Open 807 | Town Win

[Almost50]

Minimegabyte
Not_Mafia
Battle_Mage
Gamma Emerald
Something_Smart
Dunnstral

Artemiana
Salsabil Faria
Save The Dragons

implosion
PenguinPower
PookytheMagicalBear
Almost50

Spoiler:

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Interesting duel between the green men.

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I expect everyone on my wagon to unvote me in their next posts.

Unfortunately I didn't get on it. Otherwise I would have unvoted to appease you.

Now the question is if I should hop on it to carry on with the fore-mentioned plan.

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Tone of 52-54, I don't think scum expresses that they are town so outwardly like that.

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Tone of 52-54, I don't think scum expresses that they are town so outwardly like that.

This read feels forced

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VOTE:

Imposter!

[Almost50]

dragons if you're nasty

Spoiler:

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p good p good

Is this a crumb PP is a green check?

[Almost50]

Good! I've ran out of scumtells to use on you anyway, so I'll be betting all on PP = Town

[Almost50]

PP and I are masons

Well, I'll only accept that if HE says it. I ALWAYS SR you.

[Almost50]

That role actually isn't in this setup, PookyTheMagicalBear!

Sheesh! I totally forgot this was an Open setup.

P.S. Some of you will Town!bin me for it, and some will SR me for the same thing. It is NAI for me. I just brain-farted (as I do.. occasionally)

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btw its a scumtell to look at the setup

Told you someone was gonna Town!bin me for it.

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Not only is that not true, I didn't even look at the setup! I just remembered it!

This

proof

you're not over 50.

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We were having a moment

I'm allergic to that, and would rather have a regular burger. Thank you very much.

[Almost50]

maybe a50 for town.

Please don't. I would rather be null for now. TYVM.

[Almost50]

I'm begging for people to actually play this wonderful game of mafia we've found ourselves in!

Why are you so persistent on spoiling the fun? You're in a game with PP, Pooky, and ME (and funnily enough this is the bottom trio on the players list). ENJOY THE RIDE.

And if you ant less posts; you've got N_M for that

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In fact, neither Dunn nor S_S are exactly hyper-posters either, so we are just compensating for the deficit. As for quality, rest assured it will come in a few pages when people start pointing fingers at each other for no reason. Now THAT is how a Mafia game is played.

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VOTE: Pooky

You slipped.. TWICE.

Spoiler: explanation

Posting the Russian flag is an attempt to inform your Scum partners you are the Traitor. As we all know, Russia was the heart & sould of the former USSR, and the USSR flag was RED.. thus USSR is the main Scum team, and Russia is the Traitor.

BEAT THIS kind of Scum hunting.

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@STD: You remind me much of a player named Fenrir

Serious talk: I may not have any confident reads yet, but I feel like the top 4 posters are indeed all Town, and that scum are happy to let them take bouts at each other while they wait for a chance to jump on the duel loser.

Like, seriously.. SIX players have posted less than N_M??

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VC 1.12

Not voting (2):

Something_Smart, implosion

Scipio1 (1):

Dunnstral

Not_Mafia (1):

Minimegabyte

implosion (1):

Save The Dragons

Dunnstral (1):

Salsabil Faria

Battle Mage (1):

Artemiana

Save The Dragons (3):

Battle Mage, PookyTheMagicalBear, PenguinPower

PookyTheMagicalBear (2):

Almost50, Not_Mafia

MiniMegabyte (1):

Scipio1

(expired on 2021-03-24 08:06:31) until deadline

[Almost50]

There's three people "scumreading" me and I've barely posted

You guys can go ahead and town lock me

I'd be SRing you myself if I wasn't familiar with your meta (of not posting much in early game). You should only suspect those who -you think- should be very familiar with your play and are still using your low activity as a reason to SR you. (FTR, you are NAI to me still)

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To be clear on how I read the game so far: PP/Pooky/implo/STD are all Town to me. IF I'm wrong then a max of ONE Scum in this group, but I'm leaning "None over One".

The rest are mostly Null, with 2 exceptions: N_M is a Town lean (he's hyper-posting already by his standards) , and BM is a Scum lean (no this is a true hyper-poster in my experience, but is not posting nearly enough. (I do realize he's on VLA, but it's a 21 hours span between his first post and the one in which he declared VLA, and he only posted once between the two)

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@A50, why do you think people who post more are likely to be town? And vice versa?

It's not a general rule. I just think the ones

in this game

are.

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To be clear on how I read the game so far: PP/Pooky/implo/STD are all Town to me. IF I'm wrong then a max of ONE Scum in this group, but I'm leaning "None over One".

...anyway.

why is your vote still on pooky?

I like to vote my TRs.

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Are we even allowed to discuss the list of players on the D1 start PM?? Because I do have a question if it's not "quoting mod communication"

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Artemiana's ISO ain't great in the early going. Shading Pooky from the sidelines (when Pooky is looking town AF), unexplained vote on me when i was getting heat, and has already acknowledged finding it difficult to feign scumhunting.

VOTE: Artemiana

let's do this

Cow Friend got my back

VOTE: Artemiana

time to make arrow girl walk the plank

VOTE: Artemiana

Animal squad assemble

Was i summoned?

VOTE: artemiana.

VOTE: Artemiana

Bear sheep cow.. cow sheep bear sheeping cow.. penguin sheep cow sheeping bear sheeping cow.. monkey sheep penguin sheeping cow sheeping bear sheeping cow

P.S. I did cheat this time around. I had to make sure I wasn't lol!hammering (now THAT would have been a GOOD joke, wouldn't it?)

L-1 by my count

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*For those who don't know me; by "cheating" I mean I looked at posts that were actually made AFTER the post I am responding to. I don't usually do that

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@A50, why do you think people who post more are likely to be town? And vice versa?

It's not a general rule. I just think the ones

in this game

are.

What reads town to you from Penguin and STD?

I like their avatars.

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We're all maybe scum, that's like, the whole point of the game

I either am or am not, but I am never maybe.

[Almost50]

I'm sorry, I'll stop being a salty asshole and

read when I get the opportunity

will try to be a sweet bum instead

.

FTFY

[Almost50]

It probably wasn't on purpose. But it's still annoying.

