Mini Normal 2197: Noraaland ~Endgame~

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VOTE: Murdercat

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Limited access today

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@Noraa, MURDERCAT is voting Ari now.

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I'm not really sure what to think of MURDERCAT's hero solve. It seems not to jive with what his perspective should be, namely that scum deliberately wagoned him to claim. Which would mean at least one of Statue and Beginning should be in his solve. Also, Ari being in his solve is entirely opportunistic. If MURDERCAT is scum and the rule of 3 applies then Infinity should be scum as well.

That theory makes sense with MURDERCAT interogating Infinity but his vote going to Ari.

It's a weak theory though.

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VOTE: Infinity

Sure.

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@In the Beginning- The Rule of 3 is a general statement. When a scum mentions three or more players, one of them is also scum.

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It's not always true but usually is.

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I detest ITB's no elim vote, but I feel like that's an easy miselim to jump on away from Infinity.

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I am looking forward to statue's reads. I find his current post underwhelming because it seeks to undermine townreads but doesn't really put forth scumreads.

Summary: Infinity isn't persuasive. Maybe there's scum on the murdercat wagon, maybe not. ITB is strange (note: no conclusion). People townread Flea too easily. No conclusion as to who is townreading Flea too easily. No conclusion as to whether that's townie or scummy. No conclusion as to Flea's alignment.

A lot of words, but it says nothing. I want to see more.

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Then why aren't you voting him?

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Oh, good catch Italiano. E-1 this early is a bit much.

I agree there is likely scum there, will take a look in a bit. Any thoughts on who looks like a culprit there?

Gamma or Titus. Mayyyyybe statue

This is probably the worst of these posts yet
This is like quintessential rule of three I’d say

So Johnny Statute then? I could see that.

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VOTE: Johnny

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I'm going to be busy the next couple days but I'll hope in soon thereafter

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At the end of page 9, add Flea to my TRs, Italiano to my townleans, and statute to a strong scumlean.

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My reads stay the same. I am caught up.

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Howdy Titus, we meet again

I am a babysitter.

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On a more serious note, I am fine with Johnny or Statue.

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Ooh vca. Wagon formation. Lots of joy to catch up on.

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VOTE: Statue

I don't like the disappearing act after the wagon formed on him.

L minus 1

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Mother why is statue town.

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No, vote Titus. Or disagree with me and tell me why. It's a short iso

I played a game where scum no killed so one of them could claim doc and ride that claim to victory. I think Gamma was there.

And nah, I voted Titus because they had the biggest "i know both these wagons are on townies" energy of anyone yesterday

This is just outright untrue. I voted for and FoSed both major wagons yesterday.

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The babysitter claim was totally a meme too, not serious.

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It was an utterly shit wagon being led by another one of my scum reads and, all the while, there were other slots who were look at with reasons that were just slightly better than the reasons used to wagon hoth Jhonny and Statue. There was very little resistance and I feel like scum played a big hand in getting it pushed

I plan on looking at the votes tonight or tomorrow.

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I wish they had claimed prior to hammer tho.

Johnny didn't claim, and he hit E-1 as well yesterday. Were you around to pressure a claim at the time? What's done is done, but today is already full of shoulda, could a, wouldas.

You still town read Titus?

I am suspecting Statute was quickly run up as a way of saving Johnny.

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Short story number one: Queen Noraa and her discovery of pearls.
Part 2~

She searched and searched for months but she couldn't find the origin of these shiny orbs when finally one day she decided that it was probably a smart idea to go ask Gypyx where he had gotten these shiny orbs. She asked Gypyx and he told her that he had gotten them from Hectic, an old crab that lived in a huge cave. Noraa was determined to find out where these orbs came from so she gathered her courage, called her friend Morning to come with her and they set off to the big cave with the scary old crab.

Votecount 1.1

[6] MURDERCAT:

Infinity 324, Gamma Emerald, Titus, StatueSurfer, In the beginning

[E-2]

[2] In the beginning:

ItalianoVD, JacksonVirgo

[1] Titus:

MURDERCAT

[1] JohnnyFarrar:

Aristophanes

[1] Aristophanes:

Momrangal

[1] StatueSurfer:

Flea the Magician

[2] Not Voting:

Toogeloo, JohnnyFarrar

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to banish a tsunami to hell.

