Mini Normal 2200 | Game Over

[PenguinPower]

isn't it fairly common for a roleblocker to exist in a mini normal?

Seems so more recently...

themilkcartonkid, Town Odd-night Disloyal Roleblocker

Hmmm...oh i was in that game.

[skitter30]

but like what are the odds the nonconsec disloyal rb actually gets guilties ...
like are we saying that that's important enuf that we keep alive him for?

[LegoLucy]

Pooky, I'm on mobile but your case in 2908 goes very different from how I selfdescribe playing scum. I emulate my townread and play to get townread. Do you disbelieve my self characterization of think it fits anyway. ? I'm curious which

I think you and I both enjoy getting our hands dirty and the thrill of killing townies when we play the red alignment.

Most people do not like getting their hands dirty, they are worried about being caught.

I don't really enjoy mislimming people. Except hectic

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i remember you were giggling like a schoolgirl when you lol-hammered that poor townie in the game me/sirus were modding :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and afterwards you were all like woooooops lolol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

but like what are the odds the nonconsec disloyal rb actually gets guilties ...
like are we saying that that's important enuf that we keep alive him for?

it's about (1/11) tonight so roughly 9% ?

If he has like 5 accurate town reads its (1/6) or 16.6%

[LegoLucy]

It's probably mechanically correct play to lim Hectic ftr. It's gray enough to weigh against reads for sure but normals have busted stuff, it's close enough to the principle of flip claimed VT

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

isn't it fairly common for a roleblocker to exist in a mini normal?

Seems so more recently...

themilkcartonkid, Town Odd-night Disloyal Roleblocker

Hmmm...oh i was in that game.

yea exactly so like for him to fake-claim that as scum, wouldn't he have to be like informed there are no town roleblockers? or else he just gets counterclaimed no?

[Farkran]

My theory was that Day mentioned a crumb in the scum pt and Norwee forgot it wasn’t mentioned in the game

I do think Norwee/Day makes sense regardless

I think you're wrong here, but i'm open to hear your reasoning

Wrt day though i don't think it count as a crumb but that not's the point - scum!day has little reason to fakeclaim that role so it's probably true. Maybe scum!day makes up the disloyal part, but everything else is very likely part of his true role

I don't think this is scum!day though and norwee is still town to me, tell me why i am wrong

ig i'm kinda ambivalent about the claim being true or not but you seem to be implying that because it's true he's town? i'm not following that part

I think Day trueclaimed and it makes much more sense that he's town with that claim

[LegoLucy]

Mechanically correct maybe isn't the right word. The hardxlears when two scum are dead is great but scum agency in whether to kill him is nasty

[LegoLucy]

Also that's only discussing it in the sense of like, no knowledge of fakeclaim dynamics/credibilt. Basically I mean if hectic is 3/13scum and public rolecop says "he is a disloyal roleblocker if he is town" you lim that if everyone else is unclaimed 3/13 scum

[PenguinPower]

Grrr - i can’t find an example of opposite alignment roleblockers....probably because the interactions could suck.

[PenguinPower]

UNVOTE:

[PenguinPower]

But - informed is an ability

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok so how likely do you think the scum are informed that there's no roleblockers in this setup?

[Something_Smart]

isn't it fairly common for a roleblocker to exist in a mini normal?

Town roleblocker is fairly uncommon in my experience. Jailkeeper is more common, but JK and RB can coexist so it's not a hard counterclaim.

[Farkran]

But - informed is an ability

Does informed include details though?

I assumed you would only learn stuff like "you know there is a roleblocker", not a 9-shot odd non-consecutive disloyal imperative suburban roleblocker of eternal destruction

[PenguinPower]

I mean - as likely as there is an informed role in the game?

[PenguinPower]

But - informed is an ability

Does informed include details though?

I assumed you would only learn stuff like "you know there is a roleblocker", not a 9-shot odd non-consecutive disloyal imperative suburban roleblocker of eternal destruction

You could know that “there is no roleblocker in this game” and then be free to fake claim it.

[PenguinPower]

Further - you could be informed that there are no roleblockers or rolecops and then fake claim and ask to be rolecopped.

[skitter30]

ok so how likely do you think the scum are informed that there's no roleblockers in this setup?

also: there was a spate of games where like every scumteam was informed, it was really, really, really popular like a year back
so this wouldn't inherently surprise me

not sure if iv knows this meta tho

[skitter30]

I assumed you would only learn stuff like "you know there is a roleblocker", not a 9-shot odd non-consecutive disloyal imperative suburban roleblocker of eternal destruction

i'm p sure i've seen games more of hte latter form

[Farkran]

Ah, nvm that makes sense

It's still quite a spicy claim to make imo, the disloyal part looks like overkill for a fakeclaim? I mean out of all the modifiers you could add to a made up role i don't think you would pick that

[PenguinPower]

It is a spicy claim. I’m confident Day and co. could come up with it.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think there's no reason not to let hectic get a chance to maybe get us a guilty or two

we can always BoP elim him on like D3/4 if he misses 2/3 times.