I'm still looking at Firestarter and killa seven.CF Riot wrote:SC who do you think is scum?
I lol'ed at this because I knew it was coming.armlx wrote:I think SpyreX wins here given the OMGUS.
Vote FS
I admitted that his behavior was scummy, but as ILlamaFluff wrote:The main point is what you said about KoC just struck me increadably scummy. You admit that he has been very scummy but you say you still had a "town" read on him. Apart from this odd stance on KoC, for the most part you avoided any real stances on most big wagons except for the FL one, which was only a temporary one.Manito wrote:I say I don't get a strong enough scum read on KoC (not compared to my scum read on FL, not by a long shot), and you vote me for it? This is the second time you've voted for me based on pretty shaky reasoning, what's the deal?
As far as your statement that I "avoid" real stances on big wagons - I invite you to explain what would possibly convince me, based on the evidence you all provided (evidence I found lacking, in comparison) to switch my vote and "jump on the wagon" when I felt the evidence against FL was far more damning.LlamaFluff wrote: By avoiding the main two wagons of the day (FS and KoC) you dont have to take responsability for any town flip on either of them. If there is a scum flip, when you say things like you did about KoC, you can cite that as suspicion of him, even though you thought that FL was a more likely scum flip.
How can an LoS be scummy? It matches who I have, and will continue to vote for, until I see far scummier behavior. Oddly enough, your recent bully tactics have put you on my radar, changing my LoS to FL, K7, LF (since Joubert is now a limbo replacement). Are you going to find my LoS scummy now that you're on it?LlamaFluff wrote: Your LoS was also scummy in nature to me since it was basically FL-K7-lurker. FL was expected to be a wagon forming so that is a commitnent. The K7 and Joubert pushes though never occured, and I dont think were ever intended to. During the day (at least to me) you should of been happy with a push on any of your LoS. If suddenly halfway during 2.0 people wanted a manito lynch, I would of welcomed it with open arms, I also would of gone for one if that KoC push didnt get him lynched.
My posting got more prolific in the last couple of days because: (1) All the thank you cards for all the gifts from my recent wedding are finally done and sent off (2) My new wife and I finally have some free time to do hobby activities for longer stretches (wedding was 3 weeks ago yesterday). I've actually had time, after working all day, to come home, sit down, and do more than quickly peruse new posts and possibly throw up a short post.LlamaFluff wrote: I know IRL constraints can be a pain, and (thankfully?) I am a student. I will always try to post though at nights, even if it is just a thought about what has been happening. My bigger posts usually take a day or so to make because I cant find the time between a full load of harder classes and work. While I cant fault you too much for having a rough IRL patch, what I do have a harder time with is how your posting got fairly prolific around the time KoC was getting lynched, and it mostly spoke ill of the lynch.
. Cook dinner, or go out to grab a bite to eat, spend time with our friends socially. Maybe home with nothing to do around 9 or 10 PM. I play WoW (usually with the wife), or possibly watch the latest episode of one of my favorite shows on Hulu - usually done with all that around midnight or 1 AM.
I participate here to have fun - not to live vicariously through it Most of the votes that moved to KoC moved there because they wanted the day to move along - you need to go back and read again - at least two of the posts said something along the lines of "let's get this day moving along" along with their vote for KoC. I stated my reasoning for not voting for KoC - I feel that my vote for FL is where it belongs, based on the evidence I feel is most relevant. My decision not to change my vote had nothing to do with "looking good before a KoC lynch" - making a statement like that feels really scummy by the way - did you know something before the lynch that we all didn't? Here you are again, saying that I'm scummy because I wasn't bullied into changing my vote to KoC when I felt the evidence against him wasn't strong enough. What is up with that? Why do you feel like you can push other people's votes around?LlamaFluff wrote: The fact that you also were comparing KoC to armlx in vote movements also doesnt make much sense. Most of the votes that KoC moved around were not on a deadline like your post would of had us belive. Armlx made a more deadline/action vote. The fact that you call KoC town from this and armlx odd but "not enough to vote" feels like planting seeds of doubt and trying to look good before a KoC lynch... and at this point I am rambling so stop.
armlx wrote:Vote KoC
Lets get this game moving somewhere.
StrangerCoug wrote:Pfft. I asked for an updated PbPA on killa seven from Knight of Cydonia. I don't remember seeing it. Deadline's looming, and I don't see a Firestarter lynch in this half of the day.
