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[Hopkirk]

Luca wagon makes me feel like scum were pushing it because Bell was also scum though

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Vote Count 3.13

Bell

(6): Xtoxm, Hopkirk, Titus, mastina, Almost50, jjh927

mastina

(3): AGar, Bell, OkaPoka

Titus

(2): Cephrir, innocentvillager

jjh927

(1): Winter Flakes

Not Voting

(1): Ythan

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to eliminate. Deadline is set for 1:00 AM PST on March 9, in (expired on 2021-03-09 05:00:00).

[Hopkirk]

i'm not going to be around for deadline, i'll be somewhat available till like 12 GMT tonight and i'll try and check up on things in the morning when i wake up before i start work.
i think i'm only really good with agar or bell here

[Cephrir]

I'm starting to get paranoia on my reads because today the lack of opposition to the bell & agar wagons from anyone except bell/agar/Oka doesn't make sense unless it's literally just (bell/agar/oka) but it seems so weird they're all hard pushing Mastina as the dueling/counter wagon to both Bell/Agar and that hasn't changed the entire day despite nobody else joining it and them pushing it in response to both the Agar wagon and the Bell wagon

excuse u i'm opposing them

Ceph what are you reads looking like

{Xtoxm > Ythan, A50}
{IV, AGar, Hopkirk, Oka}
{Bell}
{mastina, WF}
{jjh, Titus}

Luca wagon makes me feel like scum were pushing it because Bell was also scum though

i think they would have pushed bell over luca in that case.

[OkaPoka]

intent to hammer i guess

[OkaPoka]

(expired on 2021-03-09 01:02:03)

[Cephrir]

intent to shrug and sigh

[Hopkirk]

do you think Mastina/Titus are every aligned here?

what's your Titus case look like?

[Hopkirk]

intent to hammer i guess

why?
do you expect it to flip scum

[Hopkirk]

you've been pushing Mastina with him the entire day

[OkaPoka]

look at the deadline dude

[Hopkirk]

But you scumread Titus?

[Cephrir]

do you think Mastina/Titus are every aligned here?

yes, i find mastina's read flip suspicious

[OkaPoka]

i don't townread her

[Cephrir]

dann went down suspecting titus. dunn went down targeting jjh. i independently scumread both titus and jjh.

VOTE: titus.

see that bit about titus voting with bell in dann's post? she's been paying attention to that comment. she's been putting more weak vca-esque stuff in the thread and has actively refused to vote with IV now that it's been pointed out she would care about that if she were town.

@Ceph: Who's not attempting to solve?

"either of you" here meaning titus/jjh.

i think mastina's reads-from-mars on both of these players are fairly likely to be her trying to protect one or more buddies, frankly. she had all her eggs in luca and it went down so she just magically flipped them to the top of her readlist because of ~reasons~

also: titus has zero life in her posts this game. i pulled up some random completed game and in even a brief glance at her iso thought she had opinions, pushed things, cared. she was town. this game appears to be a chore to her. why?

she's struggling to post at all here, right? she's succeeding in posting elsewhere.

you think mastina is a townbeard while she's defneding you and pushing agar/bell who you seem to agree are scum????????

am i totally misunderstanding what that term means or something

i'm never confident! but if you want a thing, you gotta fake it a little

i just feel like she only does anything when prodded into usefulness and what she does post has about as much oomph behind it as a wet noodle

also yknow, the other 2/3 people i want to kill are softing a role, so

i took a slow approach to titus because i know that i often have difficulty reading her and i wanted to try and be on the same page as her for once in my life i guess.

ill be honest im not strongly factoring in that cross bussing thing right now. i just dont see town in her play. i did read luca's iso and nothing in it made me think titus couldn't be scum but i haven't seriously examined her side of it

i'm not big on cases -- i'll assemble one once in a blue moon if i'm extremely certain -- but this is probably the closest i've gotten to posting one this game

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: titus

still going to hammer bell when the timer expires i think

anyways gtg

[Hopkirk]

I'm a little weirded out that you voted Titus right after I started implying that I thought it was weird you weren't voting titus, but scum you if aligned with Bell/Agar probably tries to switch

[Hopkirk]

I thought the flip on Titus made Mastina townier, what didn't you like about it Ceph?

