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[mastina]

don't think flakes is necessarily town but he's being a lot bolder this game which is... something?

pedit: i mean i guessssss but performative for flakes (uncrowned) idk if thats actually a scummy thing

maybe uncrowned is fishing

agar is null for me

lean town:

iv, agar, luca, titus

scum remnants:

bell, ythan, jjh, flakes, a50

im willing to bet the game on
me, dunn, agar, ceph, iv, xtoxm, maybe ythan all being town here. that's 7. we have 15 people alive, i think if i find like 1 or 2 more townies then i dont really care about who we eliminate as long as we just cull from the bottom

can we all be friends and rate my towncore
me, dunn, agar, ceph, iv, xtoxm, ythan
add a couple more names collectively and then i really dont care who we kill as long as we just start chaining down the list

flakes u need to do better catching up sorry, i am underwhelmed

well now that ythan is a lot more clearly town, agar's vote on a50 in retrospect is incredibly townie esp considering that agar was voting ythan beforehand
even if its moving from town to town, that's just unnecessary stuff from him so i feel comfortable enough

So you think scum never move from one town wagon to another unless absolutely necessary? That seems really weak to me. also:

im willing to bet the game on
me, dunn, agar, ceph, iv, xtoxm,

maybe ythan

all being town here. that's 7. we have 15 people alive, i think if i find like 1 or 2 more townies then i dont really care about who we eliminate as long as we just cull from the bottom

You had already townbinned Agar here, when you weren't yet sure on Ythan. Your progression doesn't quite add up, unless I'm missing something?

i already townleaned agar so as my ythan opinion rose, so did my agar opinion
was more comfortable townbinning agar at that moment

so if you truly believe that, agar is town and you have to unvote him

im convinced
VOTE: agar[\vote]

(This was a deliberately broken vote.)

im convinced
VOTE: agar[\vote]

is that a real vote
idk on AGar anymore either, he's back in my PoE, even though he's playing quite differently from his one recent scumgame and sort of being his town!tunnelly self i guess that just doesn't mean much

votes are a societal construct
that being said agar is in my townpool

jjh is at 2 votes and iv just expressed apprehension about keeping his vote there - are you really claiming this agar vote has anything to do with jjh's wagon?

Fair warning: will be fairly V/LA due to lifeguard training stuff. Can post right now tho, so...

No one ever fucking considered that scum might *gasp*

lie

.

To be fair. I presented doubt towards Titus for that exact reason. However. This is a roleclaim that will literally be confirmed by another player. It's not something scum will lie about, especially not in the way Hopkirk did. The evolution of the claimed result was incredibly genuine.
VOTE: AGar
I'd actually prefer OkaPoka > Bell > AGar > WinterFlakes so AGar's not my first choice, but he's infinitesimally a better elimination than jjh and has a high chance of flipping scum, soooooooo.

are we going to ignore how bad this post is

Look at the gamestate when mastina voted AGar. AGar was at 4 votes and jjh was at 2, except AGar was also a building wagon and jjh had you expressing uncertainty.

So what mastina is basically saying is she wants to vote her third scumread rather than pushing me or bell because she is scared of jjh being eliminated? Mind you we had 10 days left on the deadline as well so this isn't a deadline thing. And we know mastina doesn't like playing politics, she explicitly said so d1 if you remember. So why is she putting AGar @ e2, scumread n3 with so much time left on the deadline? Well, I think it's because she's just trying to pull a fast one tbh, disguising it as 'protecting' jjh is extremely wolfy imo because its a lie. JJH doesn't need protection, she's not playing politics, she's openwolfing it.

(I could quote more of Oka's Chainsaw Defense of AGar here if you'd like but I think you get the idea.)

VOTE: jjh
i think this is worse than winter flakes and thus bottom

Pretty much speaks for itself imo for why AGar's a higher-probability scumbuddy than Winter Flakes.

[mastina]

Vote Count 1.4

the worst

(2): jjh927, Winter Flakes

Not Voting

(2): Titus, AGar

Vote Count 1.12

the worst

(2): jjh927, Winter Flakes

Hopkirk

(2): Almost50, AGar

Vote Count 1.14

the worst

(6): jjh927, Winter Flakes, Titus, Cephrir, OkaPoka, Dannflor

Hopkirk

(2): Almost50, AGar

Vote Count 1.17

the worst

(3): Winter Flakes, Titus, Cephrir

Hopkirk

(1): AGar

Vote Count 1.19

Ythan

(8): OkaPoka, Luca Blight, Dannflor, Cephrir, Lady Lambdadelta, Titus, AGar, innocentvillager

Bell

(1): Winter Flakes

Vote Count 2.5

Almost50

(3): Xtoxm, Ythan, AGar

Luca Blight

(2): Bell, Winter Flakes

Vote Count 2.10 (FINAL)

Luca Blight

(8): Winter Flakes, Dunnstral, OkaPoka, Titus, Almost50, Bell, Cephrir, Luca Blight

Almost50

(2): AGar, Ythan

Overall Winter Flakes has a much better vote history.

Vote Count 3.6

AGar

(4): Hopkirk, Almost50, Titus, mastina

mastina

(3): OkaPoka, AGar, Bell

jjh927

(1): Winter Flakes

While here, both are voting town, note that AGar's company is literally two flipped scum and that I was explicitly a counterwagon to AGar (whose wagon peaked at 5 votes).

[Cephrir]

fine

VOTE: agar

Eat at Arby's in Hell.

