they are the 2 wagons i wanna see for now. we can see where they lead.In post 723, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I'd kill Implo over SS any day of the week tho I'm not even sure I want to limit the elim to those two slots.
Sure... but this is how I always am. Artemiana was wagoned while V/LA without any chance to defend herself. Then when she came back she decided not to participate, which is of course a different matter.In post 717, Battle Mage wrote:exactly - you're not pushing anyone. All you've done is defend Artemiana and try to buy the slot more time, and now throw the weakest shade at me.
I think the chances of scum in this position not wanting to rock the boat with too many scumreads is HIGH.
That's silly. That will just teach people to never defend anyone rather than actually learn to distinguish good arguments from bad.In post 725, Battle Mage wrote:always punish players who defend scum.
I don't agree that you actually narrowed the field. literally nobody would have read your post and thought that was a strong basis to not consider late bussers, therefore it was more presentational than meaningful.In post 727, Something_Smart wrote:Sure... but this is how I always am. Artemiana was wagoned while V/LA without any chance to defend herself. Then when she came back she decided not to participate, which is of course a different matter.In post 717, Battle Mage wrote:exactly - you're not pushing anyone. All you've done is defend Artemiana and try to buy the slot more time, and now throw the weakest shade at me.
I think the chances of scum in this position not wanting to rock the boat with too many scumreads is HIGH.
And I would never be strongly pushing a scumread this early in the game, as either alignment.
(Also, I'm not sure I agree with the claim that scum would be sitting around doing nothing right now. They're in a pretty terrible spot and so I would think they'd need to try to establish mis-exes before town gets its shit together, rather than narrowing the field, as Pooky said.)
the case was weak, but that doesn't really matter. what matters is plenty of folk went with it, and you didn't. You don't think scum bussed, so who do you suppose is scum? Implosion?In post 728, Something_Smart wrote:That's silly. That will just teach people to never defend anyone rather than actually learn to distinguish good arguments from bad.In post 725, Battle Mage wrote:always punish players who defend scum.
When Artemiana was first run up, the case on her was incredibly weak. Doesn't matter that she was scum. The only solid evidence came when she came back from V/LA and then refused to participate.
I mean, if the other main scum was off wagon, they've probably got a short life expectancy anyway. But yeah, that is a fair point.In post 729, Battle Mage wrote:I also don't agree good scum strategy here would be to start actively and conspicuously pushing for mis-elims - especially if they weren't even on the wagon, as you weren't. it would be a short life expectancy play so early.
Why does that matter? I would never join a wagon based on a case that weak.In post 730, Battle Mage wrote:the case was weak, but that doesn't really matter. what matters is plenty of folk went with it, and you didn't.
Mini, implosion, STD, Dunn are the people I'm looking at, roughly in that order.You don't think scum bussed, so who do you suppose is scum? Implosion?
my gut feeling is I'm willing to give Mini a pass for today. I think if Mini is actual scum, Mini gives a PR to Artemiana. I'd rather focus on the players who I think would have left the newbie with no power in a game where the gimmick is about scum choosing whatever PRs they want.In post 732, Something_Smart wrote:Why does that matter? I would never join a wagon based on a case that weak.In post 730, Battle Mage wrote:the case was weak, but that doesn't really matter. what matters is plenty of folk went with it, and you didn't.Mini, implosion, STD, Dunn are the people I'm looking at, roughly in that order.You don't think scum bussed, so who do you suppose is scum? Implosion?
because I'm fairly sure the setup doesn't have scum pick town roles, it just has them effectively pick how many there will be. Or I guess the phrasing in OP is a little ambiguous since it does say some are granted by mafia but it also says some are granted randomly so they wouldn't have safe fakeclaims either way.But Pooky might be the sort of clever so-and-so to just pick 1 or 2 super powerful PRs to leave a fakeclaim available.
Agree.Pooky wrote:I like Salsa's enthusiasm
the shit is very +Town
Remember there might be a traitor; it's possible for goon to be a very important role in this setup.Battle Mage wrote:Artemiana being so pissed off makes me think it slightly more likely they were being bussed. especially because like, the player was just a goon, so it wasn't that big a deal for them to eat one.
This is actually mostly accurate (though I wouldn't call her a "premier townread" initially, those original reads were me desperately trying to get something to happen in a game that was only fluff). I just didn't want the wagon to go fast; as I said, there was still a lot of time left in the day and lots of people who still needed to contribute. There was, in my mind, no reason to wagon Artemiana that hard *yet*, because eliminating her would be too early and pressuring her harder didn't seem useful until she was back from v/la.Battle Mage wrote:Implosion's ISO is real interesting - just looking through, lots of references to Artemania - originally premier townread somehow, and although acknowledges 1 scummy post, Implosion does more than anybody to try and subtly protect Artemania from the sidelines.
The first statement here, I have two problems with. One, less importantly, I just disagree that you can read that strongly into how someone would distribute PRs. Do you have extensive experience with MiniMegabyte? Where are you getting the idea that she's the kind of person who would want to load scum with PRs? Second and more importantly, this doesn't disqualify her from being scum even if correct, because she could be a traitor (or a recruited traitor) who'd have no say over how PRs were chosen.In post 733, Battle Mage wrote:my gut feeling is I'm willing to give Mini a pass for today. I think if Mini is actual scum, Mini gives a PR to Artemiana. I'd rather focus on the players who I think would have left the newbie with no power in a game where the gimmick is about scum choosing whatever PRs they want.
