Titus v Nancy Drew (Game Over)

[Starcrossed]

Targetted olaf yesterday, message succeeded. Today is a work in progress, more info on that later

*flops ears*


Kanna says she put a present in 5653 for you.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Morty and Rick has died. They were a

Vanilla Townie

Sherlock and Watson has died. They were a

1-shot Dayvig

Morty and Rick were supposed to be protected.

Scum has a dayvig??? Dafuq? Whomever shot Krazy, you have my utmost gratitude.

I'm deeply confused because I submitted a rolestop on M&R,

but Gamma had claimed down to even-night so who fuckin knows

I'm also hella busy with RL this morning and 193 pages is not an easy catchup so bear with me y'all

What did you mean by this part,

KidAmn

?

Yeah that post was hella strange considering that was an even night but I’m sure at least one - possibly two scum? - amongst the vt claims, so unless anyone thinks we already have too much town power when compared with a scum rolecop, 1 shot dayvig, scum bus driver + goon? And of course don’t forget how town vanillaizer could have potentially totally fucked us combined with scum bus driver too.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Batsunami
Fey
Clidd
Morty and Rick
Red Eye Knights
Toogeloo
ItalianoVD
Saudade
Gamma Emerald
Starcrossed
SaraharaS
Dunnstral
Sherlock and Watson
5uffering
War and Peace

5uffering - My read on him depends a lot on his main which is a little frustrating
Starcrossed - Kanna is towny and Pooky is scummy
Dunnstral - Takes are fine, but the shift in tone is bothering me. I'm used to him being harsher as town

Usually the first full readslist I put out in a game is the most accurate so maybe I should sheep my past self

Koba/5uffering/Charlie & Snoppy flipped vanilla cop but yeah you got 2/3 with S & W + W & P obviously.

[Nancy Drew 39]

If I'm forgetting something mechanical that makes someone more likely to be town or not, don't forget to remind me, by the way.

Fey has never played like this as scum + if she is scum, that means they both possess the nightskipper and the dayvig (plus the bus driver and the role cop), which would be insanity.

@morning where did you get the impression that I'm suspecting Sarah pretty hard?

it's like one of your three posts on the previous day, and the longest and most substancial one

Caught up.

Sarah's "you think I'm scum instead of town with good reads? Are you actually serious right now?" feels like she doesn't understand how her play has been very underwhelming. Having good(ish) reads is not enough and it's even bad if your thread presence is not what it should be. I also think and have thought since I repped in that the whole "Nancy we're V I B I N G" thing was a pocket attempt and Sarah probably thought that following consensus and pocketing Nancy was enough.

That being said, I think it's weird that the first thing we do today is check who was bussing WP instead of looking who was outside the wagon. WP's wagon stagnated. Since D1 it has been stagnating. Scum didn't want to get rid of that slot, and there was still a chance to derail the wagon.

I don't know where I want to go. I have far too many ideas right now, none of them convinces me. I still have this feeling that Battle Mage's wagon was formed because of his scumread on Pyro. Anyway, I'm not concerned. Even if the consensus scumreads concern me, the consensus townreads are better. People realizing that Dunn is town is good.

I dont think i meant consistently throughout the game, i meant more recently on the previous day -- both you and clidd suspected her there. while you still have kid and her both in consideration, clidd seems more certain on just sara

so many seem to think Kid/Gamma is possible..

Going off the assumption that Kid and Dunn aren't scum together, how did Gamma know to claim even-night to mesh with Dunn's role? Also, i feel like you can't very well fakeclaim rolestopper on d1(2) without expecting it to get tested at some point down the line, so.. surely Gamma/Kid has some ability to rolestop? Bus driving wouldn't accomplish the same thing, i don't think. And if Gamma/Kid does have the ability to rolestop, then the scumteam is ridiculous again

Gamma was obviously telling the truth about the even night. If - which I’m extremely concvinced of - at least one scum amonst the vt claims, the even night thing is probably accurate.