[implosion]

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B'hrian Bloodaxe, the first Low King of the dwarfs, killed fifty-seven trolls in the legendary Battle of Koom Valley on Discworld (a fictional world created by author Terry Pratchett)
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Vote Count 5.3

AGar

(5): mastina, Hopkirk, jjh927, Titus, Cephrir

Not Voting

(3): AGar, Winter Flakes, Ythan

With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to eliminate.

[implosion]

AGar has been eliminated on Day Five. He was a

Vanilla Townie

.

It is now Night Five. Actions are due by Sunday at 6:00 PM PST, in (expired on 2021-03-21 21:00:00).

[implosion]

jjh927 has been killed on Night Five. He was a

Town Universal Backup

.

It is now Day Six. Deadline is set for 2 weeks from now, Sunday the 4th at 11:00 PM PST, in (expired on 2021-04-05 02:00:00). With 6 alive, it takes 4 votes to eliminate.

[Ythan]

Mornin y'all

[mastina]

Awwww I wanted to be right on 3 scum.

Ah, well.

VOTE: Winter Flakes

[Winter Flakes]

I assume it's Ceph? Infinity thinks the same.

VOTE: Ceph

[Titus]

I need to redo my VCA but it's 4 am and I am real behind on mafia. Sleep, work, then catchup.

[Cephrir]

I assume it's Ceph? Infinity thinks the same.

VOTE: Ceph

You changed your tune rather suddenly, didnt you.

@mastina, can we take today a little slower and make sure we get it right? I feel that we have to get it today as tomorrow you will be dead and I will probably be eliminated.

[Cephrir]

I still don't think it's you or ythan but I want to go over everyone else since this feels like our one shot. I think it probably isn't titus at this point, although I'm far from sure, but I'm no longer convinced it isn't hopkirk.

[Hopkirk]

@WF- when/why did infinity lean towards ceph?

[Hopkirk]

sorry that should read @WF(aAoU)

ceph is giving vibes of playing towards an endgame based on the initial posting today + on reluctance on agar yesterday

[Cephrir]

I need to redo my VCA but it's 4 am and I am real behind on mafia. Sleep, work, then catchup.

[Cephrir]

sorry that should read @WF(aAoU)

ceph is giving vibes of playing towards an endgame based on the initial posting today + on reluctance on agar yesterday

I knew someone would say that and I put it to you that lol shut up. i can read writing on the wall and it's obvious to me that two of you, titus and winter will be happy to vote me tomorrow despite how painfully bleeding obvtown i have been the entire game. i do expect this sort of thing from titus, of course, because she is going to catch me with her sick vca as usual (spoilers: i vote a lot, so vca always concludes that i am scum because it's fucking stupid). i'm realistic enough to plan for that.

I have been townreading agar all game and now we're going to try to make me look bad for being right about it? cool.

[Cephrir]

anyway @mastina please send help and solve this with me today because they'll listen to you. god i can't believe i am saying this please shoot me in the head.

[Cephrir]

vanilla cop enabler is a stupid claim. why are we just accepting that?

[Cephrir]

did a bit of softing because it's fun

it's not a prodge if i throw in some game content right?

this is a pretty brave view,

but what if there's a cop in the game?

that's a role that's allowed in normals. well

that's it for me

.

first soft

post lld flip i still like everyone from the core of lld pushers tbh(/d) (Mastina/Xtoxm/DGB/Herc despite rep leaving)
so most likely gamestate is that scum were happy to let us park there and either doing not much or pushing alternatives too. probably some scum towards the end of LLD given the early push are town independently

Mastina- gut, but i trust my gut on mastina. i've trusted my gut on Mastina over a cop check (

Vanilla cop

checking mafia goon with 1 goon flipped so not a full cop, but you get the idea)
Xtoxm- maybe i'm biased but the stuff with Auro on their server is locktown
Hercule- early game tonal difference natural beyond what i think can be faked

dunn claiming town was useful

(Titus/Innocentvillager/Agar/The Worst/Oka/Jjh/Ceph/Ythan/A50) i should reread at some point
Ceph is probably better than i was viewing yesterday on an LLD townflip
i like+/liked people in there before but i want to reread all of them
Agar prob still scum

i checked that game because i wanted to get the role name right, then decided to intentionally use 'vanilla cop' instead of the actual role (wet rolecop) so that i could point back to this later

role pm didn't specifically say it was an announcing vanilla cop

mastina, is this actually what happened in the aforementioned game?

[Cephrir]

why did it take 2000 posts to get to a soft unless this has to do with the informed info and took a while to plan

[Cephrir]

why is there a vanilla cop in this setup and why is it so good it needs an enabler?

if i'm scum here, why have i spent the entire game shooting all my allies?

[Hopkirk]

looking back, last time i softed (ONS, my game right before this one) i did it 1700 posts in. softing at the very beginning is too obvious. just throw in stuff that becomes obvious in later

what is sort of thing is 'informed' typically of? when i've run it (offsite/irl real time mafia) i just used it as an excuse to give the scumteam a list of town roles/rolenames because themed setup/fakeclaims i think

you haven't been shooting allies? what do you mean?

[Hopkirk]

oh nightkilling dann?

[Cephrir]

with the exception of last night's very obvious kill, every shot in this game has been on someone who was townreading me strongly, and there were always other valid options

[Cephrir]

what is sort of thing is 'informed' typically of?

it can be literally anything afaik.