Some people say annyed people are easier to read than calm ones.

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Sometimes shitposting IS scumhunting

+1

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Scipio and STD feel town, and maybe implosion?

If I had to pick out a scumspect it would be Mini, but that's pretty minor.

Not according to my unorthodox schemes. Mini is indeed one of the 1st 3 posters, with the other 2 being Dunn and PP. happen to TR PP, so it's -at least- a 40% chance Mini is Scum (seeing as I'm still Null on Dunn + it's only like 70% a chance that there is a scum player in the first 3 posters in any given game).

Like, the distribution is roughly like this:

Mini 40%
Dunn 25%
PP 5%
None 30%

Note: This also doesn't take into account the probability of

more than one scum

, but that's rare so I choose to neglect it

[Almost50]

Let's play good cop bad cop.

Spoiler:

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Wait, the day isn't over yet, we need 7 votes to hammer

Now you know the answer to your previous question. I did count scipio's vote. THAT is why I needed to explain that I did count.

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I don't especially like the Artemiana wagon but I am getting tired of waiting for her to do something, mostly because I still think when she does it'll be relatively fruitful to read off of.

Here's a

serious

take: I voted Artemiana as meme/joke, but now I do seriously SR her. Going quiet when @L-1 is the scum response to being wagoned "for no reason" and she is counting on it dissolving soon as people grow bored of waiting. That is usually the case on D1. Scum expect wagons to shift off them if they don't talk much because Town will get cold feet yeeting a silent slot so early. My vote in cemented.

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are you auditioning for the role of her defense attorney bro?

cuz like her present lawyer ain't doing much

Can I apply to this?? Please??

Spoiler:

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look it ain't up to me that Princess Artemiana has decided to give us the ghost.

Looks like sshe's going down fast. 24 hours ago she was

Queen Artmiana

.

[Almost50]

and a50 can be her defense attorney

so a50 unvotes Her Majesty

A50 realizes he's defending a baddie.

A50 rips off his lawyer suit and hammers Her Majesty - rejoins the Animal Police Department.

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I don't really see anything that looks like a crumb in Penguin's recent posting but I didn't look all that far back. It's entirely possible he'd hide behind N_M tbh.

VOTE: implosion

Yeah, like he would do that without bringing him up even once! *Nod*

PP hid behind implo or STD, and the former is much much more likely than the latter.

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Why did Penguin die on day 2 instead of night 1?

EXACTLY! This is PROOF he didn't die hiding behind N_M

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I guess if the traitor wasn't recruited, then they're almost certainly offwagon, yeah? No reason to bus as a traitor with a 2-person scumteam.

I fully agree. Mow vote this implosion guy with me as he is also crumbing traitor now

Not voting (2):

Something_Smart, implosion

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VOTE: MiniMegabyte

I think this hits scum decently often.

VOTE: MiniMegabyte

And Dunn is responding. My solve is Dunn is the other Mafioso (main) and implo is the Traitor. Piece if cake.

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Salsabil Faria can easily be scum

I think we should take care of them and MiniMegabyte, I don't have a preference between the two

I won't budge off implosion.

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EXACTLY! This is PROOF he didn't die hiding behind N_M

Uh... Show your work?

What do you mean? N_M died at night, PP died at the start of the day. The two did not die "simultaneously". I thought YOU should explain that as a member of the NRG.

PP hid behind implo or STD, and the former is much much more likely than the latter.

Show your work here too.

ISO PP. He voted implo in RVS, was focused on him all day, and revoted him to reassert his crumb. He voted STD afterwards for a short period (which I don't think is the true crumb, but can't rule it out) and then he switched to Artimiana.

You don't think PP would go into the night without crumbing his target, would you? Now unless you think "Pooky is town" was the actual crumb (in which case shame on PP) or the "Lying clodpole" was a reference to him targeting N_M, I can't seem to find anything more telling than PP SRing implo and spending the whole day arguing he was Scum.

ALSO, Pooky -if Town- is/was a prime NK target himself, so PP would not have hid behind him regardless. N_M was early on the wagon so is unlikely to be suspected by PP too, and the way PP plays Weak Hider is NOT to try and survive, but rather as a one-shot Cop.

This all leads me to think he hid behind implo. Plain and simple.

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VOTE: MiniMegabyte

I think this hits scum decently often.

VOTE: MiniMegabyte

And Dunn is responding. My solve is Dunn is the other Mafioso (main) and implo is the Traitor. Piece if cake.

There is little reason for main faction mafia to respond to a traitor signal

Well, I'm not voting you for now, am I?

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I was assuming the "day two" thing was just a mistake and I don't understand why anyone thinks it isn't?

I'll reconsider if the mod confirms it's a mistake.

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HOWEVER, I have laid out why I don't think PP hid behind N_M either way, and I pointed out how it looks like he crumbed hiding behind you. It's not like he provided a pool of players for his PoE. He only made it clear YOU were his main suspect.

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^@implo

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N_M makes sense as a target; open 806 just ended where Penguin incorrectly townread N_M but his play this game IMO was a bit starkly different from that one (hence me saying I lightly townread him).

Hiding behind N_M without crumbing it would be much much worse play, don't you think? Like, you're a WEAK role and you don't crumb your target??

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and the way PP plays Weak Hider is NOT to try and survive, but rather as a one-shot Cop.

based on...?

PP character. He even OUTED he was the Weak Hider when he promptly responded to Artimiana's fake claim with one word: Liar (tell me you didn't notice that too)

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News flash, hiders want to not visit scum. You do not hide behind a person you're scumreading. That's terrible play.

In a game with only 2 members for the main Scum team, AND a flipped Scum on D1???

You all know what? This is my solve and I'm going to let you all decide whom to eliminate. I am no longer going to argue, and I am not moving my vote. Good Luck

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Hiding behind N_M without crumbing it would be much much worse play, don't you think?

Didn't you just point out the "lying clodpole" thing as a potential N_M crumb?

OK, so I am wrong, but I'm also stubborn. You solve the game, and I will keep my vote where I want it to be.

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I disagree that penguin crumbed that he was going to hide behind implosion

I also disagree to that. This monkey is a shit player. Don't listen to him EVER.

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VOTE: almost50

Are we distancing already?