[Morning Tweet]

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*flops ears*

Kanna says she put a present in 5653 for you.

this made my night ty

I think bottom line also with Kid, i don't understand how they would know to claim Even-Night to corroborate with Dunn's role (in Kid!Scum Dunn!town situation). Unless they are really Even-Night rolestopper which again just like.. can we give really give scum a rolecop + busdriver + dayvig + rolestopper with the only protective in existence being odd-night doctor?

pedit: It's an impossibility for the VT claims to all be true i believe

I agree the even night thing has to have not been faked yea

[Nancy Drew 39]

*flops ears*

Hi Tweetie :3

I like a Sarah/Kidam scumteam for the final 2 baddies.

I should talk to Kanna some more about this game :>

Ircher whiteknighted Gamma in response to Pyro’s question, so definitely could see that.

So is the solve you think then + scum amongst the PR claims - probably bus driver + one amongst the vt claims - probably goon?

And you guys need to claim today. Don’t think I’ve forgotten about that. I’m just slightly less concerned about you guys because of Kanna’s posting, particularly near EoD wrt Toog. I’d be putting way more pressure on your slot, if you were playing solo.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Morty and Rick has died. They were a

Vanilla Townie

Sherlock and Watson has died. They were a

1-shot Dayvig

Morty and Rick were supposed to be protected.

Scum has a dayvig??? Dafuq? Whomever shot Krazy, you have my utmost gratitude.

I'm deeply confused because I submitted a rolestop on M&R,

but Gamma had claimed down to even-night so who fuckin knows

I'm also hella busy with RL this morning and 193 pages is not an easy catchup so bear with me y'all

What did you mean by this part,

KidAmn

?

I meant that Gamma had claimed all of our role, including the restriction, so it was public knowledge and scum could play around it with their own roleblocker/strongman/whatever.

Scum very obviously have a bus driver, that’s why Koba’s dead.

[Nancy Drew 39]

If you need me to spell out why "I rolestopped this person last night and they still ended up dead" was confusing I don't know what more I can say pal

Who did you RS last night?

[Nancy Drew 39]

how did Gamma know to claim even-night to mesh with Dunn's role?

Basically, this

The even night part was obviously 100% true regardless of KidAmn’s actual alignment.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Starcrossed should really claim at this point, I think, for my own sanity (and Pyro's, too).

If I can stop sussing them by virtue of their claim, I'd love that. Seriously.

@Pooky are you a good or a bad bear in this game?

[Morning Tweet]

Are there arguments for clidd being town outside of Sherlock's push on him? Cause i do find it plausible that it was a gambit where clidd either doesnt end up dying :OR: it gives 1-shot dayvig deepwolf sherlock credibility at worst.

And clidd could very well be the goon

The even night part was obviously 100% true regardless of KidAmn’s actual alignment.

Shouldn't the rolestopper part also be true since rolestopper is a confirmable role? if fake, we were/are going to test it out and discover them for the lie down the line

[Nancy Drew 39]

Lol. Ok, changed bet. 5 bucks Nancy stops Starcrossed from real claiming.

I’ll double that and raise you another that he posts an Michael Jackson Man in the Mirror video. lmfaoooooo

[Nancy Drew 39]

Targetted olaf yesterday, message succeeded. Today is a work in progress, more info on that later

Can you elaborate more on this, please?

[Morning Tweet]

Yeah last night's message will be elaborated on today

[Morning Tweet]

in a few

[Nancy Drew 39]

Vanilla Cop (Kinda bad)
Messenger (basically useless)
1-shot nightskipper (only exists to counteract 1-shot dayvig scum)
vanillaizer compulsive (literally helping scum at worst, doesnt do too much at best)

Even-Night Rolestopper (gated protective)
Odd-Night Doctor (gated protective)

vs.

Full Rolecop scum
Busdriver of sorts
1-shot fucking dayvig

If we are missing one of those protectives aren't we mostly working with unhelpful/negative utilty versus one of the strongest PR lineups on a scumteam ive ever seen?

Additionally if Kid is scum, doesn't it seem like they would have to be a scum rolestopper considering they claimed it on the first day and rolestopper is something we can verify?

Koba confirmed there’s a scum bus driver, so unlikely scum has a rolestopper. Because that would make the game too heavily scumsided.

[Morning Tweet]

If we're going to accept that Kid is an even-night something, i think they would have to be even-night bus driver. But if we were to test out Kid's claim (say, have me send a message to someone or have italiano vanillaize) -- could bus driver convincingly reproduce rolestopper results?