The deadline is in (expired on 2021-03-02 21:22:35).

Short story number one: Queen Noraa and her discovery of pearls.
Part 7~

"And?" Hectic asked.
"Um she wants to know where she can find these or if you could also give her a few" says Morning.
Hectic chuckles a little as he grabs a huge rock on the table behind him.
"Do you know what this is?" he asks.
"A rock" Noraa says.
"This is an oyster

you dumbass

" the crab says

Votecount 1.6

[4] JohnnyFarrar:

Aristophanes, Titus, Infinity 324, Gamma Emerald

[E-3]

[3] In the beginning:

JacksonVirgo, Flea the Magician, Toogeloo

[2] Infinity 324:

MURDERCAT, Momrangal

[1] Titus:

In the beginning

[1] StatueSurfer:

ItalianoVD

[2] Not Voting:

JohnnyFarrar, StatueSurfer

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to banish a tsunami to hell.

The deadline is in (expired on 2021-03-02 21:22:35).

Short story number one: Queen Noraa and her discovery of pearls.
Part 8~

"They are peaceful creatures that look a little like rocks and they form those pearls that you want" Hectic continues.
Hectic rambles on, "Many are ancient and-"
Gypyx rushes in, rudely interrupting Hectic rambling.
"Gypyx what is that", Noraa asks as she points to the creature Gypyx is holding.
"This is Mumu" Gypyx says.
"What is it?" Noraa asks.

Votecount 1.7

[6] JohnnyFarrar:

Aristophanes, Titus, Infinity 324, Gamma Emerald, JacksonVirgo, StatueSurfer

[E-1]

[2] StatueSurfer:

ItalianoVD, Flea the Magician

[1] In the beginning:

Toogeloo

[1] Infinity 324:

Momrangal

[1] Titus:

In the beginning

[1] Aristophanes:

MURDERCAT

[2] Gamma Emerald:

JohnnyFarrar

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to banish a tsunami to hell.

The deadline is in (expired on 2021-03-02 21:22:35).

Short story number two: Queen Noraa and her grand search for pearls
Part 1~

Noraa was bored at home one day and finally finished with her dumb chem homework. She decided it was a wonderful time to go pearl hunting! She texted Morning and asked if she wanted to join her but Morning declined because she hadn't finished her chem homework quite yet. Noraa was extremely sad but then realized that she could just force Gypyx to come with her! She rushed to Gypyx's house and grabbed him by the arm and off they went to find pearls! Two seconds later she realized that she probably should bring Mumu because Mumu would be like a pearl detector. She rushed back into his house and carried Mumu out with her.

Votecount 1.9

[6] StatueSurfer:

ItalianoVD, Flea the Magician, JacksonVirgo, MURDERCAT, Toogeloo, Titus

[E-1]

[3] JohnnyFarrar:

Aristophanes, Gamma Emerald, StatueSurfer

[2] Infinity 324:

Momrangal, In the beginning

[1] Gamma Emerald:

JohnnyFarrar

[1] Not Voting:

Infinity

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to banish a tsunami to hell.

The deadline is in (expired on 2021-03-02 21:22:35).

also omg the time is so perfect that I have to mention it

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If my theory is correct that scum jumped onto Statute to save Johnny, then scum would be in the early voters, particularly those who didn't vote Statute. The bussers would be towards the later part of the statute wagon. The names are purely different but for Jackson and myself, which suggests scum refused to bus.

Major Fos: Johnny and Jackson

VOTE: Johnny

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The babysitter claim was totally a meme too, not serious.

Was this referring to a specific post? I can't seem to find where it's aimed at

Howdy Titus, we meet again

I am a babysitter.

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She doesn't make reads outside of VCA, she doesn't do a whole lot outside of VCA which can been kinda annoying at timed

I try to but with depression it's hard to do so.

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I liked Italiano too, but that replace out is sus

I disagree. I can't say why.

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I like infinity for town here.

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I'm not really sure how Jackson missed my babysitter semi-shit post and what I was doing there given a) we faked it together resulting in a scum victory recently, b) there was a no kill, and c) the phrase babysitter was findable in my ISO.

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Jacksonvirgo

Explain?

Agreed and Infinity looked rather town in his defense of Italiano.

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Can you both compare him to this game?

