TemporalLich's Grand Idea [Game Over]

[Bell]

Also, im not the twilight extender, and ALSO we dont know for sure the twilight extender isnt town.

I don't like NDmaths assumptions here.

If you're town Im the other town so by definition the twilight extender isn't town.

I also think it's a mistake to no-eliminate here.

[Bell]

To be frank, the survivor should claim here. So that we can avoid eliminating them accidentally as they can win with the town or if they are so inclined side with scum.

[Bell]

It's my hope that the survivor will side with us and we can identify the other town. Or at least hear us out.

[NDMath]

To my knowledge there is a survivor who should not be able to shoot.

I forgot about this somehow.
Surv should just be nono?


Though am questioning the possibility hayker picked mafia or something instead of survivor and lied to make korina look good.

[Nono]

be here soon
will read, think, and post)

[Nono]

i'm town, just saying

[Nono]

game confusing, confused myself
what i'm thinking right now,, we have 2 town, 2 scum,, but what faction of scum are they?
or is the assumption by 2 dead scum, one faction is dead
whether mafia or werewolf, that's what i want to think too,, otherwise town is lock-lose, almost

[NDMath]

Wait @Vax, I'm assuming you have not won yet, as in, from your point of view you know there is still one mafia alive, right? Since if so I have mechanical info that Bell is not mafia.


@nono the current problem I see with the 1 maf/ww and 1 something-else theory is 'What is the something-else?'. Since survivor would claim today, jester would be dead, possibly etc


@Bell I've just realised what really pinged me about #3150, and it's that your doing the stand-offish thing you mentioned in the neighborhood (and have been yesterday too looking back) which made you really sus DP and pooky.

[Bell]

I'm usually pretty stand offish.
I'm not a werewolf because of my interactions with Pooky and I'm not mafia because I'm not good enough to interact with Korina that naturally as scum.
I'm just town.

[Bell]

847
Why did you vote pooky in this post?

[Bell]

Nvm, found it, I forgot.

[Bell]

I've reviewed all of Ndmath's posts.
I don't feel much from there. Just general content. Nothing particularly insightful. Some minor sense of vulnerability.

I need Vax, Nono, and NDmath to true claim or we're probably not getting anywhere.

I full true claimed, I have no additional abilities than what I've already said with a town win condition. Just the facts.

If noone changes their claim I'm just going to ask the two people I suspect the most to cross vote each other and then see if scum suddenly hammers.

[Bell]

I have meta'd nono and this is actually his most active game to date.
Now I'll just go look at his posts this game and try to figure it out.
The only difference seems to be a general sense of independence while he's more circumspect and willing to ask questions as scum. but small sample size is small.

[Bell]

Rerad all his posts. Without major changes gunna ask Vax to cross vote NDmath.

[NDMath]

I've reviewed all of Ndmath's posts.
I don't feel much from there. Just general content. Nothing particularly insightful. Some minor sense of vulnerability.

I need Vax, Nono, and NDmath to true claim or we're probably not getting anywhere.

I full true claimed, I have no additional abilities than what I've already said with a town win condition. Just the facts.

If noone changes their claim I'm just going to ask the two people I suspect the most to cross vote each other and then see if scum suddenly hammers.

I am not sure how to respond to the first part.

Unless the rest is specifically addressed to Nono despite stating otherwise, no matter how many different words you put in front of claim it isn't gonna change my role.

I have meta'd nono and this is actually his most active game to date.
Now I'll just go look at his posts this game and try to figure it out.
The only difference seems to be a general sense of independence while he's more circumspect and willing to ask questions as scum. but small sample size is small.

I went and checked and this is my most active game too.

This is weird in that I know it's either a wrong conclusion (nono being town) or it's coming from scum, so I inherently disagree with it despite there not being anything stated that can really be disagreed with.

Rerad all his posts. Without major changes gunna ask Vax to cross vote NDmath.

I agree with vax being top candidate for scum here, however, this strongly feels like you're trying to eliminate the not-you scum and instawin from a nightkill.

Like I don't think town!you first thought to seeing two scum in four players is "There's probably only one scum with a nightkill and we'll probably just happen to elim that one over the other."

[Bell]

No, but without the survivor claiming there really isn't much I can do other than try to kill one of the scum before losing. Just to give you some idea of what I'm working with I have more posts than all three of you combined.

[Bell]

I'd rather have both scum vote each other and hope we kill the one with the nk and hope there aren't two with the nk and that there really is a pseudo survivor.
I don't like the idea of no eliminating because it relies on people not aligned with me to do what's in my interest and that's not a good bet to make.

[Bell]

Also, just in general I've been working under the assumption that there was a survivor ever since our first flip based on the conjecture that hayker would have auto died if he chose a faction that didn't exist.
So it shouldn't be that difficult to believe given my position and assumptions have been posted out in the open for quite awhile.

[Vaxkiller]

I've full clamed. I'm not a survivor. My win condition while slightly different, but it does not make me a survivor or anything, my role still says town.

Aren't survivors considered town anyway? Still no one claimed it, and it would be a safe claim at this point.

There are 2 town. WE CANT FADE ANYONE, if we fade we lose. If we fade the non-town, then the 1 remains kills, its 1v1 tomorrow, we lose.

[Vaxkiller]

There cant be a 4 maf 2 wolf team. Im thinking 3v3 or MAYBE a 2v3v1 (sk?) but that sk would have to be hitting similar targets the last few days or not be able to kill?

Its gotta be 3v3.

[Bell]

Dunno which reality I'm in. Dunno which action serves us best.
I guess I'll wait on Nono's promised post and then figure out whether to throw my hands up in the air or not.

[TemporalLich]

VC 6.1

Not voting: Nono, Vaxkiller, Bell, NDMath

With 4 alive it takes greater than 2 to exile.

Day 6 will end in (expired on 2021-03-29 01:05:00) or when an exile is reached.

[Bell]

You have 7 days to post NONO!
I believe in you!

[NDMath]

No, but without the survivor claiming there really isn't much I can do other than try to kill one of the scum before losing. Just to give you some idea of what I'm working with I have more posts than all three of you combined.

You would rather be able to say "town killed 2 scum this game not just 1" than play to win?
My comment about activity was meant as a 'purely activity reads bad' more than anything.

Also, just in general I've been working under the assumption that there was a survivor ever since our first flip based on the conjecture that hayker would have auto died if he chose a faction that didn't exist.
So it shouldn't be that difficult to believe given my position and assumptions have been posted out in the open for quite awhile.

I brought up the possibility to you that hayker lied earlier and you had brushed it off entirely.
More to the point, I feel you should be able to adapt to new information as town better than you are right now.

There are 2 town. WE CANT FADE ANYONE, if we fade we lose. If we fade the non-town, then the 1 remains kills, its 1v1 tomorrow, we lose.

What is your believe on what we should be doing with this discussion time today/this-twilight?

[Bell]

Why would Hayker lie about that when they flipped what they said they were going to flip?
i believe Guilotina now that he's dead.