Not if we investigate the rolestopped person -- that would be a dead giveaway. Messager, well, you could have the message redirected to a scumteam member and have them stay silent. I suppose confirming a rolestopper is a little tricky since you probably don't want to waste investigations on it.

we do know that the bus driver acted on night 2 (bypass morty protection) and night 4 (screwed up toog/rek investigation), if i have that right..

[Morning Tweet]

Then again, i mean, vanilla cop is prolly worth wasting investigations to confirm kid's role tbh and it had claimed before Gamma did

Mech is dumb

It doesn't seem like there's a way to differentiate between bus driver and rolestopper actually, i was thinking there is but without our investigator, i dont think it's possible since my messages can be redirected to scum. So, hm, I suppose it's possible for Kid to be even-night bus driver masquerading as even-night rolestopper in that case

Now town power does seem on the lower side to me versus rolecop / dayvig / bus driver but I guess if you gate the driver and factor in nancy's vig.... maybe? It leaves us with a half doctor + vanilla cop and a lot uselessness still

[Dunnstral]

If we're going to accept that Kid is an even-night something, i think they would have to be even-night bus driver.

Nope, dkkoba claimed redirect on an odd night

[Dunnstral]

But if we were to test out Kid's claim (say, have me send a message to someone or have italiano vanillaize) -- could bus driver convincingly reproduce rolestopper results?

Not if we investigate the rolestopped person -- that would be a dead giveaway.

I think the way dkkoba's role worked was non-standard and that scum would not have known that dkkoba could have identified the redirect

[Morning Tweet]

If we're going to accept that Kid is an even-night something, i think they would have to be even-night bus driver.

Nope, dkkoba claimed redirect on an odd night

Oh i got the nights wrong then ty

How can scum get an ungated bus driver? That seems really dumb to me, has to be gated somehow surely or else our protectives are just pointless no?

But you're right in that case, then there's no way Gamma would know to claim Even-Night

But if we were to test out Kid's claim (say, have me send a message to someone or have italiano vanillaize) -- could bus driver convincingly reproduce rolestopper results?

Not if we investigate the rolestopped person -- that would be a dead giveaway.

I think the way dkkoba's role worked was non-standard and that scum would not have known that dkkoba could have identified the redirect

in that case then there's no way for us to distinguish a rolestopped player from a bus driven one really is there?

But point would still stand that Gamma would need a huge stroke of luck to claim something that pairs with a real town role -- and Dunn couldnt have been rolecopped of course.

[Nancy Drew 39]

If we're going to accept that Kid is an even-night something, i think they would have to be even-night bus driver. But if we were to test out Kid's claim (say, have me send a message to someone or have italiano vanillaize) -- could bus driver convincingly reproduce rolestopper results?

Not if we investigate the rolestopped person -- that would be a dead giveaway. Messager, well, you could have the message redirected to a scumteam member and have them stay silent. I suppose confirming a rolestopper is a little tricky since you probably don't want to waste investigations on it.

we do know that the bus driver acted on night 2 (bypass morty protection) and night 4 (screwed up toog/rek investigation), if i have that right..

Night 4 was last night, REK died night 3, so you obviously mean night 3 I’m assuming?

[Nancy Drew 39]

If we're going to accept that Kid is an even-night something, i think they would have to be even-night bus driver.

Nope, dkkoba claimed redirect on an odd night

Right, good catch then, so maybe two scum in the vts then? I have reasons for thinking it’s not Starcrossed and I think you’ve been super obvtown here from the getgo.

I now have also have a locktown read on Tweetie.

[Morning Tweet]

Nightskip got me confused

[Nancy Drew 39]

But if we were to test out Kid's claim (say, have me send a message to someone or have italiano vanillaize) -- could bus driver convincingly reproduce rolestopper results?

Not if we investigate the rolestopped person -- that would be a dead giveaway.

I think the way dkkoba's role worked was non-standard and that scum would not have known that dkkoba could have identified the redirect

Yeah, that part was definitely strange and scum was obviously terrified of keeping them alive specifically BECAUSE of that.