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*them

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Hello, I will get caught up when I get home from work.

In the meantime, though, I would like a summary of the game so far from JohnnyFarrar and Titus.

My idea of a game summary ISO the mod and claims.

So [shoves mod ISO into post].

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VOTE: JV

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I'm not really sure how Jackson missed my babysitter semi-shit post and what I was doing there given a) we faked it together resulting in a scum victory recently, b) there was a no kill, and c) the phrase babysitter was findable in my ISO.

I did notice it day 1, I quoted it as well. What I don't understand is where you decided to randomly explain why it was a joke.

No kill.

Babysitter claim.

I wanted to clarify that any hypothetical no kill wasn't from my babysitter claim. Also, not quite sure I buy this.

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Hello, I will get caught up when I get home from work.

In the meantime, though, I would like a summary of the game so far from JohnnyFarrar and Titus.

My idea of a game summary ISO the mod and claims.

So [shoves mod ISO into post].

Try again.

No.

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Titus is almost never this blunt

Not true.

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VLA this weekend

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I got prodded. Sorry for falling behind. I'm going to try and catch up tonight.

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Wait, I VLAed. I'm protesting this prod.

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SHEEEEEEEP and why does this feel like you're aiming at Mom when Gamma actually claimed intent - the usual point for a claim to happen, and Jonny hammered?

This really feels like you are twisting this in an attempt to find something scummy in it.

I'M MR TOWNSEEKS LOOK AT MEEEEE.

Once more, you don't appear to be reading me in good faith here. The wall posting is a style of posting, not an attempt to attract (or detract attention).

Aight my spicy solve rn is in Jonny, Beginning and Catto.

It's definitely spicy.

Mine happens to be Jackson, Infinity, and you rn.
VOTE: Jackson

*notes as possible distancing*

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VOTE: Flea

I am breaking the tie on the one I feel is the most likely wagon.

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VLA Tuesday Wednesday

Driving 10-15 hours tmo.

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I'll prioritize this one bc deadline but I'm not sure what that will look like realistically.

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I hopefully will look through the VCs later tonight. Instead I was looking at Italiano's and HC's ISO trying to get a lead on their target, since Italiano likely stopped the kill and is loyal. Double clear. Unfortunately, my read on that is that they checked me sooo...

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Short story number two: Queen Noraa and her grand search for pearls
Part 7~

Noraa cautiously looks at Nancy and squeaked out a small "hi"
Nancy turns her head a little and says "Kidnapper you say?"
Noraa's face heats up a few hundred degrees as she quickly replies "I-I'm sorry about that. I didn't mean to say that."
Then she turns little bit and finds Gypyx laughing at her red face and throws her slipper at him(she also came in pajamas because she forgot to change of her dinosaur onesie and bunny slippers)

Votecount 2.4

[3] Flea The Magician:

Aristophanes, Toogeloo, Dannflor

[3] Aristophanes:

MURDERCAT, Haschel Cedricson, JohnnyFarrar

[3] Infinity 324:

Momrangal, Flea the Magician, In the beginning

[2] JacksonVirgo:

Infinity 324, Titus

[1] Not Voting:

Salsabil Faria

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to banish a tsunami to hell.

The deadline is in (expired on 2021-03-10 20:56:03)

Mod note: vla's and prods aren't announced in thread anymore but will be noted in the OPs.

Short story number two: Queen Noraa and her grand search for pearls
Part 8~

"A little birdie told me you were searching for pearls" Nancy says.
Noraa perks up as she hears the magic word-pearl.
"There's a bunch of oysters up ahead. I can take you there" Nancy continues.
Nancy lead them through a few more forests and finally they got to the place and Noraa found her pearls!

Votecount 2.5

[4] Flea The Magician:

Aristophanes, Dannflor, Titus, Infinity 324

[E-3]

[3] Aristophanes:

MURDERCAT, JohnnyFarrar, Momrangal

[2] Toogeloo:

Dannflor, Haschel Cedricson

[1] Infinity 324:

In the beginning

[1] Momrangal:

Toogeloo

[1] In the beginning:

Flea the Magician

[1] Not Voting:

Salsabil Faria

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to banish a tsunami to hell.

The deadline is in (expired on 2021-03-10 20:56:03)

FoS Infinity

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Ugh, beyond that, I'll have to see when and how people jumped. Until then,

VOTE: infinity

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VLA this weekend. Birthday weekend.