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I was assuming the "day two" thing was just a mistake and I don't understand why anyone thinks it isn't?

I'll reconsider if the mod confirms it's a mistake.

My bad for phrasing it like that. PP died on N1 and was found dead at the start of D2.

Okie dokie. Now, one more question: Did he die hiding behind N_M??

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Remember there might be a traitor

What do you mean "might"?? The setup explicitly does have a Traitor. 2 Goons + 1 Traitor is how the game starts.

But the top of your post is also -maybe- town indicative of you. I don't see why Scum!you would point out several players townslips.

Also, Pooky isn't completely sold on you being scum, and I value Chief Pooky's opinions.

Spoiler: Pooky in his best mood

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UNVOTE:

For now

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(This is me thinking aloud, but ALSO meant to help someone like Salsabil get how the setup works)

During pre-game, the Mafia Goons, Mafia Traitor, and Vanilla Townie roles are distributed to the playerlist. The Mafia have 24 hours to select any of the follow modifications to be applied to the team (up to three) assigning which Goon or Traitor gets the additional abilities. For each modification the Mafia select, an additional modification is granted to the town (up to three). Town can then be randomly given new roles, two plus additional roles granted by mafia (up to three for a max of five).

Town starts with 2 guaranteed (unspecified) PRs. Mafia pick up to 3 modifiers and town gets as many additional PRs.

A Goon flipping means Town has 2 PRs minimum and 4 maximum. One was the Hider so we have 1, 2 or 3 living PRs..

Let's see..

If we have a Neapolitan we have a clear
If we have a Follower/Jailkeeper we have a "soft-clear"
If we have a Doctor we have nothing

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I'm not sure why S_S is acting like scum can't recruit the traitor? In my mind recruiting the traitor is the #1 powerup for scum to pick

In this setup you can't recruit the Traitor in pre-game. You -instead- have the option of making one of the 2 Goons a Recruiter, and if the Recruiter shoots the Traitor they recruit them instead. (At least that's what I figured by reading the setup and comparing it to the original

Stack the Deck

)

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Right now I'm inclined to townbin, roughly but not strongly in order of strength: Salsabil, Pooky, Battle Mage, STD, A50.

implo, if you are town-aligned you are a town asset (at least in my own view), but before you try to form reads I urge you to go reread the setup we are in to understand it fully. Like, the Traitor is still a Traitor at this very moment is an essential difference between this setup and it's predecessor. The Traitor in this setup can only be recruited if shot by the Recruiter, and since we did have a NK then it's obvious the Recruiter -if exists- did not shoot the Traitor. There are no other killing roles in this setup (the original had the possibility of a Town Vig). I know these are some minor details but I think they're essential for you (or anyone else) to keep on mind still. Like this setup has a Neapolitan as opposed to a Goon Cop in Stack the Deck, so our investigative produces Inno's rather than guilties, and the inno's are solid (the clears of the Goon Cop are soft)

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That said I'm not sure why S_S is acting like scum can't recruit the traitor? In my mind recruiting the traitor is the #1 powerup for scum to pick.

Perhaps they can, but that requires them to both know who the traitor is and sacrifice a kill, with pretty disastrous consequences if they're wrong.

I suppose it's a little more likely that scum bussed if they are a recruiter, but that's still a pretty big risk to be taking unless they already knew who the traitor was (which they evidently didn't).

What is the benefit of recruiting the Traitor with no daytalk? I'd say it's minimal (just a PoV.. based on my own playstyle). If I was Scum I'd probably pick no modifiers (thus keeping TPRs to a minimum). Traitor does know the main team, which is good enough, and even if the main team were both eliminated then the Traitors inherits the factional kill. Simple.

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This I got -btw- from the original Mafia Traitor PM in the original setup:

If you are not recruited and are the last surviving member of the mafia, you will take over the factional kill.

It is not explicitly mentioned in this modified setup, but as nothing that counters was mentioned I assume it's the same

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And I think you're wrong on the traitor. We don't need to elim the traitor to win -

And I think YOU are wrong. Check me previous post about the Traitor inheriting eth Factional Kill if they become the last Scum alive. This is not a NORMAL game. It's an OPEN-SETUP.

[Almost50]

are you voting implo then?

I should vote implo

VOTE: implosion

let's get this done

Like, make up your mind, boss.

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a50 i figured out i was wrong about traitor mechanics earlier.

yeah, I noticed. I just can't shake the habit of responding while reading in sequence though. If I try to do I end up saying absolutely nothing and probably become totally disengaged too. Sorry.

[Almost50]

what is your current view of the setup, traitor mechanics etc?

Did the mod respond to Dunn's question about the Traitor mechanics??

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Where I stand:

- Traitor does get the Factional Kill if both Goons are eliminated
- Scum likely do not pick any modifications to keep the Town PRs to a minimum
- As it stands, we have "2 scums" (A Goon and a Traitor) who share NO PT at this time

[Almost50]

It feels good to be fully caught up. Unfortunately no one said anything that I feel the need to respond to. (Also, mod ignoring us is frustrating.. hey, Brass... gimme your phone so I can bug you when we need your attention)

[Almost50]

As an alternative: The Traitor can tell us what their PM says, and I promise not to vote them for today

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The traitor takes over the factional kill if they become the last surviving member of the mafia.

YESSS! I am the KING of intellectual deduction. I am a master in setup analysis.

[Almost50]

That's literally the dumbest thing about Stack the Deck. This setup was supposed to be a fixed version of Stack the Deck :X

If I put you in my PoE later on, or if I forget why I TR you, would you be kind enough as to point me to this post? Thank you

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willing to vote {Dunnstral, MiniMegabyte, implosion}

Why not me??

P.S. I just had to come up with something to post lest I get prodded. I most agree with implo that the game is rapidly becoming dull and uninteresting

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Looks like the game isn't just boring.. it's DEAD.

Alright.. let me try to motivate you all.. (I can't promise it will be successful though).

Hold on

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@MMB: You're a prime candidate for the lim. Let's try to see what you have to say about these (silly) remarks:

VOTE: Not Mafia

Obvious reasons

Seeing as N_M was the NK (regardless of how PP died) this now looks a bit shady (yes, I know.. we all do silly stuff in RVS and we kind of invent reasons to vote on page 1, but still you pocked N_M in particular, and that is what I am asking about)

I know you explained your "obvious reasons" but how do you now feel with N_M ending up the N1K? And especially so when you had ridden that -presumably- RVS vote to the end of the day.