Unvote: Firestarter
Vote: Knight of Cydonia
THIS IS LYNCH MINUS ONE.
This is true. I have not given this game my full attention or even a fraction of it. Ever since the apathy lynch 1.5 I've lost some level of interest. However, maybe getting some votes on me, maybe it being a new day, who knows... I feel a spark of life in me again for this. Expect some analysis / megaposts in the near future.OP wrote:He is one of the few original non-replaced players and has since posted enough to "help out" but not enough to be considered active, like armlx or LF have been.
Always a good start when you add in information that is erroneous to the topic at hand. YOUR vote has nothing to do with anything.Wait - so I'm FS's partner because I was voting for KOC before it became popular (unless 3 votes is "popular") and then decided to get all analytical and ask people some question and therefore caused everyone to jump on Koc, Ignore FS, and lynch him. I guess I made you hammer too. I was hardly a deflection, if anything. I think most people ignore my posts, since they offer little to no content most of the time. If people are being "deflected" that's scummyness on their part, not mine, for just tunnel-vision onto one person.
FS had more votes than KoC did. This post only serves as a way to try and add another level of "suspicion" before a lynch. In addition, the post right above it was the mod setting an unretractable deadline - which makes the timing suspect.I have a question:
IF FS is scum, who is there partner? Same for KoC? Because if people are voting for somebody who could be a likely partner, they could probably switch to the wagon, and lynch the scum with the most votes. I personally don't think it's LIKELY that BOTH FS and KOC is scum though, not saying they aren't partners, but with 13 alive.
Misguided? No. Its was used as an obvious way to try to make what I did appear scummy to give credence to your OMGUS. Waiting for a claim, in this game, means jack - if anything it just gives the game as a whole a chance to putter out again and stagnate on another bad lynch.Yes, the call for a claim is misguided considering theres only town & scum.
Yep. I knew what I was doing. I said it was the hammer. No "oops, I didn't count guys" business.But when KoC had the 2nd from lynch vote, it was mentioned in the post as..
(b)lynch minus one(/b) if Im not mistaken.
On my limited time on MS that usually signifies that the lynchee should speak out, and make a last plea for survival...
In a game with LF, I was one from lynch, and was left room for a plea...
I succesfully negotiated that hurdle, and caught scum, and was town.
This is a perfect example of why meta is weak and retarded.Im not basing any meta on JUST you laying a hammer down...
In the other game, you were much more methodical in your approach to votes/lynches, in this game, you are the oppposite, regardless of the type of game it is.
As for meta, it wasn't something I was prepared to look at early on in my time on MS, but everyone seems to be using it...
I may have been a bit naive when I said I wasn't one for meta, but Ive played a game with you, and I can see benefits of it.
The first benefit has to do with you Spyrex, and your very noticeable difference in playstyle in this game to the other.
The wagon I was on before? The person who ever since the armlx debacle I've said has been high on my list of scummy players? Yep. Dont paint yourself as a martyr - I hammered KoC hoping for the best and expecting the worse; regardless, my vote was going right back where it was because you've done nothing to make me think you weren't scummy.And now you've gone and hopped on the 2nd most popular wagon pre-lynch...
Yep, I hope it doesn't go unnoticed - I've said more than once I've lost my "spark" for this game because it has been going slowly and there's been more white-noise than actual discussion. The other (again, a different bird) was much easier because of the pressure of a 2-day game to keep people and discussion moving. Nice more meta though.Not only that, but you've been very clever with your appearances into the thread, I would say you've done enough to go unnoticed however...
Again, this is in direct contradiction to the last game I played with you, you posted alot more frequently, and alot more constructively....
I'm not sure what your aiming at here, but I'll play your game.BTW, the hammer you speak of in that game, Polygamist mafia, that you dropped, you told all and sundry that you would be doing that if the hammer was there, about 24 hours prior to doing so...
What you did here, again, is completely different to what your stating...
It simply was NOT the same thing.
In the game in question, I did drop the hammer. There was notice, but I still dropped the hammer. That was, again, one day away from lylo so some discussion was warranted but ultimately I dropped it and didn't feel bad then and dont now that it was a townie.But there was a game I played with you recently, Ill find it and post a link, where the last thing you'd have done was drop the hammer like that....
Its against a town meta I have from you... Big time.
