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[Gretchen]

VOTE: Almost50

don't like playing maf, eh?

[VFP]

lol this vote flop after gera gets close is shady af

Yeah I don't quite understand this one.
If DGB was equal on votes I could understand it, but Llama is basically saying that geraintm is more town than DGB.
Keep in mind that vote isn't DGB lim is better for town, and would purely be DGB is flipping scum more than geraintm.

I don't think a flip would favour Llama here either way now, but looks like the hand has been forced.

If DGB Flips scum, the slot is most likely only a goon given this would have been the NK.
This would mean that Llama plausibly voted geraintm, who may be a scum PR or just the harder scum to lim, now expecting for some distancing actually worried as this lim looked promising.
Making it Llama/ DGB / geraintm (most likely the PR).

If DGB Flips town, then this just makes Llama trying to avoid a lim not only from geraintm, but also from Flea who was Llama's whole go to all day. The problem with voting Flea here though is Llama would be jumping off a larger wagon on to one that has fizzled off, so DGB should be the less suspicious one (it's not).
Making it Llama / geraintm / 3rd (amelie would be a good candidate)

Then to look to be warming up on an A50 vote here, because if its option a, then voting away from both geraintm and DGB would be best. Even trying to move from option B would favour a !Llamascum here too actually.

Either way that swap was desperate and not progressive with reads.

I'm not fully set on that yet, but regardless of a DGB flip keep this heavily in mind.

[LlamaFluff]

@VFP - I think DGB and Gera are both varying degrees of town following how those wagons moved around. DGB flips is *far* more useful than Gera flip, regardless of what it is. I will absolutely vote either if needed, but at this point its almost more of a utilitarian move.

[DrippingGoofball]

@VFP

I assure you I am town. Don't even waste time with "what if DGB" flips red.

[DrippingGoofball]

I am town, gera almost certainly town.

[VFP]

@VFP - I think DGB and Gera are both varying degrees of town following how those wagons moved around. DGB flips is *far* more useful than Gera flip, regardless of what it is. I will absolutely vote either if needed, but at this point its almost more of a utilitarian move.

So why did you vote on geraintm instead of DGB if this lim is more viable?
Keep in mind you moved away from Flea to do so, with the deadline approaching.
Surely if you wanted an option of 2 wagons, you stick to Flea and have DGB as a back up with a no lim alternative?

@VFP

I assure you I am town. Don't even waste time with "what if DGB" flips red.

To make it clear, I'm not saying that you are scum here.
I think you flip town 9/10 times here. However, on a scum flip the motive for Llama has to be addressed.
And even if you think geraintm is town, they have more chance to flip scum than you in your eyes. Given for you (in town argument) flip 0% of the time to their 1%>.
Same for amelie, same for Flea.

There has to be a point where you vote one of these spots in order to stop your lim.

[LlamaFluff]

@VFP - I think DGB and Gera are both varying degrees of town following how those wagons moved around. DGB flips is *far* more useful than Gera flip, regardless of what it is. I will absolutely vote either if needed, but at this point its almost more of a utilitarian move.

So why did you vote on geraintm instead of DGB if this lim is more viable?
Keep in mind you moved away from Flea to do so, with the deadline approaching.
Surely if you wanted an option of 2 wagons, you stick to Flea and have DGB as a back up with a no lim alternative?

Because at that point I was less convinced about his alignment so it could be a good try to move things and figured it was a very good way to get additional information his reaction and who actually followed made me think town. Not sure how after a week that there is little to no movement on any wagons only to quickly have a bunch of people amicable to a new one and then think "yeah thats scum". Also not like Flea was really a viable wagon, if you think he is you are lying. It was pretty clearly an attempt to get a non-DGB wagon moving.