I hate day one that’s why I don’t post much I read though but don’t feel like I have anything worth posting or anything

I don't see a major change in your activity on D2. Yes, you seem to have posted more by count, but by content you still didn't bring anything of value. Do you have any comments?

Furthermore, the majority of your posts (on both days) are filler and/or QUESTIONS (the typical way for Scum to look engaged is to ask questions they do not intend to follow up on). For example:

Why claim something that isn’t possible?

What possible answers did you expect here? And how would one answer help you decide on Pooky's alignment? Like, how would you have expected Scum!Pooky to respond? And how would you have expected Town!him to respond?

im a wolf

Isnt wolf another word for scum? If so that’s a very open scum claim

Was this serious? If so, why didn't you vote STD? If not, what was the purpose of that post of yours?

I don’t like the comment of you not needing reads.

Again; what did you do to deal with it?? Absolutely NOTHING.

Honestly I don’t know like if they are both town what’s the point in claiming something that’s impossible just makes no sense to me. They don’t only claim it but keep it going

I honestly don’t know because if they are scum isn’t that a bit too obvious?

So what the freak was the point of your question to begin with?

Hint: Here's how I look at it.. "I am Scum and I am stuck. I dunno what to say, so let me ask some silly question that serves no purpose other than making me look like I am engaged and posting".

Like, seriously.. SIX players have posted less than N_M??

Why is that something worth mentioning

This now looks even worse. At first I thought you weren't familiar with N_M (my bad for not following the thread closely), but upon this reread you seem to know him well enough to understand exactly why I said that. Now what was YOUR reason to ask this question?

VOTE: MiniMegabyte

I think this hits scum decently often.

Well sorry to disappoint ya then because I ain't scum here

But you sure are playing like one!

Why specifically the two of us?

Why do you seem so certain on them being the last mafia? I don't like how confident you are here

Two more examples of questions that lead to nowhere and serve no purpose as you don't even pretend to follow up on.

Im not really one for putting reads directly out there however if I see something worth mentioning I do that instead.
If you would rather a reads list I am sure I can put one together for you

1- I only see questions, but nothing "worth mentioning" tbh
2- Where's that reads list??

I think they absolutely could decide to take no PRs!

Do you know them both well? You've implied so far that you don't, so I'm struggling to buy this.

yikes

What is the point of this post?

And what was the point of yours?

What about Implosion? You seem to have left them out... Any reason for that?

More questions. But do you present your own views?? NO. Your main concern seems to be keeping everyone in the PoE and that's all.

They're just not my top suspect and the case against him mostly focuses on mechanical speculation that I disagree with

That doesn't answer my question... Nice way to try and get around it.
Might it have something to do with the fact that you know they are town because you are scum?

A scumslip in my book (but I am certain no one else would agree). By your logic, and IF you are Town, and IF Dunn is Scum, what would be the difference between him knowing implo is Town and him knowing YOU are Town? Why would he be pushing you and not making implo his top SR??

If they havent done anything that you can point out as towny then why arent they one of the top suspects

More indirect shade thrown implosion's way, but you don't ever say what implo did that makes you SR him. Care to share?

@Mod V/LA for 24 hours

Alright I’m half back I’m at work rn but I should be good to check this on my breaks

Alright finished work for the day but after a 15 hour day I’m going to bed so I will be catching up tomorrow

Last 3 posts in your ISO sure look like you're trying your best to avoid being in this thread.

P-edit: Sorry..

There isn’t much going on in this game to the point I keep forgetting about it

Make that 4 posts

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Yes. People not voting need to vote me or mini. Or at least someone.

I want her to try and respond to my questions to her first

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A scumslip in my book (but I am certain no one else would agree). By your logic, and IF you are Town, and IF Dunn is Scum, what would be the difference between him knowing implo is Town and him knowing YOU are Town? Why would he be pushing you and not making implo his top SR??

I have read this over and over again and dont get what you mean

OK, let me try to simplify it for you:

You say the reason Dunn is not pushing implo is because Dunn is Scum who knows implo is Town. Right?
But you are -supposedly- Town too, so why is Dunn pushing you?

As for the rest of your answers I'll let the others decide for themselves.

Also, I do not want you to play in a certain way, but I want you to provide content all the same. IF you are Town, please consider trying harder. If not, then I guess I should be thanking you.

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You say the reason Dunn is not pushing implo is because Dunn is Scum who knows implo is Town. Right?
But you are -supposedly- Town too, so why is Dunn pushing you?

I don’t know why don’t you ask Dunnstral

He didn't come up with that silly reasoning! YOU DID.

VOTE: Mini

Seriously, this is not even close to being cooperative. Like, if I was scum with you I'd be voting you here still. Honest.

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Follower
N1 followed STD and they went nowhere

FSKR CLAIM! Mini obviously just looked at the list of available roles and picked one.

Why? Because if she did receive that ROLE PM, she would have known Follower =/= Tracker. Follower gets what the target DID, not where they went.

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*FAKE

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You could be the traitor or the other scum and you had your buddy do the kill it doesn't clear you

Yes, indeed. He could have been the "other Scum" that we already eliminated on D1.

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instinctively i don't believe it, but happy to wait for a counterclaim. and still want Implosion to claim obviously.

You don't need to wait for a CC. It's an OBVIOUS fake claim. As obvious as claiming PGO in a Normal.

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would scum pretend to not know how many scum there are? i have a lot of confused feels right now

They obviously just did.

[Almost50]

We wait for implosion to claim before doing anything, of course.

I don't see the need to. I say we just lim the lying caught Scum here (just in case) and we can get implo's claim tomorrow

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Well at least you dont have to worry about eliminating me tomorrow now cause ill be the nk for tonight

yes i do like this scenario actually. if mini survives tonight, elim tomorrow.

No. We should be eliminating her today. She's CAUGHT SCUM. (You don't think the MOD was sloppy enough to send her a result of "Went Nowhere" instead of "Did Nothing", do you?)

