Titus v Nancy Drew (Game Over)

[Morning Tweet]

Dunn would act night seven, not night six ^^

Also, it assumes every player is town since if a scum dies the game ends and there's no need for the rest of the plan

[Morning Tweet]

My plan has Kid rolestop a PoE player on N6 and has Dunn protect the remaining confirmed town on N7, sooo yeah

[Titus]

Alright. Try it.

[Morning Tweet]

Spoiler: Scum ignores and kills Morning

Morning messages Pink Ball
KidAmn rolestops Pink Ball
Scum kills Morning

Outcome: Morning is dead, no one claims the message

Spoiler: Scum bus drives to sabotage

Morning messages Pink Ball
KidAmn rolestops Pink Ball
Scum bus drives Pink Ball with Pyro
Scum kills Pyro

Outcome: Pink Ball is dead, no one claims the message

Spoiler: Kid kills Pink Ball to sabotage

Morning messages Pink Ball
KidAmn kills Pink Ball

Outcome: Pink Ball is dead, no one claims the message

Spoiler: Kid is scum who ignores and kills Morning

Morning messages Pink Ball
KidAmn kills Morning

Outcome: Morning is dead, Pink Ball claims he received the message

Spoiler: Kid bus drives to kill Morning

Morning messages Pink Ball
KidAmn bus drives Pink Ball and Morning
KidAmn kills Pink Ball

Outcome: Morning is dead, no one claims the message

If Kid is a scum multitasking bus driver, they can redirect the message from the PoE player and into the kill which would mess this up. Unfortunately, the only scenario I can't cover is exactly Kid being a multitasking driver.

So if (say Pink Ball) doesn't receive my message, that means Kid is either rolestopper or multitasking bus driver. So I can't get a perfect clear after all.. maybe i'll think of something better, but atm it's still the most info I can think of getting

[Titus]

@Morning Tweet

I checked the thread. The mod forgot to announce all scum are multitasking.

You're not PoEing my scum.

[Alisae]

Q: Are scum multitasking?
A: Yes.

[Morning Tweet]

I'm glad this is public info rather than something i need to guess about. Kinda seems like Titus doesn't want us to take Kid out of the PoE, but WIFOM so whatever

That would be a funny plan to have scum!Kid self-vote then proceed to have Titus continue to be concerned with what I'm doing to try to save them from being elimed

So the scumteam is essentially completely immune to our protectives and is also capable of ruining my checker ability

:I

[Starcrossed]

Tweetie are you able to message yourself?

[Morning Tweet]

So the scumteam is essentially completely immune to our protectives and is also capable of ruining my checker ability

In other words, i guess actually playing the game to determine scum is required.

In Kid's defense, they and Dunn are not scum together and Kid would have had no way to know to claim Even-Night to corroborate with Dunn's role. I tried disproving this by saying the bus driver seemed to only act on even-nights earlier, but that was actually wrong. So: how does scum!Gamma know to claim that modifier? I don't believe this was ever answered, and surely you would need an answer to this in order to elim Kid?

[Morning Tweet]

Tweetie are you able to message yourself?

possibly, why?

[Starcrossed]

if you message yourself and kidamn rolestops you wouldn't that solve the issue?

[Starcrossed]

actually nah it still wouldn't work I guess.

let's just kill kidamn i don't like his scarf

[Morning Tweet]

how and why did scum!gamma claim even-night?

[Titus]

In other words, i guess actually playing the game to determine scum is required.

Yes. One of my rules was no loyal/disloyal, no cops/gunsmiths (hence the fake), no PT cops. You aren't going to generate enough clears to autowin.

We play to the last man standing, no matter how exhausted and stressed I am, I'm going to fight. No concessions.

[clidd]

In other words, i guess actually playing the game to determine scum is required.

Yes. One of my rules was no loyal/disloyal, no cops/gunsmiths (hence the fake), no PT cops. You aren't going to generate enough clears to autowin.

We play to the last man standing, no matter how exhausted and stressed I am, I'm going to fight. No concessions.

Hum.

[clidd]

Well, my opinion about Kid has not changed. I don't get it why he would be frustrated with how Nancy and others are treating his slot, especially since town is at an advantage and, theoretically, with decent/high levels of morale. We are not under pressure to decide everything correctly today imo.

[clidd]

If I had to draw a parallel between him and me, I was also/am in a very similar situation in the sense of being a practically universal suspect, but this did not at any time negatively influence my behavior, nor change my mood, so why would that happen exclusively with him? We are close to winning and there is only one scum left, so it's not like we're playing in a stressful atmosphere. Kid, on the other hand, chose not to see this and is selectively considering only what is pertinent to his slot and also trying to appeal to the emotional with suggestions of ''you need to reevaluate, you will see that I am right, think more'', rather than rationalizing who he thinks is most likely to be scum and advocating directly for the elimination of that person. His PoE is clearly vague and there is apathy on his part to take a stand.

[clidd]

Unlike 5suf, who demonstrated frustration as town in a different context, where town was not yet secured in a safe position, Kid is in a calm gamestate, with an intuitive pool to work with. There is no reason for him to feel that way.

[Morning Tweet]

In other words, i guess actually playing the game to determine scum is required.

Yes. One of my rules was no loyal/disloyal, no cops/gunsmiths (hence the fake), no PT cops. You aren't going to generate enough clears to autowin.

We play to the last man standing, no matter how exhausted and stressed I am, I'm going to fight. No concessions.

Hm, how'd you manage to get a full Rolecop, full Bus Driver, and 1-shot dayvig then, I wonder?

I like that rule though, i think vigilantes are generally more fun to play with than cop-likes, since it's no fun to lose to mech clears. I do struggle with how town getting no protectives and only a vanilla cop for investigatives was justified, especially considering the only remaining PRs were a vanillizer that could act as an additional scum PR and a vanilla cop

not sure this gives us any clues though because Dunn or Kid being real/fake doesn't really change the setup balance too much

[clidd]

If he only expressed a suspicion about me and filled it out with reasons that he thinks point to scum!Clidd (assuming town!Kid), I would be inclined to dialogue and reevaluate if I realized that the reasoning was starting from a mentality that I judge as towny. But the current instance of neglect does not allow any evaluations of the slot. So.. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Dunnstral]

Also, the last scum is a bus driver -- Kid claims Even-Night Rolestopper. If we can confirm that to be the case, they are very unlikely to be the last scum, no? Why aren't we doing that? I can verify their role with ease.

Oh, that's a good point you know. Both of you target me tonight for example and we see if I get the message.

This doesn't prove anything, mechanically, unfortunately

Whether kidamn is telling the truth or lying, he'd be able to make this message disappear

[Dunnstral]

My one hang up about Dunny is that he didn't feel as annoyed this game. 2 versus games ago he was visibly irritated at pichu and Ydrasse's antics and he got mad at Noraa once or twice. There's been nothing of that sort this game.

Well what am I supposed to feel annoyed about in this game?

This is silly

Dunny, how did your read on Sarah change between the 2nd and 3rd quote? I don't see you state any reads on her in the intermission.

Fey's case

And also, there were a lot of flips between this time, the poe got a lot smaller in my mind

Sara was also in my potential mason pool for a while, if I remember correctly nancy was defending that slot and calling it towny earlier

[Starcrossed]

@Mod

how does bus driver and rolestopper even interact if they target the same player?

Is it just based on who submits the night choice first?

[Dunnstral]

Also, what did Dunn do last night?

I was on starcrossed

[Dunnstral]

if you message yourself and kidamn rolestops you wouldn't that solve the issue?

I doubt tweetie is able to target themself