In post 4950, mastina wrote:jjh dropped a surefire 100% towntell that guarantees he is town this game. But I admit: without explaining the tell, I'm not sure how to convince others that he is town. In order to explain why he's town I'd have to out the tell, but I don't want to because if I did he'd be the guaranteed nightkill tonight. (The tell is that strong.)
Mastina is undoubtedly the player with greatest awareness of my gameplay on site. I think there's maybe one thing and no more that I could put out that I don't think she'd catch that another player would
This is self serving as
fuck
.
You're damn right it is
Does this matter?
"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle
In post 4950, mastina wrote:jjh dropped a surefire 100% towntell that guarantees he is town this game. But I admit: without explaining the tell, I'm not sure how to convince others that he is town. In order to explain why he's town I'd have to out the tell, but I don't want to because if I did he'd be the guaranteed nightkill tonight. (The tell is that strong.)
Mastina is undoubtedly the player with greatest awareness of my gameplay on site. I think there's maybe one thing and no more that I could put out that I don't think she'd catch that another player would
This is self serving as
fuck
.
You're damn right it is
Does this matter?
I'm gonna let you think about that one and guess what my answer is.
Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
in spite of everything, cant shake the feeling this is coming from town
if he's the desired elim then i will coalesce as i'm not confident in reading agar, and i dont want risk disabling a scum elimination
(auro still wants him deaded...we've had dissonance on this read since d1)
Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
Xtoxm is consistently great - Shosin
you were the only wolf i townread at endgame - the worst
In post 3425, innocentvillager wrote:okapoka yells at infinity to ping Winter on discord to get Winter to move his vote, then this sequence of posts happens
In post 3024, Winter Flakes wrote:I dont really like either of those options but if lld green flips we get more info I think is she at L-1?
this came at the same time, then there was a 6 hr gap until this post:
In post 3073, Winter Flakes wrote:I popped back in because Infinity pinged me on discord after Oka asked him to?
and then he finally votes dgb
this is not how a scum hydra handles this interaction, imo
So it seems people were not convinced from my Winter argument so I will try to explain myself little more and maybe people can tell me where they disagree. The crux of the Winter TL is that:
1) Infinity didn't really try to fill Winter in on why they were pinging him, based on Winter's entrance to the thread. I believe scum!Infinity would try to at least assess the situation based on it being EOD and potentially advise Winter what the optimal course of action would be to not look scummy, or tell him to not. Infinity has been helping out the team a lot in general so I would've expected something more thorough if Winter was scum here; rather, it felt like the focus was urgency of getting Winter in-thread
2) Winter immediately just posted "I am here", when he TOTALLY could've delayed it/pretended he hadn't seen it or Infinity hadn't pinged him yet when he had made up his mind or something. This is also indicative of (1) happening.
3) Winter looked like he was genuinely trying to process what was going on in real time (more evidence of (1) being the case), and instead of committing to something or "promising to commit to a vote", he just called both wagons meh and ducked out. I don't see scum Winter doing that, I could be totally off base here but the vibe I get from Winter as a player is that he is more self-conscious of how he is perceived in thread and that whole interaction definitely did not feel self-conscious at all
can someone debunk my reasoning for winter flakes being town for my sanity? i remembered this carrying a decent amt of weight for me in my TL of him but since then he still hasn't done much so i feel less inclined to defend him now, even though it overall seems like a town!indicative interaction
I will admit that otherwise I don’t find winters posting particularly obvtowny but I also didn’t last game and it seems like he’s just busier this game too so idk
In post 3425, innocentvillager wrote:okapoka yells at infinity to ping Winter on discord to get Winter to move his vote, then this sequence of posts happens
In post 3024, Winter Flakes wrote:I dont really like either of those options but if lld green flips we get more info I think is she at L-1?
this came at the same time, then there was a 6 hr gap until this post:
In post 3073, Winter Flakes wrote:I popped back in because Infinity pinged me on discord after Oka asked him to?
and then he finally votes dgb
this is not how a scum hydra handles this interaction, imo
I like this thought-process from IV but I'm not sure I entirely agree with it. We don't know how much help he's getting from his teammates, and I'm not sure what he would necessarily do differently as scum in that position than if he were Town? Are you taking meta into account when drawing that conclusion?
As scum, saying 'I don't like either wagon but...' is about as safe and easy a thing as you could do tbh. Most players were saying the same thing, so it's easy to blend in that way.
This was his 72nd post on Mon 10:44 ET
Luca said he liked my thought process on why Winter Flakes (alt of Uncrowned) is town, posted a decent amount about other stuff, then 11.5 hours later went out of his way to explain how he disagreed with it (I don't think he actually understood my argument if you look at the response). Luca also never brings up Winter Flakes (alt of Uncrowned) after I explained my reasoning a little bit further.
Why is scum going out of their way to keep Winter Flakes an elimmable open in kind of a slimy way? Is it scum wifoming? Did he decide that the would've townread that as town then later realize that having Winter Flakes (alt of Uncrowned) as a more elimmable slot was good for them?
I want to say that this is town!indicative for Winter Flakes (alt of Uncrowned) because a) Luca went out of his way to disagree b) Luca ignored my followup/it didn't pop out to him. I would want to look for what townies are posting on my partner in his shoes especially if it's anything that can be construed as a towncase. Instead he ignored it and kept Winter in his PoE
The fact that, also, zero other people engaged on my reasoning, makes me think I'm more likely to be right on town!Winter Flakes (alt of Uncrowned), because when how many times I kept requoting this surely one of the scum would've noticed and tried to engage/have an excuse to TR their buddy Winter Flakes (alt of Uncrowned).
so are we still gonna ignore that jjh is basically refusing to even acknowledge anything i'm saying about him and is still even yet to give the smallest reason for voting me other than "o yea lol someone else did it"