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We should not be speculating on the claim until everyone checks in and we see if there's a counterclaim, and until implosion claims.

For the love of GOD. She didn't even use the one possibly confusing result of "You Saw Nothing" (which could have been the case if Mod followed the exact wording of the Wiki). Instead, she specified WENT NOWHERE, which is DEFINITELY NOT what she would get as a Follower.

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P-edit: THANK YOU @Dunn

[Almost50]

the odds of a CC are pretty high if it's a fakeclaim

Nope. If Scum didn't pick any modifiers the odds of a CC are 25% (because we only have one living PR now of the starting 2). If they did pick a modifier (a) the odds are 50%. Only if they picked TWO modifiers (and opted to give one to the Traitor and have a Goon in the ranks) would it be 75%.

Logically though there is absolutely no benefit to leaving a Goon in your main team and giving your Traitor a modifier (Nea checks for VTs and not just "Vanilla Roles"). I thus can confidently rule out the 75%.

[Almost50]

There probably won't be a direct cc if this is a low power game, but I'd expect there to be another pr

Ther4e has to be one. We start with 2 PRs + one more for every modification Scum pick for themselves.

[Almost50]

So we're waiting on Scipio, Salsa, and A50 to counterclaim/not counterclaim.

Looking back at it, I probably should have just CC'd.

[Almost50]

So we're waiting on Scipio, Salsa, and A50 to counterclaim/not counterclaim.

Looking back at it, I probably should have just CC'd.

A50 can you explain this? Was this not intended to be a soft-CC?

I'd rather leave it to your best judgement.

[Almost50]

Once again: I'll leave that to you better judgement.

The question is: Do you TR me or SR me? If you TR me don't ask silly questions (that you probably know the the answer to). If you SR me go ahead and make a direct case rather than beat around the bush. Finally, if you're Scum.. well GOOD LUCK (cuz you're probably going to need it)

[Almost50]

Like, I made a a case on Mini well before I said that. So how the hell was I soft-CC'ing?

[Almost50]

I fully believed she was lying scum and I wanted to draw the NK, only it occurred to me to do that too late. The elimination itself was NOT a result of that post, but of her bad wording of "went nowhere" which is never what a Follower gets.

[Almost50]

I don't know where I'd be voting today, so I guess I'll sheep chief Pooky

[Almost50]

it's between implo and dunn for me

Like I said, I will sheep you today anyway, but if you want a little peak on the back of my mind I'd say implo still looks Town to me. Dunn I almost always SR until he does something; and so far he did absolutely nothing (and it's getting kind of late for him to join the game if ever intends to)

let's wait for Sergeant Salsa to check in and then pick one of these two to yeet.

Waiting. waiting.. waiting... way-ting...

[Almost50]

If by "strong" you mean "reasoning" I don't have much. It's more of a tone read (things he said in a way I don't see scum!him saying in that manner). That's why I said I'd still sheep you either way.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Dunn

Dunn-Dunn-Dunn-Dunnnnnnnn

[Almost50]

VOTE: Pooky

Never thought that the CAPTAIN of the Police Department was indeed our Kira. Well done, "Light Yagami "

I guess I should claim now. I am the Nea, and Scipio is a VT, while Pooky is not. My first check was on N_M but he died on the same night. (which is why I got frustrated bc I picked N_M thinking NO WAY he eats a bullet on N1)

[Almost50]

Before anyone asks; I decided to check Pooky for 2 reasons: (1) Him being alive while being "the leader" didn't make much sense to me, and (2) the flips were too confusing to me I decided to flip my own read list and work from the top.

[Almost50]

he even claims an innocent on scipio and a guilty on me right after scipio says he is paranoid of me omg u cant make up how obvious this is.

You forgot my check on N_M on N1. Is that not sus to you too??

[Almost50]

Salsa -> me -> Scipio for the remaining claim order?

UNVOTE:

Just preventing a scenario where another Townie votes Pooky and then he Scum claims and self-votes for another Townie who isn't reading to just hammer before we complete our massclaiming.

[Almost50]

well then

Who do you think is the last Scum? I am asking because -right now- you are the only one I am 100% sure about.

[Almost50]

salsa>implo>s_s imo, although I'm not confident in this

Salsa?? I thought you said she was likely Town! What caused you to change your read there??

[Almost50]

after you saw dunn shitpush mmb out the door on D2 why didn't you check Dunn?

Was gonna respond next but I see Scipio gave you the answer.

[Almost50]

salsa>implo>s_s imo, although I'm not confident in this

Salsa?? I thought you said she was likely Town! What caused you to change your read there??

it's ordered from town to scum, sry

Oh, OK.

[Almost50]

hm

the only thing I find a bit weird is that a50 tried to NK bait by ‘soft’ ccing mini which wouldn’t make sense to do as a PR. A50, can you explain?

I can now. A bit too preemptive, but if I go on further it could result in a town loss.

My actual guilty was on SALSA, not Pooky. HOWEVER, I wanted to take a shot in the dark and reaction test Pooky (just in case). I am not 100% confident still, but I think his reaction is more Townie than not.

Your question here pings me as Town too. Let's take this one step at a time:

1- Scum already know how many TPRs are left alive. If 0 they know my claim is BS, and if 1 they found their final NK target.

2- Based on the above; S_S is Town by virtue of calling for the mass claim after I fake claimed

3- ALSO Scipio is Town because Scum have no incentive to throw shade on what they already know/think is a fake/true TPR claim. Either way "their job" is being done for them.

4- Scum will be more reluctant than Town top actually VOTE Pooky here. They have a winning situation if one more vote is casted on Pooky and they can then quick hammer. UNFORTUNATELY; I didn't get to test that and will have to abort my gambit prematurely, but I think I got what I needed.

So Salsa + implo is my soleve.

@Pooky: I can't believe YOU fell for THAT. I mean, you did know it was a bluff, but I'm surprised you failed to see what it was done for.

[Almost50]

theres no way this is a town thing to do in what fantasy world does town play this way

Proof you don't even come close to knowing my play, dude. I'll be using this as evidence in future games.

[Almost50]

theres no way this is a town thing to do in what fantasy world does town play this way

I mean... you have met A50 before, right?