I also think if Mini is scum, town pretty much always wins this game now, so there's no rush to do that elim. Maybe one for tomorrow.
Perhaps they can, but that requires them to both know who the traitor is and sacrifice a kill, with pretty disastrous consequences if they're wrong.In post 734, implosion wrote:That said I'm not sure why S_S is acting like scum can't recruit the traitor? In my mind recruiting the traitor is the #1 powerup for scum to pick.
By way of rebuttal:In post 736, implosion wrote:The first statement here, I have two problems with. One, less importantly, I just disagree that you can read that strongly into how someone would distribute PRs. Do you have extensive experience with MiniMegabyte? Where are you getting the idea that she's the kind of person who would want to load scum with PRs? Second and more importantly, this doesn't disqualify her from being scum even if correct, because she could be a traitor (or a recruited traitor) who'd have no say over how PRs were chosen.In post 733, Battle Mage wrote:my gut feeling is I'm willing to give Mini a pass for today. I think if Mini is actual scum, Mini gives a PR to Artemiana. I'd rather focus on the players who I think would have left the newbie with no power in a game where the gimmick is about scum choosing whatever PRs they want.
I also think if Mini is scum, town pretty much always wins this game now, so there's no rush to do that elim. Maybe one for tomorrow.
The second statement here, basically amounts to "I think MiniMegabyte will be eliminated before the game ends", which, i mean, why not do it now so that we can go into future days with more information when we eliminate people that we're less sure we're going to eventually eliminate ?
I'm pretty sure this is right because I doubt Artemiana would fakeclaim a PR that she knew would get CC'ed.In post 734, implosion wrote:because I'm fairly sure the setup doesn't have scum pick town roles, it just has them effectively pick how many there will be. Or I guess the phrasing in OP is a little ambiguous since it does say some are granted by mafia but it also says some are granted randomly so they wouldn't have safe fakeclaims either way.
You're more liberal with townbinning than I am, heh. I do want to re-read Salsabil, but on previous experience Salsabil can look pretty scummy as town, and the vibe I get from the player here is similar, so gut leans town. I think Pooky's slot probably resolves itself in due course - I certainly wouldn't locktown it, but it's not a priority for today.In post 735, implosion wrote:Right now I'm inclined to townbin, roughly but not strongly in order of strength: Salsabil, Pooky, Battle Mage, STD, A50.
I think the biggest thing here is that it feels like she's scum who decided to pick one or two things she could safely comment on and then just ignored everything else. Compare the first towngame I randomly clicked on here (she replaced out on day one but was there for about as long as this d1 lasted) where she had a post (317 in that game) where she literally had a quote wall of 26 quotes to catch up to everything that had happened in that game. She then named 3 people as scum and then engaged consistently over the next 4ish pages and, critically, over a period of just over 2 real-life hours. This game she has shown none of this kind of engagement. Seriously, just look at her ISO's posting patterns. Look at the timestamps, look at the post numbers. The literal only response that she's given to someone in the moment was her most recent post where I directly asked her a question. She has a couple of strings of posts that are near each other in time, but they're all her posting several timesI hate day one that’s why I don’t post much I read though but don’t feel like I have anything worth posting or anything
which is just, untrue. In that other game she listed 3 people as scum on day one, unprompted.MiniMegabyte wrote:Im not really one for putting reads directly out there
I don't think either of those are townslips by me. Yes, I'm not even sure I understand now how the traitor mechanic works, but that's because I'm a moron, not because I'm necessarily town. Although I guess it suggests I'm not a traitor, since I'd have a role PM for it. Although maybe I shouldn't say that as it helps scum narrow down who the traitor is.In post 734, implosion wrote:multiple people have townslipped or fake-townslipped... Salsabil with, well, most of what she's doing kind of (her seemingly having not thought for a moment what the setup looks like from scum perspective). Battle Mage twice, once with not knowing traitor mechanics and more significantly here:
because I'm fairly sure the setup doesn't have scum pick town roles, it just has them effectively pick how many there will be. Or I guess the phrasing in OP is a little ambiguous since it does say some are granted by mafia but it also says some are granted randomly so they wouldn't have safe fakeclaims either way.But Pooky might be the sort of clever so-and-so to just pick 1 or 2 super powerful PRs to leave a fakeclaim available.
Was the bold your attempt at a townslip? You pretending not to know that there is a traitor in the setup?In post 734, implosion wrote:RememberBattle Mage wrote:Artemiana being so pissed off makes me think it slightly more likely they were being bussed. especially because like, the player was just a goon, so it wasn't that big a deal for them to eat one.there might be a traitor; it's possible for goon to be a very important role in this setup.
That said I'm not sure why S_S is acting like scum can't recruit the traitor? In my mind recruiting the traitor is the #1 powerup for scum to pick. We need to temper assumptions around the existence or non-existence of a traitor until later in the game post-massclaim (if it even lasts that long).
Stretching credulity here! ....2 lurkers? i know you can do better than that. Join me on Implo! Trust me, I'll give you a clean sweep!In post 743, Scipio1 wrote:I'm also hard mindmelding with a lot of S_S's posts
imo the pool for today is {Mini, Dunnstral, maybe implo} in that order.
Like I mentioned I was confusing this setup with the old version of stack the deck.In post 745, Battle Mage wrote:Was the bold your attempt at a townslip? You pretending not to know that there is a traitor in the setup? Stretching credulity here!