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I'm ignoring that error in the vc.

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I'm not dodging it. I just don't think it's worth my time to answer it, but if you insist, it boils to some basic reasoning. 1) Ari by his work schedule tends to be lower activity than most people 2) Tons of people were pushing him for what seemed to amount to basically activity-related reasons and 3) When he did post, his posts seemed meaningful enough to me. They certainly didn't ping me. My conclusion was thus that it was a wagon being pushed by scum looking to score an easy miselimination.

What's changed since you know your initial premise was wrong?

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Nothing. I haven't reanalyzed and don't care to do so rn.

Why not?

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Yes, we are twins. He's an amazing brother.

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I'll go over the VCs tomorrow.

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@MURDERCAT, Why is Johnny on your locktown list? Sorry I have been working 12 hour days and struggling to keep up.

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Also, Infinity makes sense if I was the n1 kill I think.

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Did titus claim something that I missed

We suspect I was the n1 protect.

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That's not very occam's razor-y, scum wouldn't take your babysitter claim seriously, and I'm just not sure why you would be killed n1?

We don't know why I would be the n1 kill. It's a conclusion we're drawing based on HC and Italiano's ISO.

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@MURDERCAT, Why is Johnny on your locktown list? Sorry I have been working 12 hour days and struggling to keep up.

Ari voted Johnny and was fine with that wagon, johnny voted Ari instead of town Flea

Good enough for now. Not locktown but I can go for not today.

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What's Infinity's claim again?

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VOTE: beginning

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Happy Cake Day!

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I'll look at this tomorrow.

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I do think Dann needs to claim.

I still FoS Infinity but the correct move is to finish mass claim.

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Sorry I forgot to VLA the weekend because I thought I'd hit all games. Prod deserved.

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5 bucks I know what Dann claims.

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VT here. Sorry I haven't been feeling well.

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Why not setup me?

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We should be no voting here. There's 4 alive and presumably 1 scum with one nk.

VOTE: no elim

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For the record, I tr toog. It's between Infinity and SF for me. Leaning infinity scum based on me being the n1 jail. It could be SF though and I was just obvtown then.

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@Toog, I'd rather force scum to take that consensus kill. We'll still talk long enough for your voice to be heard today and ask any sorting questions. If scum don't kill you, then they really think you'll misvote or are the scum. We learn something from not eliminating someone today.

VLA this weekend

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Infinity feels townier because his stances align with mine.

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I can understand why you are confused about me, but if you can check my current (running+completed) games, I was absent for the same days I was absent here. If I could be invested like my previous games, things will be different. That's why I said yesterday to eliminate me. I was/am sure that I am kept alive for the miselimination purpose.
So, you and

Toogeloo

are conftowns, I'm the last VT, it's

Titus

then.

VOTE: Titus

Why is Toog conftown?

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@SF, Why is your response to merely unvote me when I ask you why Toog is conftown as opposed to likely town?

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I find SF's tone incredibily fake and melodramatic. Her reasons don't amount to conftown Toog and it feels like she's attempting to pit me and infinity against each other. She retreats rapidly when called out on any position.

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Hmm that reminds me to rule of 3 the flipped scum

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I can see the MC rvs wagon being all town, but if scum did decide to join the RVS wagon, I would look at either Gamma or titus.

I would probably say Titus or Statue imo instead of Gamma

Neg points for Gamma here

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toog, johnny, salsabil]

Rule of 3 here

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I'm confused why scum would eliminate SF given my position that SF was the final scum.

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Titus what did you think dann was going to claim?

No clue tbh. I have been disconnected from the game for days.

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I admit I did nothing over this night phase. My schedule opened up this afternoon so I should be able take a look at VCA and or reread.

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Looking at the votes, I'm inclined to think Toog since Infinity has more of a presence on voting scum but Dannflor did spend the day before he was a wet fish voting Toog. I'll need to dig in for more context.

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Toog, what was your result and why didn't you claim it at start?

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I think we're in a stalemate right now.

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I also think Dann flopped to avoid associatives because distancing would look fake.

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Why did you suspect salsa yesterday?