^^^

EVen more surprised S_S knows me more than Pooky (I've been playing with Pooky for like 5-6 consecutive games now)

[Almost50]

ive literally never seen any1 fake a guilty as town in mylo before what

You did now.

[Almost50]

i still think it's odd that he wasn't NKed

I do too. tbh, but "maybe" it was done precisely to set him up? I dunno. I just "feel" (GOD, I HATE to use this word in Mafia) like if he was Scum he would have reacted in a different way. I just can't explain it in words.

[Almost50]

I don't think No Lim is the way to go, but... I am only one vote out of six.

@implo: I very much doubt scum would pick a PR to give to the Traitor and keep one of them (the flipped) as a Goon. It made no sense to me, so I expect to be the last PR alive.

[Almost50]

i'm confused now

Umm... after the nk1, it was/is almost cleared that the scum team didn't take any PR role for them (?), which means the town only had 2 PRs those are already dead. I don't even understand what role you claimed but nice try you know!

what does this mean

She's saying I am fake claiming.

[Almost50]

I also don't see why I need to check anyone else. The "Traitor" returns a "VT" result to Ne (unless they did get a PR which is something I don't think is true). Like, if I checked everyone alive -other than Salsa- I would get "Vanilla Town", so what's the point?

[Almost50]

Check the Traitor's wiki page (and note that this is an OPEN not a NORMAL)

[Almost50]

The Traitor may give negative results to Cops (that is, they show up like Townies would). This hearkens back to the earliest interpretation of the Traitor, called the Mafia Spy.
The Mafia Spy shows up as Town to Cops, but the Mafia can "call them back" at any time to make them full members of the Mafia at any time. (Obviously, the Mafia would know that the Mafia Spy exists.)

[Almost50]

neapolitan is

not a cop

besides. Function-wise it's closer to a role

cop

/vanilla

cop

.

What??

OK..

@MOD: In this game; if a Neapolitan visits the Traitor (and the Traitor is not recruited), do they get VT or No VT?

[Almost50]

Please nobody hammer the No Elim until the mod responds and I comment on the response, THANK YOU

[Almost50]

Also, IF S_S is spot on then what tricked me was the "show up like Townies would" as opposed to a simple "show up as Town". The phrasing lead me to believe it was about "various types of results" thus "all types of Cops".

[Almost50]

then why did you say i was 100% cleared...?

I didn't check until now (after implo asked to be checked, so it hit me and went to check the wiki)

[Almost50]

I'll be back in 12-16 hours and then we can decide. (Hopefully the mod will have responded by then)

[Almost50]

Because you can't have a Serial Killer in a 13-players Normal. Because you can have Mafia & WWs in a 13-players Open. Because you can have a flipless setup in an Open. Basically because an Open isn't necessar4ily Normal (and often isn't).

[Almost50]

And even if it does then your proposition doesn't make any sense still because Scum won't let me confirm another player's alignment, so I'm the NK 100% of the time.

[Almost50]

Like the only reason one (YOU) would assume I can get a result on them and live to announce it is if I canNOT guilty the Traitor. Otherwise I'm dead any way you slice it.

[Almost50]

neapolitan is

not a cop

besides. Function-wise it's closer to a role

cop

/vanilla

cop

.

What??

OK..

@MOD: In this game; if a Neapolitan visits the Traitor (and the Traitor is not recruited), do they get VT or No VT?

No VT

Ok, then. This is my final case: (No BS, no gimmicks I promise):

Salsa seemed to be the ONLY ONE who KNEW I was bluffing, and was dead certain there were only 2 TPRs and they both flipped:

Umm... after the nk1, it was/is almost cleared that the scum team didn't take any PR role for them (?), which means the town only had 2 PRs those are already dead. I don't even understand what role you claimed but nice try you know!

She has also expressed confusion about the Nea and how it works (and was confused about the setup mechanics in early game, which leads me to believe she's inexperienced).

Now ask yourselves why she unvotes me and votes No Elim when I am explicitly stating a guilty on her slot. She suspected me and voted me in her first post, but when I said I had a guilty on her she no longer suspects me???????

Even her latest question about my role:

@Almost50, the result of your visit is not just alignment, but the (exact) role?

doesn't make sense from a Town PoV. I am saying I have a GUILTY on her, she was resigned to the fact she got caught and went for the No Elim, but when she got confused she went back to questioning how it worked (thus showing BELIEF in my claim).

I RETRACT MY FAKE CLAIM. I AM A VT.

<<-- @Scipio

I was trying a last-ditch gambit to catch scum because we are going nowhere and seem to be drifting towards a town loss anyway.

Now someone does the math, see how it all works from their own PoV. My vote is on Salsa and won't move. You guys do what you think is best.

VOTE: Salsa

[Almost50]

I see my case is poorly phrased as always. I am relying on those who know me though to understand it. You've seen my gibberish before and could decipher it with some precision.

[Almost50]

Because you (plural) nay reconsider knowing I cannot produce a result tomorrow, and scum are likely going to let me live to make me look sus when I live through the night

[Almost50]

Besides, I am NOT BIN FAVOUR OF NO LIM to begin with. I thought that was obvious. You only no lim when you don't know what to do next. I think we lim Salsa today and no lim tomorrow

[Almost50]

Scipio was correct.. why would I bait the NK as a Nea?

ALSO, reread my VOTE: 1194 and you'd see it was OBVIOUS I was a VT.

1- Scum already know how many TPRs are left alive. If 0

they know my claim is BS

, and if 1 they found their final NK target.

Why would I even say that if I was Nea? Wouldn't the later part have sufficed?

Scipio is Town because Scum have no incentive to throw shade on what they already know/think is a fake/true TPR claim. Either way "their job" is being done for them.

Same as above. Why consider "fake" at all if I was Nea?

Scum ALREADY KNEW IT WAS A BLUFF (AT least the main Scum did). so me going into the night with that fake claim would have been only detrimental to Town and not Scum.

Do you think Salsa is main scum or traitor?

Who the hell cares? We need to lim them both to win. Gun-to-my-head she's probably the main Scum because she seemed confident there were only 2 TPRs here, but it still could've been her guessing what that the main team picked no modifiers.

