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[Farkran]

farkran i feel like you're trying not to udnerstand me almost

trust me i am

but i can't, and i get the same feeling about you not trying to understand me

listen to this:

EVEN IF you believe menalque is town

EVEN IF you believe there is scum on his wagon

EVEN IF lucy is wrong on you trying to pocket menalque

HOW is lucy scummy by unvoting town!mena to go on a crusade against town!you?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and dont say you dont notice lucy buddying/defending me when some of her responses to me have explicitly been at you directly like seriously how do you even think scum me pushes her at this point unless I actually think she might be scum here

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

fark is just scum here

[skitter30]

Right you're also somewhat scumreading pooky, no? More scumpoinys then

So many bad faith arguments here, i know who Lucy’s main now btw. Do you?
Because i really don’t see scum!them based on what i know of their play.

again, missing a lot of context ...
isis has never misread pooky as far as i know
i believe pooky is town here
i thought she was saying she scumread pooky, which woudl be a massive red flag in that context

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I mean your vote on lucy is probably the worst take in the entire game so far and i think you should see that? I would think you'd have reconsidered by now but the fact you aren't sounds like you are grasping at straws rn

what a ridiculous take

[skitter30]

that makes no sense unless you think skitter and mena are scum together?

I think both should be destroyed at this point.

If Mena town, Skitter will be destructive and likely scum benefitting from their flip.

If both scum the survivor can argue they are confirmed town now.
If Mena scum and Skitt!town then Skitter is just playing anti-town anyway.

- you're ignoring tvt which is what i believe we are
- you're also arguing that i'm benefiting from his flip when i'm sitting telling you lot not to do that

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

These slots are very likely town:
Luca Blight
Farkran
LegoLucy
Day

Town ish?:
Something_Smart
PenguinPower
Ydrasse
Alisae

Meh:
Chara
PookyTheMagicalBear

Scummy:
skitter30
Menalque

norwee

bookmark this post

at the end of this game

come back and stare at it for at least 10 minutes

become a better player.

[Farkran]

and what r u even talking about

why would scum pooky be voting/pushing town lucy when lucy has been one of the slots defending/buddying me the hardest from d1?


your takes are ridiculously bad right now farkran.

only increasing my conviction you are scum at this point.

Your opinions are so loaded at this point that i'm not even sure you're reading my posts when replying to me

like literally the only reason i'm not voting you is because nobody else would join me

to be *extremely* clear and transparent: you're scummier than skitter, i take back my promise because it was bullshit in the first place, and i'd be amazed if you didn't flip scum here.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i cant believe any town player could even remotely think im scum here

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

rofl if i wasnt reading your posts how would I be responding to them?

[Luca Blight]

fark is just scum here

I really disagree, Farkran's thoughts on this reflect my own

But I'm starting to think Skitter might be Town as well

[Farkran]

perhaps i didn't make myself clear enough:

HOW is lucy scummy by unvoting town!mena WHICH SHE HAD JUST PUT TO E-1 LIKE THREE POSTS EARLIER to go on a crusade against town!SKITTER?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

taking credit for wking town while pushing a useless wagon on lucy?

I mean your vote on lucy is probably the worst take in the entire game so far and i think you should see that? I would think you'd have reconsidered by now but the fact you aren't sounds like you are grasping at straws rn

how is the wagon on lucy useless

it is literally a leading wagon on VC and possibly going thru

the goal of WKing is to get better post flip positioning. its not meant to save a mis elim for the town

she literally saved mena. your take is absolutely absurd.

[Farkran]

thats a fair point

VOTE: lucy

There is one thing on which pooky is correct though

skitter's take isn't the worst one.

This vote on lucy is LITERALLY TERRYIFING.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

perhaps i didn't make myself clear enough:

HOW is lucy scummy by unvoting town!mena WHICH SHE HAD JUST PUT TO E-1 LIKE THREE POSTS EARLIER to go on a crusade against town!SKITTER?

luca had already unvoted mena from e 1

momentum had already shifted

dont tell me you are this bad at reading game state flow

you are not

you are being purposefully dense because you are scum

[skitter30]

why would skitter scum pump the brakes on a mena town miselim that is lookjng likely to go thru? this table is stacked af - there is not a single lhf. you think scum will fight agajnst a miselim on town that hard?

Ok, can you show me examples of Skitter/Mena playing like this as town and not as scum?

Spoiler:

Subject: Open 798 | PYPX/Y+I/M | Game Over!

"I say notes

Here’s a readslist

skitt (obligatory TR)
S_S — strong town
PP, dave, hoopla — town
petapan, uncrowned — town lean/town with reservations
Pine — true neutral
DGB, dunn, TGP — nullscum
JV — scumlean
lil — scum
Infinity — obvscum

Update:

Dave looking a little worse for sheeping onto DGB, unless DGB is, in fact, scum

DGB looking fucking awful for the lilith push but skitt’s right that it could totally be bussing.

If both of DGB and lil are town then skitter is probably scum with infinity

S_S could be scum with lilith maybe

Uncrowned is notably townier than I had him before

Hoopla still town and idk if I get the wagon there

JV maybe is town actually? Idk. I probably shouldn’t be reading alignment too hard from this, but his apology to uncrowned specifically for not playing harder seems less likely to come from scum while not under pressure

Mostly I just want a flip, DGB or infinity would both be fine

JV is actually surprisingly high posting for saying he’s disengaged, idk if that says anything AI but it pings me as interesting to say the least"

Subject: Newbie 2020 [Game Over!]