That's what the votes told me. Their flail looked to be trying to set up whichever was convenient out of me/you. Their Toog was conftown bit was pretty bad, as nothing they quoted showed Toog was conftown. I figured they were buddying Toog to secure the last vote.

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It makes zero sense that I would night kill Salsabil as scum. They had me as conftown. I would have more than likely eliminated Infinity, tried to pass it off as protection fear, and put Titus and Salsabil against each other with a fake claim.

Like, what is my motivation to kill Salsabil last night?

No one should have killed S from my PoV as I strongly favored eliminating them publicly. It doesn't make sense to me.

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What caused your switch there?

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@Toog, If Infinity was bluffing, then wouldn't that out him as scum?

As for the criticism that my ISO is barren in the midgame, that's fair. I had a lot of VLAs and issues site wide.

As for the suggestion that I killed S because I was backed into a corner makes no sense. Killing my scum suspect would only back me more into a corner. The confusion and the mid game ISO are why I am here in lylo despite being the night one clear.

I don't really do ISOs but right now I am leaning towards Infinity. His last posts feel like shopping and S did take the time to specifically ISO him before death, the claim doesn't make sense and is awfully convienent as he couldn't prove his claim on later days.

Your claim makes more sense, but isn't proven. If you got a proven result, the game would be solved for me and you. A non proven result benefits you as scum, but can be true as town. Your vote history makes me suspect you more but my vote analysis lead me to S before.

I'm going to have to do some more work here but I am not sure what. I likely won't be ISOing because I feel that takes too much time for too little results.

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It's going to be a very different Titus if I stay around much. Real life is that impacted. In Warehouse 13 (just finished) I asked to be eliminated by May 17th because of my schedule. I drove 700 miles over the past 3 days. Tomorrow will be easier. Tonight I'll be drained.

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I also don't like how you keep being sold on different people being scum, given how disengaged you are you're more likely to just go "idk" as town, and maybe wait until you have/time energy to do some work in thread

That's totally inconsistent with what I just said and am saying. I am saying I don't know, but here are the pros and cons of each slot to try and engage. It sounds like you want my ISO to be empty until I solve the game and come up with a definite answer.

That's a pretty bad stance to take when something you or Toog can say about my stream of consciousness could sway me. You instead completely ignored my thoughts.

Do you think my criticisms of you and Toog are valid? Invalid? Why? Do you think I missed something? Do you think I stated something incorrectly?

There's so much you could engage there and yet you elect to just argue that I should shut up until I solve the game.

I compare that with Toog's stance who wants my thoughts so he can purportedly see where my head's at.

That almost makes this sound like a no brainer but I'll give you a chance to engage my content and answer one more question.

Why do you think you're here in lylo. Everyone in lylo has made some sort of mistake to be here.

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What are you asking here? This game will be easily over by May 17th, and given the state of the game over Easter weekend, I don't see a rush to finish it tonight.

I wasn't asking anything there. I was explaining the barrenness you were seeing in my ISO. The comment about May 17th was explaining that I expect my problems to get worse over time, not better so you're kinda stuck with it. There was no question.

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I can't fathom Titus being a N1 shot given her activity and literally no aggression towards scum, however...

I was actually voting Infinity day 1.

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Short story number one: Queen Noraa and her discovery of pearls.
Part 4~

Noraa flinched so hard she crashed into Morning who tripped on a rock and both tsunamis fell on the sea floor with a thud.
"Ow my butt hurts" says Noraa.
"Shut up should we swim away now?" whispers Morning.
"But but those shiny orbs" said Noraa.
Morning sighed.

Votecount 1.3

[4] MURDERCAT:

Infinity 324, Gamma Emerald, StatueSurfer, In the beginning

[E-3]

[3] Infinity 324:

Titus, MURDERCAT, Momrangal

[2] In the beginning:

ItalianoVD, JacksonVirgo

[1] JohnnyFarrar:

Aristophanes

[1] StatueSurfer:

Flea the Magician

[2] Not Voting:

Toogeloo, JohnnyFarrar

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to banish a tsunami to hell.

The deadline is in (expired on 2021-03-02 21:22:35).

In fact, I lead the wagon. Me being the n1 shot leads to Infinity scum, which I did think about but left hanging when I got lost.

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Fuck it.

VOTE: Infinity

My mind is at the finish line. If Toog is scum, gg.

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So why did scum shoot me n1?