It isn't the same thing. It wasn't the same thing and really they dont have a real connection. The only reason(s) you got a reply about it at all is because 1.) I compulsively reply to cases against me and 2.) YOU were trying to put a connection (inverse relationship is a connection) between how I operate at hammer in a scenario where they have no bearing on each other.
It simply was NOT the same thing.
forbiddanlight - 9 (killa seven, armlx, SpyreX, Manito, Corinthian, Knight of Cydonia, Joubert, CF Riot, Gimbo)
LaptopGun - 1 (Bogre)
Gimbo - 1 (dcorbe)
Joubert - 1 (ShadowGirl)
CF Riot - 1 (forbiddanlight)
Not Voting - FaerieLord, LaptopGun, Firestarter
Corinthian - 6 (LlamaFluff, Firestarter, TheSweatpantsNinja, StrangerCoug, orangepenguin, FaerieLord)
killa seven - 5 (Knight of Cydonia, SpyreX, Corinthian, Joubert, armlx)
Manito - 1 (killa seven)
Firestarter - 1 (CF Riot)
FaerieLord - 1 (Manito)
armlx - 1 (LaptopGun)
So, from 3 lynches so far, lets look at some of the following:Knight of Cydonia - 7 (LlamaFluff, killa seven, orangepenguin, armlx, Firestarter, StrangerCoug, SpyreX)
Firestarter - 2 (CF Riot, Knight of Cydonia)
FaerieLord - 1 (Manito)
StrangerCoug - 1 (TheSweatpantsNinja)
killa seven - 1 (Joubert)
Manito - 1 (FaerieLord)
So, with days left before the deadline, you went ahead and hammered someone you would not have been surprised to flip town...SpyreX wrote:Now, you mention that I said I wasn't surprised. I wasn't. It was obvious that wagon came on too fast from too many directions with no new reasons for the lynch for me to think it was a sure-fire scumhit. However, was KoC scummy? Sure was. Would KoC being alive have helped? Only as a body, but more as a perfect distraction for the scum on later days - we still have some eggs we can break for this omlete and I have no problem nailing scummy players.
o.OFirestarter wrote:So, with days left before the deadline, you went ahead and hammered someone you would not have been surprised to flip town...SpyreX wrote:Now, you mention that I said I wasn't surprised. I wasn't. It was obvious that wagon came on too fast from too many directions with no new reasons for the lynch for me to think it was a sure-fire scumhit. However, was KoC scummy? Sure was. Would KoC being alive have helped? Only as a body, but more as a perfect distraction for the scum on later days - we still have some eggs we can break for this omlete and I have no problem nailing scummy players.
Why would you do that seeing as the first 3 hits were town, and now find ourselves meandering closer to a scum win???
Voting me because I am not getting the attention you want on me does not make an awful lot of sense in and of itself. I didn't give an awful lot of reasoning, but it's there. Knight of Cydonia, when I was undecided between him and killa seven, said he'd do another PbPA of the latter. It never happened. I had other reasons to suspect Knight of Cydonia, but I was too lazy to go look for him.TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:Vote strangercoug.
The continued lack of attention on him continues to bother me, and plus, he jumped on an inexplicable quicklynch with nary a hint of reasoning.
SC wrote:I didn't exactly like his power hammer. I did warn that it was lynch minus one, and I had my suspicions on Knight of Cydonia. Where, however, are SpyreX's suspicions of Knight of Cydonia?
Yep, never mentioned it at all.Various Posts By Me wrote:After KoC's amazing scummove there I may be willing to shift FL back tomorrow for KoC - I dont think FS is going to be negotiable.Other players I'd be more than happy to give the rope to:
1.) FL - for reasons stated over and over again (and notice the absence of real talking so far today).
2.) KoC - he's been diggin' a hole and I could really see the lynch.
3.) K7 - K7, enough said. I think the time will come soon enough when he's going to have to go.I can dig not "setting" them up but unless someone decides to really up the scum-level I will not shed a tear on FS, FL, KoC, or K7 at this point. If there's not one scum in there (much less 2) i'd be really, really surprised.
Really? Again?Firestarter wrote:So, with days left before the deadline, you went ahead and hammered someone you would not have been surprised to flip town...
Why would you do that seeing as the first 3 hits were town, and now find ourselves meandering closer to a scum win???
Also, this isn't the first time this game I've said I wouldn't be surprised. (I said it BEFORE the lynch about K7 and Corin's faillynch);) Because, get this, I wasn't then, I wasn't with KoC.Exactly what I said before wrote: In fact, pulling that wagon away (which I thought of) ultimatley had more negatives than positives:
- There was a decent chance KoC was scum and I was wrong.
