TM2021 | Anime Destroys Untrod Tripod | Endgame

[Nancy Drew 39]

what does shirou have anything to do with kn owing you in this game? that's your teammate

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This is what my issue is with Norwee, he continues to make bad arguments like Ram died because he was confitown but what about Akarin? He literally doesn’t explain that at all.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Our team were all wrong on Pine, but Pine's read on FL felt too fake until he reconsidered later. Which honestly shouldn't be much of an surprise considering he was actually townreading scum!FL for no good reason during most of the game.

Nancy, if you can't bring yourself to believe in scum!FL like in previous TM, then just look at all the evidence from my meta pointing at me being town, and after that it's PoE.

Yes because FL wasn’t that big a threat to, Pine was.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Our team were all wrong on Pine, but Pine's read on FL felt too fake until he reconsidered later. Which honestly shouldn't be much of an surprise considering he was actually townreading scum!FL for no good reason during most of the game.

Nancy, if you can't bring yourself to believe in scum!FL like in previous TM, then just look at all the evidence from my meta pointing at me being town, and after that it's PoE.

what does shirou have anything to do with kn owing you in this game? that's your teammate

[Nancy Drew 39]

what does shirou have anything to do with kn owing you in this game? that's your teammate

It's outside material. Facts that are literally impossible to manipulate because they stand outside of the boundaries of this game.

Shirou is pointing to a game versus scum!me where they literally meta cased me, and in the scum pt i admitted the case was completely on point.

Literally doesn't matter that he is my team mate in this game in this instance, Akarin/Nancy can check that game to see if Shirou's words are real, because they were town in that game.

They are saying the exact same things they said there in this game too.

Wrong post. Why should I put more stock in what your teammate says about your meta than a teammate of flipped town?

[Nancy Drew 39]

FL will claim this is WIFOM but consider these points:

1. Ico believed partially our FL case, you can go check Ico's ISO by yourself. And scum strongmanned Ico that night.

2. Pine started to consider a FL/Shea team. FL then changes his mind on Pine and hammers him before he can say more.

3. Ramcius believed it was FL/Shea team. Scum then nightkills him over conftown Akarin.

Do you really think this is some 200 IQ play from me rather than just the easier answer that FL is scum?

Shirou left btw since Nancy didn't bother answering in real time.

I thought you said Ram was confitown? Want me to look up that post?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don't mind no elim, if we going this direction

I'm not voting Pine, unless someone is going to come up clean and claim something to justify strongman

I was thinking about potential elims and how their flips would influence our future:

TSQ green flip means it's Pine and FL, Norwee is clear, it's easy win, and someone getting earful from me after game for not claiming BP or protective, I'm not buying strongman as a red herring to counter 1 shot of doc
TSQ flips red, we flip Norwee/FL, in either order, we can afford 1 miselim

Pine flips green, we have to gamble on Norwee/FL/TSQ, twice, we have no miselim left
Pine flips red, it's me and FL getting elim

FL flips green, it's Norwee/TSQ, easy win
FL flips red, TSQ/Pine I guess, we can afford miselim

Norwee flips green, TSQ/FL/Pine, again gamble twice, yes, I'm taking into consideration that someone is being smartass and hiding their real role
Norwee flips red, we flip TSQ

VOTE: TSQ

I find this as best elim we have for today, and TSQ can keep "I haven't done anything scummy" for himself, it's PoE, not scumminess contest

I make sense as norwees partner unless you think mafia literally comes into today thinking "lets hard defend each other completely and immediately lose the game if one of us ever flips"

But go off I guess about your no case no reasoning PoE with no reasons whatsoever to think I'm scum.

Does this sound like a partner post? He was clearly trying to associate himself with me.

Pine wanted Shea flipped and you jk’d. If that happened, no Misty kill if you’re buddies.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don't mind no elim, if we going this direction

I'm not voting Pine, unless someone is going to come up clean and claim something to justify strongman

I was thinking about potential elims and how their flips would influence our future:

TSQ green flip means it's Pine and FL, Norwee is clear, it's easy win, and someone getting earful from me after game for not claiming BP or protective, I'm not buying strongman as a red herring to counter 1 shot of doc
TSQ flips red, we flip Norwee/FL, in either order, we can afford 1 miselim

Pine flips green, we have to gamble on Norwee/FL/TSQ, twice, we have no miselim left
Pine flips red, it's me and FL getting elim

FL flips green, it's Norwee/TSQ, easy win
FL flips red, TSQ/Pine I guess, we can afford miselim

Norwee flips green, TSQ/FL/Pine, again gamble twice, yes, I'm taking into consideration that someone is being smartass and hiding their real role
Norwee flips red, we flip TSQ

VOTE: TSQ

I find this as best elim we have for today, and TSQ can keep "I haven't done anything scummy" for himself, it's PoE, not scumminess contest

I make sense as norwees partner unless you think mafia literally comes into today thinking "lets hard defend each other completely and immediately lose the game if one of us ever flips"

But go off I guess about your no case no reasoning PoE with no reasons whatsoever to think I'm scum.