[Amélie]

I'm fine with basically any wagon at this point. Anything to get the day over with except goofball because I think goofball is definitely town. I will no elim over elimming goofball.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

vote for Gera we are running out of time

[LlamaFluff]

Vote Gera

Its closer. Still in forced work from home and deadline is pretty much right at end of day so can move if needed (assuming no impromptu meeting/call/etc). If anyone posts without voting DGB or Gera right now thats a scumtell unless you are going to attach an essay as to why you think they are both so town you think a no lynch is better than going for one of them today.

[RLotus]

VOTE: geraintm

[geraintm]

Catching up this morning. Not sure how much time is left.
I thought the random push from people to me was bad. I don't think dgb is a great elimination, but I know that is likelier to hit scum than me so I went with it.
But let's VOTE: llama and see what happens there, because I ain't happy with them at all.
I would vote dgb if needs be, but something stinks around here and I think llama is more likely (right jow) than dgb

[Not_Mafia]

VC 2.22

PookyTheMagicalBear (0)-

Amélie (0)-

DrippingGoofball (1)-

FleaTheMagician

FleaTheMagician (0)-

geraintm (5)-

VFP, PookyTheMagicalBear, clidd, LlamaFluff, RLotus

(E-1)

Gretchen (1)-

Amélie

VFP (0)-

RLotus (0)-

clidd (1)-

Almost50

LlamaFluff (1)-

geraintm

Almost50 (2)-

DrippingGoofball, Gretchen

Not Voting (0)-

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to Eliminate.

Deadline is

(expired on 2021-03-29 23:59:00)

- Mar 29th 23:59 GMT

[VFP]

I'm fine with basically any wagon at this point. Anything to get the day over with except goofball because I think goofball is definitely town. I will no elim over elimming goofball.

Well, geraintm is at E1.
So feel free to hammer.

[geraintm]

assuming i get hammered, then look at why the other wagons didn't ever get pushed over the line, and who and when the one on me started.
the sudden "geraint isnt contributing anything useful" line that started it could have been raised at any point today, say for example clidd who has been sitting there all day going "geraint is wrong" but only just late on voted for me. the ones earlier on the wagon too, check to see if they were not on any of the bigger wagons and what their reluctance was to joining them

[Flea The Magician]

Ugh I hate all of this. I think DGB and Gera are town now (the amount I hate how much VPF/Clidd are both on Gera is high)... but I think this becomes a more correct move

Vote DGB

If this is scum I think we are in good shape. If this is town I still think there is a ton of information to come from it.

lol this vote flop after gera gets close is shady af

Only this one? Theres a few of these.

I'm fine with basically any wagon at this point. Anything to get the day over with except goofball because I think goofball is definitely town. I will no elim over elimming goofball.

Coming from someone who has and will self-hammer to secure a lim.
This is anti-town.

Llama gains scumpoints for the counterwagon attempts. Gerain flips green, A50 or me gets shot tonight.

I have a timer set for 10 mins before end of play, and will hammer then.

[Flea The Magician]

Coming from someone who has and will self-hammer to secure a lim.
This is anti-town.

[Referenceing me]

[DrippingGoofball]

Gera is soooo town, can't we yeet A50?

[DrippingGoofball]

Flea pls vote A50.

[geraintm]

Gera is soooo town, can't we yeet A50?

i think we've somehow been manipulated into choosing between town or town, with not enough people wanting to be seen on a wagon they know is going to flip green.

[Flea The Magician]

Gera is soooo town, can't we yeet A50?

Flea pls vote A50.

The problem here, is you're asking someone you're so damn keen on yeeting... to yeet someone who has greenlit another slot.

[VFP]

to yeet someone who has greenlit another slot.

It's like scum want us to do the job for them.

[geraintm]

VOTE: dripping goofball
yeah, they can't be left in the game

[geraintm]

imagine a huge pause after the yeah....

[DrippingGoofball]

Gera is soooo town, can't we yeet A50?

i think we've somehow been manipulated into choosing between town or town, with not enough people wanting to be seen on a wagon they know is going to flip green.

I agree.

But it's better if you remain in the game than me.

Amelie is town, don't let the scum herd you to another town wagon.