- Pulling the wagon wouldn't alleviate his scummy play and would have made him a distraction on later days (see how K7 / FL are lynch candidates each day)
- It would NOT have given the analysis on that wagon that I am very sure has scum on it.
I'm attacking TheSweatpantsNinja's vote reason as being weak. Seriously, do you vote people just because you want the town's attention on them? Sorry, not working. Present a decent case first.SpyreX wrote:- StrangerCoug: Did you really just, in response to TSPN, FOSOMGUS and use the justification for that as "Well, someone ELSE did the scummy thing I did too?"
Did I ever say that anybody other than Firestarter and killa seven were definitely town?SpyreX wrote:In addition, did you say you were looking at Firestarter and K7 today (after my hammer) then move your vote to me for the selfsame reason (also using my not having suspicion of KoC (which I did) for part of it)?
No, of course not. Its just the fact that nothing had changed (in regards to me and the hammer) between when you made the statement about FS and K7 and when you voted for me (the vote leader I think?) on what appears to be a shaky bandwagon vote (my not having suspicion of KoC). It seems opportunistic.Did I ever say that anybody other than Firestarter and killa seven were definitely town?
I agree that TSPN's case is weak. However, part of your defense was what -I- did in regards to the hammer. That was what got me: you're voting me for what TSPN is voting you for and don't apparently see the parallel.I'm attacking TheSweatpantsNinja's vote reason as being weak. Seriously, do you vote people just because you want the town's attention on them? Sorry, not working. Present a decent case first.
Granted, I probably could have done a better job of justifying my vote on Knight of Cydonia than I did, but once again, it's there.
You gave zero reasoning for your hammer vote while I made an attempt at a reasoning for my L-1 vote. I even warned that I put Knight of Cydonia at L-1 so the town would speak up if they weren't ready for a hammer (even though it was deadline and not much if anything could be done to save KoC).SpyreX wrote:I agree that TSPN's case is weak. However, part of your defense was what -I- did in regards to the hammer. That was what got me: you're voting me for what TSPN is voting you for and don't apparently see the parallel.I'm attacking TheSweatpantsNinja's vote reason as being weak. Seriously, do you vote people just because you want the town's attention on them? Sorry, not working. Present a decent case first.
Granted, I probably could have done a better job of justifying my vote on Knight of Cydonia than I did, but once again, it's there.
In retrospect, your hammer is exactly what scum would do, progress and see through the double day, take town down, Nightkill, Voila!!SpyreX wrote:Now, if you got lynched and come up town I WOULD be surprised. Or, if armlx or CFR came up scum. Those would be honestly surprising developments to me. KoC being town? Not so much.
armlx wrote:
FS, SC, FL. Same as yesterday.
I support SpyreX's hammer 100%.
What I wrote yesterday (er, yesterhalfday) is just as true today. Keep trying to OMGUS your way out of it.sc wrote: And your case on me other than that is what again?
Except now you can add jumping on yetI wrote: Anyway, strangercoug: His first vote, he wagons killa seven. His second vote, he wagons corinthian. (His) Post 22, he says he thinks both k7 and corinthian are scum, and starts pushing the town to lynch either one. He's not exactly picking hard targets to go after, and he's pushing for a lynch. Over the course of the day, he jumps between the two once more, before settling on corinthian (town) lynch.
Day 2 starts, and behind k7, firestarter, another player already under suspicion, is his candidate. Then he has a weird exchange with llamafluff, where he votes and then unvotes him. . . sc-llamafluff buddies? Could be. After that, he's again trying to "decide" between k7 and now Knights of Cydonia, another player who others have expressed suspicion. But now that k7's wagon has died, he switches his vote for firestarter, yet another leading wagon.
To sum up, he hasn't voted for a single player that didn't already have a developed wagon, weird vote-then-unvote thing with llamafluff excepted.
Then remind us when you place the vote, damn it!TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:What I wrote yesterday (er, yesterhalfday) is just as true today.sc wrote: And your case on me other than that is what again?
You brought up my not getting the attention you wanted before you mentioned the vote on Knight of Cydonia, which made the former look like part of your case on me. Be careful doing that please.TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:Plus the misrepresentation of "I voted for you because I wanted to get attention on you."