Does this sound like a partner post? He was clearly trying to associate himself with me.

he's literally making an anti partner case in this post...

Status positioned in a way where it makes me look like the scum partner specifically because he did that type of stuff

Right because he didn’t think he was being flipped at that point. He would have been arguing the converse if he was actually buddies with you.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’m not going to talk much about Akarin since FL already crumbed heavily he will likely just kill them tonight.

this didn't happen, I guess

@Norwee?

Like I really think it’s beyond obvious he’s scum now, even Math (albeit kicking and screaming. I <3 you Math) has come around because of that hammer.

[Nancy Drew 39]

you've played solid,

I played like shit if i'm scum here. I'd have NK'd now both [Ramcius, Ico] which at some point believed that it was likely town!me or that that it was FL/Shea by the end.

The unique argument here is that it's WIFOM, it simply doesn't make sense for me to NK them for reasons other than WIFOM. But i think it's pretty obvious from my meta i rarely if ever do the WIFOM game.

You had to tr FL in order to push Pine because no one was buying a Pine/FL team.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ramcius is the worst kill i could ever make if i'm scum and it's a blatantly scummy stance from you to say otherwise lmao.

I disagree. He was most likely going to push you and you know it.

You also actively set me up with the "Oh FL gonna kill Akarin" then you actively kill elsewhere.

You couldn't kill Nancy because she's the most likely to hear everything you have to say out

But that’s only because people vastly underestimate me. In our versus game, I was far more focused on hiding being a mason than finding scum. I usually have much better reads, like in this game.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ramcius was the unique person to believe in FL/TSQ rather than me/TSQ by yesterday end, and what a surprise, he dies. And now you say it was not a bad kill from us.
If people wanna lose to this scummy argument from FL then be my guest.

And yet, he acts like there's no reason he would ever say in game "FL gonna kill Akarin" then he kills Ramcius


@Nancy/Akarin - Please come end this

I’m already voting Norwee. Only Akarin can end this, which is probably the real reason Ram was killed > her because it gives scum more time. Scum knows Akarin has been AfK most of this game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

what does shirou have anything to do with kn owing you in this game? that's your teammate

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This is what my issue is with Norwee, he continues to make bad arguments like Ram died because he was confitown but what about Akarin? He literally doesn’t explain that at all.

FL is the one who made the bad argument about Ram being killed, i didn't. The real reason Ram was killed is because Ram would be voting FL here and FL is now playing the WIFOM game as he always does.

[NorwegianboyEE]

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Pine was hammered by FL because Pine was literally just starting to push scum!FL, and FL hammered to shut him up before the case. FL keeps saying he waited hours for the case like that excuses him, as though it was Pine's fault for not posting the case in time, when in fact he hammered the second he thought he could get away with it.
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Ram has been killed when he was literally speculating that scum!FL would want to kill him more than Aka or Nancy because Ram would be voting FL here. FL is pretending this is not the case and it is verifiably false.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nancy, let's start with the exact reasons Shirou did strongly believe i was scum in that game according to them:

I didn't have real reads.
I wasn't pushing anyone.
I was waiting consensus before doing something.
I believed Shirou was "scum" but was still not fighting in-thread to oppose him.

Compared to this game, how exactly do you think this matches my play here? You can go back and read that game if you doubt Shirou's alignment and therefore their words, those were roughly the exact reasons Shirou did suspect me in that game.

Somewhere during the middle of D1, Sihrou noticed i wasn't actually trying to solve the game, i was merely being a tourist, and when Shirou engaged with me on that i was still lackluster.

I am in the top 3 posters in this game, and my posts here are longer than yours/FL, so technically i'm the most active voice. How does that match ANY scum game from me that you can find in my history?

Dann - teammate of flipped town - disagrees.

Dannflor has never correctly read me in a game and we've only had like 1 or 2 games together a long time ago.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It's clear you're not even truly considering the arguments behind what i say Nancy, in which case the loss of this game is not my fault.
I've done all i can to convince you to the obvious truth, that FL is scum here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You're not actually considering the points i've made but just shifting them in a way to make what you already believe to be the truth become the truth, when reality doesn't work that way.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I hope that whatever ends up happening you'll learn a valuable lesson about not trusting FL, he even tried to push you earlier but gave up once you pushed back hard on it and became very suspicious. Now he's done all he can to sweet talk you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nancy, let's start with the exact reasons Shirou did strongly believe i was scum in that game according to them:

I didn't have real reads.
I wasn't pushing anyone.
I was waiting consensus before doing something.
I believed Shirou was "scum" but was still not fighting in-thread to oppose him.

