That's rather unfavorable. Here's the non-meta aspects of it:In post 1904, VFP wrote:I read it, but half of it is meta so nothing to really contribute on this side to it.
While there's a few things trimmed from being meta, this is still well over half of my case for why I am town here.In post 1901, mastina wrote:Who would be my scumbuddy?
It is pretty damn obvious that you are town and that Pooky is town. So who's left for being scum?
I have pushed BBMolla as being scum the entire game--it can't be him.
I have given, fairly solid imo, reasons for why VFP should be conftown here, not only through the slot's holding of a doublevote, but also through the fact that the busdrive last night seems to, very clearly, be a spanner in the works of the scumteam's plans since if they had the busdriver, we almost certainly wouldn't have had no town death last night (as between a busdriver and a deflector, they could basically guarantee a kill on town by managing to combine the two).
That literally leaves only {Not_Mafia, Toogeloo, Almost50} as possible scumbuddies for me--and one of them, Toogeloo, is voting me, so it's almost definitely not him.
Do you think I am scum with Not_Mafia, or do you think I am scum with Almost50? Because for me to be scum you MUST think that one of the two is scum.
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If you accept that I'm not lying about taking and using a babysit on BBMolla...the question then becomes: What is the motive?
As scum, there is no motive for this. As scum, with the PGO dead on D3, I would have every reason to believe no scum died N3. I would thus have every reason to believe that, come D4, we would be in mylo. Why would I take, and burn, the babysit? If I was concerned that town could use it to save someone after a mylo mislynch, I could pass it to scum. There would be two scumbuddies to pass it to. Or even if I was concerned, I could just...take it, and then...not use it. I didn't need to burn it on BBMolla as scum last night because doing so had no motive.
A babysit used by scum won't be giving the scum an extra death because it'd require scum to die and I wouldn't be vigged. A babysit used by scum COULD stop the scum kill accidentally, via redirect actions that, per Pizza being scum with a deflector role, scumastina would know to exist in the game.
Using the babysit as scum is thus, something that has no proscum motive and is, explicitly, an antiscum action.
Now contrast that with the motive to use it as town:
As town, I KNOW I was the N2 nightkill via your jailkeep of me.
To reiterate:
FACT: There was no town death N2.
FACT: The only claimed source to stop the N2 kill is your jailkeep of me, MathBlade.
Therefore, FACT: Your jailkeep of me stopped the scum nightkill.
FACT: I am town.
FACT: I therefore know that I didn't make the scum nightkill with it being blocked. (But more on that below.)
FACT: I therefore know that *I* was the N2 scum nightkill, that the scumteam TRIED TO KILL ME N2.
FACT: On D3, you stated you had passed me a protective role.
FACT: No other player on D3 claimed to be in possession of a protective role. I was the only one who claimed to have access to one.
CONCLUSION: Between me being the confirmed N2 scum nightkill, and me having the only claimed protective role left in the game after the two others were burned N2, it was incredibly likely I would be the N3 scum nightkill, both due to being the N2 scum nightkill and possessing a protection, with anyone not-me being killed having a risk I would save them and me being incredibly likely to be wide open to attack.
Thus, using my babysit on BBMolla as town has a very, very, VERY obvious, self-evident reason: a full belief that I was going to die N3 and wanting to take BBMolla down with me, bringing us to 7 alive today, and either in lylo with the main scum mislynch down IF Molla is town, or in the day before lylo with one scum dead from me taking them down with me.
There's zero scum motive in using a babysit; there is EVERY town motive in using the babysit.
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Aside from that: there are no claimed protective roles for N3 other than me.
The scum kill from N3 is absent.
I claimed to use a babysitter action.
As I am not dead, that babysitter action should be a protect rather than a kill, saving a life rather than taking it.
I am literally the you of N2, of N3. Just as your jailkeep of me is the ONLY possible source of a lack of scum kill N2, my babysitter is the ONLY possible source of a lack of scum kill N3.
While I meant to use it as a kill on Molla, it is very likely, given VFP's claim of having busdriven you and Molla, that I ended upsaving your life. Just as you saved my life N2, it is highly likely that I ended up saving your life N3 (albeit unintentionally).
I trust you to not skim and not engage on this in bad faith and to actually think it over, look at it, and give it actual serious thought and analysis but it should be pretty damn apparent that if you fucking mislynch me here you're literally doing the scum's jobs for them because I should be bloody conftown here.
I did use some meta; the point about me not nightkilling as scum is entirely self-meta, and there was one point which was literally called self-meta, and just as Pooky has a meta of "I never bus on D1 as scum" as proof for him being conftown I have a "I never lie about my role as scum" meta for confing my claim as real, but the majority of my arguments stand even without meta.
I feel like,In post 1910, MathBlade wrote:Please please if I mess up tell me I hate bus drivers and deflectors with a passion
1: We are close to having the right combo and answers for some of this shit, but,
2: We're never going to get the entire answer for it, both because,
3: The mechanics are incredibly hard to wrap our heads around,
4: The answers are highly situational and variant on the mod for how they played out,
5: And we don't have all the info needed to make the right conclusion and,
6: While we're mechanical-based players, wrapping our head around these multi-layered mechanics is challenging even for us to the point where asking the right questions and coming up with the right combinations is a struggle, so,
7: We can't get a perfect answer from this, but,
8: We can still sort-of break the game from the knowledge in a way.
I maintain that I believe that if scum had both the deflector and the busdriver, they wouldn't have fucked the mechanical interaction between the two up--and thus that VFP must be town.
I know I used a babysit last night and that I am apparently the only killstopper action in play for N3 and thus that it is quite likely I (however unintentionally) foiled the scum nightkill last night.
I think you and Pooky are both for your own reasons conftown here.
And if that's true, that's 4 players for 2 scum.
We can't solve the game entirely from the mechanics nor do I think we should spend too much time trying to do so--but I think they have given us an edge and pointed us in the right direction overall.