I will be treating skitter as town until proven otherwise but also independently you're lightly town to me, skitt

Subject: Open 781: JK9++ Game Over!

Okay everyone, here are my reads so far:

Locktown
Turkey — idk, I just think this is consistent with his standard level of effort at this point of the game and it’s a big meta towntell
skitter30 — town until proven otherwise is the standard approach, and it’s a good one

Prob town
Bingleboi — i think scum!bingle would be more excited and have already posted by now
MariaR — i always seem to townread Maria when she’s scum and scumread her when she’s town. This game I don’t have strong vibes from her yet, which is making me think she’s more likely town. Plus she has to eventually be town again in a game I’m in
Something_Smart — a tricksy one, kind of similar to Maria. Him being reasonable doesn’t indicate anything that strongly yet, but I’d say this okay is more in line with his town meta. Plus I doubt I catch scum him on D1, so he gets a pass

Null
lilith2013 — no experience with her, she stays here
Pure Boi — someone i always struggle to read because our never ending story tends to prevent me from ever thinking he’s scum. Trying to be objective about him this game because if I lockscum him from the start I’ll feel guilty and move him to town within 24 hrs even if he’s really scum
PP — king of GIFs and pagetops, but otherwise an unknown quantity. Nothing AI from him at this point

Scumlean
Chemist1422 — idk, I don’t think chem is tryharding yet and that’s a strong towntell for him. Should maybe be in null but I feel better about the other people there and he’s in the region
Firebringer — I think starting off scumreading him is the best approach. He has a towntell he hasn’t done yet

Scum
Blake Belladonna — playing it smart so far, doesn’t feel natural to me. She’s hard to catch but if I’m right she might be a good lynch today before she gets more dangerous later on
Datisi — lockscum, nothing in her posting says town!dats so far and I have 100% accurate history of reading her if we exempt the games where I was wrong

his side of htis ^ and i can find many more examples if necessary
i don't usually get to a townread this early on him but i did and now i'm going to protest loudly if you lot try to flip him

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

thats a fair point

VOTE: lucy

There is one thing on which pooky is correct though

skitter's take isn't the worst one.

This vote on lucy is LITERALLY TERRYIFING.

yea it makes a lot of sense for scum pooky to vote for the town slot hard buddying him from day 1

real genius take here fark

dont tell me your town play is actually this bad

i dont believe it

[skitter30]

It could just be Skitter defending their partner too.

.....

[skitter30]

"I don't think he's flipping scum here" isn't firm language to me

isis. this. is. how. i. write.

are you really trying to argue that my posting style, which ahs been well-established for like 3+ years is scummy now?

......

i, once agian, can bring several examples of such langauge being literally nai

[Farkran]

I was reading to the present times I also like VOTE: Menalque

Menalque needs one more vote to receive vacation

Is the wagon E1?

I’m just gonna unvote here as I’m still VLA and don’t want the day to end yet regardless

UNVOTE:

oh my god

lucy placing mena at e-1 was one of the reason skit scumread her for

and you're calling me bad because i can't read the gamestate.

[skitter30]

i doubt mena would be this demotivated if he were scum with skitter

also i doubt she would even bother hard defending him and then they vote lucy together as scum together


norwee ask yourself which world is better for scum skitter


lucy votes mena puts him at e1
skitter says nothing
ali logs in high and hammers mena
mena flips town

or

lucy votes mena e-1
skitter comes in hard defends mena and drives on lucy
mena wagon deflates
lucy gets elimmed with skitter driving wagon
lucy flips town

also this .
this is literally never how i play this as scum with mena as either alignment and all of hte people currently scumreading me for this seem to be ignoring this point.

nor. luca. farkfran. explain to what the fuck i'm doing here if i'm scum with or without mena.
both universes please

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

she was pushing him dead there

thats what that sentence means

luca unvoting for reconsideration kills the quick elimination odds on that slot dead

[Luca Blight]

Skitter I actually think you're probably Town atm

[skitter30]

Let's say that i believe she's sincere when talking about mena (regardless of correctness) -> how does that translate into voting lucy. This is a stance i didn't like at all. I read her case about lucy and i don't think it's valid. The way i read lucy's 1800 is that lucy doesn't want people to vanity vote and within the current gamestate i feel that she's correct, almost the whole active plist (including mena lol) was townreading lucy, for good reason if you ask me, and skitter's treating her like lucy scumslipped into some bad push when lucy has been on menalque since forever.

The way skit tried to divert attention from menalque sounds like too safe a choice because lucy is never the elim today and skit should know that

Scum!skit does wk town!mena here, she's done that with me in our newbie game together

But once again, this means skit/mena are disaligned and i'm getting confused.

- becaues her vote on mena is awful
- why is scum-me diverting onto someone who i know is nevere going to get flipped again? none of you are explaining why i'd even do that, just calling me scummy for it. like what does it mean for it to be a 'safe' choice, it's a dumb af choice
- again, why is more likely taht i'm wk'ing him over just thinking he's town, once agian none of you lot are explaining that part
- why the fuck do i sit here white knighting him instead of just letting him get misflipped ...
- literally none of this makes sense as a coherent accusation. why am i doing any of this ....

[skitter30]

Skitter I actually think you're probably Town atm

i mean i'm not surprised but odn't worry, i'm still going to go through and finish up and explain exactly how and why i think all of this is ridiculous