Compared to this game, how exactly do you think this matches my play here? You can go back and read that game if you doubt Shirou's alignment and therefore their words, those were roughly the exact reasons Shirou did suspect me in that game.

Somewhere during the middle of D1, Sihrou noticed i wasn't actually trying to solve the game, i was merely being a tourist, and when Shirou engaged with me on that i was still lackluster.

I am in the top 3 posters in this game, and my posts here are longer than yours/FL, so technically i'm the most active voice. How does that match ANY scum game from me that you can find in my history?

Dann - teammate of flipped town - disagrees.

What kind of shitty reply is this anyway? Oh lo and behold all of these facts you can easily check up to be valid, but because one single player that can't read me for shit thought i might be scum about 200 pages ago (before Pine started considering a TSQ/FL team) that's somehow supposed to disprove what i said? Are you for real Nancy?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Meanwhile FL:

I don't play like this as scum!! xD xD xD

[NorwegianboyEE]

If i was scum in this game i would have been gone AFK long time ago, i absolutely despise this game and most of the slots in it. I will never play with FL again because he makes every game a chore to play, Nancy is just too gullible and can be easily convinced by shit arguments and populism/pocket. Pine barely treated me like a human most of the game, just telling me to shut up. TSQ ironically was one of the nicer slots and he was scum. Misty kept wasting our time by dragging their vote and being indecisive. There was almost no anime to speak of.

[PenguinPower]

Votecount 5.03

NorwegianboyEE(1)

~ Nancy Drew 39(24)

Flavor Leaf(1)

~ NorwegianboyEE(38)

Not Voting (2): Flavor Leaf(44), Akarin(0)

With 4 alive it takes 3 to eliminate.

Day 5 deadline is in (expired on 2021-03-17 09:15:00)

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[Nancy Drew 39]

@Norwee, I really like you as a person and someone to play with but none of those things are going to affect my read on you. I understand you’re extremely upset with me and I really feel for you but none of that has any affect on my read on you. Sorry.

I brought up Dann because the teammate of a flipped player’s reads > your own teammates’ reads.

[Flavor Leaf]

Lol, this has not been me sweet talking Nancy, Nancy has seen me use sweet talk before

[Flavor Leaf]

Also that’s a misrep.

Ramcius was more contemplating if I would kill Nancy or Akarin, and then included himself at the end for completionist’s sake.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’m actually extremely good at getting inside people’s heads and analyzing their motivations. That’s how I knew with such confidence that Ydrasse did a failed vig on my slot before she ever admitted it. You just connect the dots and Norwee doesn’t seem to understand why for example, Shea self-hammering approximately 20 minutes after you call on me to vote and end the day, really makes no sense if you and Shea are buddies. My guess was, the timing of that self-hammer was done to make you look bad, probably ditto the Ram NK but to pull off this brilliant kind of scum gambit, Norwee would need to convincingly play the part of town having very clearly town indicative reactions and drawing town indicative conclusions but he consistently fails at replicating the necessary townie mindset necessary to pull this off, which extremely few scum players are capable of.

Like in his responding to my question about why Ram was the NK, he says because he’s confitown but that’s even more obviously true for Akarin. He later gives a much better response by saying how it benefited you but it’s also the sheer amount of contradictions in his narrative that give him away, like saying you crumbed Akarin NK, then never ever explaining it only to just conveniently drop that narrative altogether.

This is how for example sheep scumtold in a game I played with him by making continuous contradictions in his thought progression/narrative. Town almost never does this because a genuine townie thought process remains consistent even if wrong. Norwee obviously has done a far superior job of this but spotting massive contradictions in one’s thought process is something I tend to excel at spotting and in order for Norwee to be able to successfully fool me here, he’d have to both figure out a way of not doing that plus much better optics. Like you can’t be gunning for town!jk’s elim since pretty much D2, join with Shea in pushing me to vote Zor etc., especially when you have someone like jjh who apparently isn’t shit at detecting fake claims, which both Norwee and Shea used to hardpush Pine miselim.

As for Norwee playing differently than his typical scum meta, well he relied heavily on being coached obviously, because abour approximately well over two thirds of his posts involve paraphrasing either Shirou or jjh, which he’d obviously not do in a non team mafia setup.