[Almost50]

Also a "minor" glitch in the No Lim option: IF Scum did pick "Recruiter" (that would mean we do have a living PR and explains why "someone else" bought my fake claim, although I still find that of very minimal probability) then the Recruiter shoots the traitor and recruits them. Not only do they get to "instruct" them on what to do next, but we are actually in this very same situation (4 vs 2) tomorrow,, AGAIN.

The problem NOW with them NOT BEING ABLE TO TALK is they cannot plan to vote in quick succession to get the win. Communication is the key to get this done.

But -as I said- I don't think Scum picked any modifiers, so this was me arguing theory. Do what you all think is best.

[Almost50]

I already said it was implosion

So Salsa + implo is my soleve.

Although the recent pages have pros and cons for him to be scum at all. I am not as confident in my read on implo as I am on Salsa

And to be absolutely frank it still could be you. You were the one that suggested Mo-Elim iirc, and Salsa sheeped that precise suggestion when it was obvious she neither understands the roles/setup nor is she reading. That and you putting her at the top of your TRs rubs me the wrong way.

[Almost50]

Btw, my solve is:

Scum:

Almost50

Traitor: {

Scipio1, implosion

}

(mainly based on my gut + I townread the rest of 2.)

If I'm wrong, then the traitor is between

Something_Smart

and

PookytheMagicalBear

.

Perfect solve. Well, at least you did single3 me out as main Scum.

But let's play some more.. why do you think Scum!me did what I did today? Why claim a guilty on Pooky, then retract and say it's on you, and then retract again and claim VT; all when it looked like we're not eliminating anyway? And why would I ask for the No-Yeet to be put on hold until the mod responds when I could have asked and got my answer 9assuming I didn't do that earlier) in private. What exactly does Scum!me gain from all this??

[Almost50]

Cool. Now why did I retract my guilty on you too then??

[Almost50]

This doesn't answer my direct (and really simple- question. And claiming you don't understand what the "guilty" term means in a mafia game is laughable and is "overdoing it" to be honest, but I will play still:

I said I was a Nea who got a NOT VANILLA result on you. THAT is a GUILTY result. You claim that I am trying to lim you because I think you're an easy lim (although I still fail to understand why Scum!me would voice out the fact you are inexperienced AND try to use this to get you "mislimmed" as you claim. Wouldn't it have been more convenient for me to not point out you were inexperienced?), but regardless.. if I was trying to get you "mislimmed" as "the easy target" then why did I come clean and retract my Nea claim (and thus the guilty I claimed on you) when the game would have ended tonight anyway if that was the case?

[Almost50]

Also, you're setting a trap beside me. Town!you will not be this much blinded in this mylo situation. For some reason, either you think

implosion

(or maybe

Scipio1

) is the traitor, so I'm definitely the

confirmed miselimination

you're looking for (cause to eliminate

Something_Smart/PookytheMagicalBear

will be tough in this situation),

or(!)

, you maybe think I'll flip traitor, and the flip will give you towncred, you can survive longer.

So, I think any of the 3 can be traitor and you think any of the 4 you mentioend earlier is the traitor, and you call this a solve. Right? You are basically not sure of anything. whether it be about your own reads or about mine. The only thing you seem to be precise about is that I am the other "main Scum', who -for some odd reason- decided to bus his partner (Artemiana) on D1, and THEN acted scummy enough to mislim a TPR on D2 and hammer a townie on D3 (basically throwing away ANY Town cred I might have garnered earlier), and -to top it all off- decided it was a good idea to fake claim, change my fake claim, and then come clean and retract my fake claims when the game was going in the NO LIM direction (not even my elimination. No. NO ELIMINATION).

Would you please sign on your statement up there??

[Almost50]

^^This is but another scum indicative post by implo. He also knows me well enough to think I'd do what I did as Scum. Like, only Scipio and Salsabil here are not familiar with my play. Everyone else has played several times with me before (and some most recently) and implo even modded me a good number of times (S_S did too, but I think I played more implo-modded games)

[Almost50]

But you do acknowledge that it's Town-indicative of me. Right? If yes, then why would you wish you could policy a town slot in MyEo?? And why wouldn't you even state that you do (think it's town-indicative) along with your wish?

Put another way: "He's Town alright, but I wish I could policy him just the same" doesn't equal "I wish I could policy him". Does it?

[Almost50]

I ain't got nothing to say here.

[Almost50]

Btw, will we go for no-elimination again today?

Of course we will. Maybe the remaining scum will shoot themselves now.

Real Talk: We now know scum didn't pick recruiter either. It looks like they actually picked no modifications. Now WHO KNEW THAT? S_S sure didn't (if he did and called for a massclaim then WELL DONE). Implo is nclear because Pooky voted him TWICE. Scipio -iirc- also bought my (fake) claim. The only player who

knew

I was faking was salsabil.

I will hold my vote for now for more discussion, but I do really think it's just salsabil. (Come on, people. Give me a chance to have GOOD READS for once)

[Almost50]

we are definitely going off-wagon for the elim today.

VC 1.17

Not voting (2):

Something_Smart, implosion

Not_Mafia (1):

Minimegabyte

Dunnstral (1):

Salsabil Faria

Battle Mage (1):

Artemiana

Artemiana (7) (HAMMER)

:

Battle Mage, Not_Mafia, PenguinPower, PookyTheMagicalBear, Scipio1, Almost50, Save The Dragons

Something_Smart (1):

Dunnstral

With 7 votes, Artemiana has been eliminated. They were a

Spoiler:

Mafia Goon

[/spoiler]

Night 1 ends in (expired on 2021-03-20 00:21:14)

Who do you suspicious of most from the off-wagon?

This is probably what tricked salsabil into shooting Pooky.

[Almost50]

VC 2.1

Not voting (5):

Minimegabyte, Scipio1, Something_Smart, PookytheMagicalBear, Almost50

Minimegabyte (2):

Dunnstral, implosion

implosion (3):

Battle Mage, Save The Dragons, Salsabil Faria

(expired on 2021-04-05 02:51:02) until deadline

You missed

PookyTheMagicalBear

's vote

Mod

.

are you voting implo then?

I should vote implo

VOTE: implosion

let's get this done

Not a strong piece evidence, but who the hell keeps track of who voted whom in this setup (other than one's own vote). << I do realize salsa (as a goon) wouldn't know Pooky is the traitor (if she did she wouldn't have shot him), so that's a lame reason to vote her if used on it's own.