Also how come you didn't vote Mastina at any point given you have her as a SR when she's been the second biggest wagon for most of the day?

[Cephrir]

I thought the flip on Titus made Mastina townier, what didn't you like about it Ceph?

Also how come you didn't vote Mastina at any point given you have her as a SR when she's been the second biggest wagon for most of the day?

i guess it just seemed convenient to me. idk.

because i expect her to claim mason and i am willing to deal with that tomorrow

[Bell]

VOTE: Titus

[Titus]

I feel like this game is largely PoEd.

The first 5 voters on Bell are all town. If Bell is scum, they refused to bus. If Bell is town, they sat on their hands, hoping town turns on each other.

I won't be able to do a VCA by deadline but it would be fair to expect it tomorrow if I am not vigged.

[mastina]

I'm starting to get paranoia on my reads because today the lack of opposition to the bell & agar wagons from anyone except bell/agar/Oka doesn't make sense unless it's literally just (bell/agar/oka) but it seems so weird they're all hard pushing Mastina as the dueling/counter wagon to both Bell/Agar and that hasn't changed the entire day despite nobody else joining it and them pushing it in response to both the Agar wagon and the Bell wagon

I mean.

If the scumteam IS exactly Bell/AGar/Oka, the team I've pushed since D2.

Then they're not able to get allies.

They tried to wagon Hopkirk--Hopkirk is off-limits for today due to having a Neapolitan investigation on them, the result of a (inherently town due to Normal rules) Universal Backup inheriting Dannflor's power role.
They tried to wagon jjh--jjh is off-limits today because I promise you that he is conftown here and I will show exactly why on D4.
They tried to wagon me--in part to try and force me to out why I know jjh is town (I'm not going to tho), but also in part because their efforts on the previous two failed due to mechanical results.

The only wagons that they have available to them outside of those three are {Winter Flakes, Titus}. Because Cephrir is their greatest ally right now on top of being obvtown, IV is a potential ally on top of being obvtown, Xtoxm is obviously town (albeit not an ally), Ythan is considered universally townread and is a wildcard, and Almost50 is mechanically town.

And of those two, Winter Flakes is by and large, mostly being their ally.

And Titus? Titus actually HAS been wagoned.

(Not to mention the fact that if any of the three in that group aren't scum, that one of the two in the above is the third scumbuddy anyway so if the group of three isn't all scum, then wagoning one of the two is potentially bussing.)

[mastina]

(For the record: I fully expect the scumteam to be very salty. They bussed Luca and thought they'd be discrediting town that'd make those town players easy mislynches and that they'd get huge amounts of towncred and be thought of as town for it. But the simple fact of the matter is, they bussed rather than pushing for an elimination on town, and thanks to the town's remaining roles, their preferred elimination targets that they bussed Luca to make look bad are off the table, putting them in a bad spot. But that's their fault for bussing so I've zero sympathy for them. )

[mastina]

Because Cephrir is their greatest ally right now on top of being obvtown

For the record--this is why I think the Titus wagon isn't taking off.

If the scum wagon Titus and she flips town, and then tomorrow comes and I drop the bombshell, what do you think it does to Ceph? He'll know he was wrong on Titus and jjh.

Scum can't stop the latter (tho they can try to force it out a day early because they desperately need the info that I am withholding), but they CAN stop the former.

Granted, it's fully possible the reason the Titus wagon isn't taking off is because she's scum and scum don't want to bus a second time, I'll give you that.

But I happen to think she's town, albeit only very weakly so.

Regardless tho, I think that those two work as an explanation for why the Titus wagon isn't taking off:
If Titus is scum, the wagon isn't taking off because scum don't want to bus her.
If Titus is town, the wagon isn't taking off because if Titus flipped town, Cephrir one of their main allies would realize he's on the wrong track entirely and be forced to reevaluate. As long as Titus is alive and uncleared, Cephrir will still think he's right in his suspicion there.

[Cephrir]

@mod

can u prod ythan if u havent already thanks

this is weird time for the thread to be a fucking ghost town.