I also am laughing because I suggested we lim her yesterday and if we did we probably would have lost because Pooky would have carried the scum for sure. I wonder why Pooky was shot over -say- me (the strongest advocator for salsabil's yeet). I guess we'll have to wait to post-game discussion to find out.

[Almost50]

That's literally the dumbest thing about Stack the Deck. This setup was supposed to be a fixed version of Stack the Deck :X

S_S spewed a townie from this post too. (again: if you posted this as scum you deserve to win here and I have no qualms with it)

[Almost50]

Not interested at claiming.

Why would a VT say that??

[Almost50]

I'm pretty sure that Pooky is never scum with implosion given the way he gunned for implosion on D2.

So you do agree it's salsabil

....

or scipio

. Yes??

Like the ONLY thing I can find against scipio here is Pooky's call to yeet off Art's wagon, and he wasn't the only one either.

[Almost50]

@implo: Why speak against it when it works directly against him if he is scum? I mean, the "tone" of that post sounds "unpleased" with it

[Almost50]

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

I want to see how you guys (town) save your a** now. GG.

This is the lamest post regardless of your alignment. really.

Of Scum, you seem to have given up (or maybe you are playing the "I am a pissed townie" card??).

If Town, then WHERE IS YOUR SOLVE? Self-voting without making any attempts to defend yourself and/or make a case on someone is BAD PLAY, plain and simple.

MY PERSONA: TAKE: Salsa feels bad already for having shot her traitor, and has indeed given up. Given that we are 4-1 now I have no problem removing her anyway, and IF I am mistaking then we still have another shot tomorrow.

VOTE: salsabil

(I don't really remember if I had already done that, but if I did then this is my confirmation)

[Almost50]

O don't really care. If that's her "Town" play I don't want her in E-Lo

[Almost50]

@Scipio: Yeah, I'm a genius, but I'm not getting my due respect on this site.

[Almost50]

@implo: I am wide open to considering your case on S_S. It

could

be that Pooky was indeed trying to hint to his scum team that he knows who they are.

That said, if we do yeet S_S today and he flips green (hypothetically speaking), who would you consider next (if you are alive by tomorrow).

For me it's either Salsabil (my own solve) or S_S (I can't argue against implosion's case). I won't fight "tooth & nail" for one over the other.

UNVOTE:

@Scipio: What do you think about implo's PoV?

[Almost50]

@S_S: It could be that, or it could be they didn't pock up on that crumb and thought I was their traitor from yesterday's fiasco.

P.S. Yes, I'm shamelessly trying to take credit of the Scum shooting their own traitor. Let me live the moment if you will.

[Almost50]

iirc you did .. indirectly.. in 1200, and you even hinted at me being Traitor on 1216

[Almost50]

Well, I dunno anymore. If it's not you then it has to be Salsabil (regardless of what she calls me next). Like, if she is Town -hypothetically- she is blaming me for her own incompetency. I must've missed the PM that instructed me to to teach her to play the game before she joins it.

Like, did

I

make her post 522? Or did I instruct her to vote Dunn on D1? Or maybe I am the one who told her to play the game without understanding the roles/setup?? Or maybe I made her post something as meaningless as 1264?? God, I must've taught her all the wrong moves here 9regardless of her alignment).

But anyway, I am back to voting Salsabil

VOTE: Salsabil

IF this is wrong then I guess it's you (S_S) and I'll accept I got only 2 of the 3 scums.

[Almost50]

I am on 2 minds now. I could insist on Salsabil and own the result (win or loss), or I could go S_S and blame implo if that's wrong.

Also, I Scipio's noy voting. S_S os not voting. Either could have hammered Salsabil with not much of a backlash. I don't even whether to take that as a sign of hesitant town or sly last scum.

Meanwhile; Salsabil is still self-voting!! (I wish I could summon N_M's spirit here)

Y'know what? Let's try this:

VOTE: S_S

[Almost50]

I am on 2 minds now. I could insist on Salsabil and own the result (win or loss), or I could go S_S and blame implo if that's wrong.

You had your chance to end the game as Salsabil was on E-1 for a long time. I admit I can't figure you out anymore (or maybe I never did in the first place?)

[Almost50]

I mean I don't see the reason to be rushing, especially since it seems like there's still plenty to talk about.

Yet no one's talking (including you).

[Almost50]

That's literally the dumbest thing about Stack the Deck. This setup was supposed to be a fixed version of Stack the Deck :X

If I put you in my PoE later on, or if I forget why I TR you, would you be kind enough as to point me to this post? Thank you

Can I play this card now?

I already brought it up today and implo shot it down.

[Almost50]

*Inhale*
*Exhale*

[Almost50]

WTF is this game? Salsa @E-1 and doesn't get hammered. S_S @E-1 and doesn't get hammered. Neither of them wants to hammer the other and we know there's only one mafioso left, and the alternate to the lim you refuse to hammer is your own.

[Almost50]

I any of S_S/implo/A50 is Scum; why wouldn't they hammer Salsa?
And if either of Salsa/Scipio is Scum; why wouldn't they hammer S_S?

Conclusion: We are all Town, and the "former" Scumster has repented. Case closed.

[Almost50]

hiya SS and A50! been a minute

And hello implosion n Scipio as well!

Hi there. IF you're Town; I sure hope you can convince me. Unfortunately your predecessor couldn't.

[Almost50]

I am ashamed to admit that I also forgot it was N_M that got shot on N1 and not PP. This "may" convince me it wasn't Salsa, because "why the hell would anyone shoot N_M if they don't know N_M?"

I am on S_S already, so there's not much I can do in this regard. implo -in my own PoV- is 100% clear (an additional reason is him going against the flow and pushing S_S instead of just accepting the Salsa lim)

[Almost50]

Why's implo clear for you?

I have a VERY fragile memory, so I don't remember, but I'm sure I posted my reasons earlier. The one reason I do remember now is Pooky's persistence on pushing implo from the get go (and through D2). but I think I had more reasons too.

[Almost50]

Not I

[Almost50]

Lesson learnt: If I make a joke push on D1 I should push it all the way.