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[samantha97]

yeah look at the votes on umlaut

100% town

[Luca Blight]

Note that Anya jumped straight off after the VT claim

Umlaut then comes in and starts an Infinity wagon

Possibly Umlaut/Outworld as partners makes sense? Maybe Anya too

[Luca Blight]

yeah look at the votes on umlaut

100% town

I don't know if Icon/Momrangal are Town?

Rathe obviously and Infinity probably

[Luca Blight]

I'm leaning town on Icon actually

[Luca Blight]

Sure it happened, but I think if you just read what OW had said to that point, out of the three it seems likely where the vote would go. Either he set that up alarmingly well, or regardless of alignment he followed expectations.

It's easy to be consistent when you maintain only one SR throughout D1

[Luca Blight]

I'd quite happily blow up [Umlaut, Outworld, Koto] right now

I think Llama is slightly more likely to be town? But I'm not confident on that

[LlamaFluff]

why are we randomly voting for rathe again

infinity i agree improved and i wouldn't vote for them but llama still feels more like an alpaca and that deserves punishment

VOTE: Rathe

i got impatient

i can switch to bunny later if needed i'll be around

m

i think Rathe was probably town and i can't remember what made me vote for him and i'm disgusted at myself

something about 6 hours left and not ending the day in no justice, but i regret not being stubborn on voting alpaca

This is the type of progression that makes me pretty sure Rathe is town. He gets ignored for most of the day outside of the jokey high noise low content whirlwind that is Anya. Then the wagon on him starts (which I am second on and Anya has been voting me) which is seen as a not great thing by Anya. Then Anya votes Rathe which at this point the only other player that came from my wagon is Infinity who started it (timeline between first two post is ~3 hours). How this is not red flags for Anya-town I have no idea. If there was wagon 1 and wagon 2 and I wanted wagon 2 gone... then wagon 3 showed up which was basically no one from wagon 1... thats a bad thing.

Looping back to why im reading Dats/Luca as town too, this is the opposite reaction. Anya again based on wagon composition has no reason to vote Rathe, but to just gently nudge along OW at the same time (who had already voted Rathe) is wrong. I cant believe that town who thinks OW is a good vote has the thought process pass through their mind of "This VT who I am okay voting just jumped on a new wagon that mostly came from players who were voting someone I thought was scum to start".

Then it ends with Anya being immediately convinced that Rathe was town, and trying to wash her hands of it while casting blame to the exact same group that she was calling scum (and again was pushing the wagon) before she joined in. What Dats/Luca did is in line with how town approaches this sort of a split. What Anya did is how scum who sees an opportunity and just needs to invent a reason to be a part of the wagon does.

This is scum, who is going to give as little content as possible for the rest of the game. Lets just snipe it now.

[Luca Blight]

Nice post, Llama. I can get behind this

VOTE: Anya

[Iconeum]

i

hate

this fucking game xd

[samantha97]

I could too but would anya really be wisest out of the pool?

[Iconeum]

Wrf

Apparently I’ve claimed scum three times this game now

looks like you suck at playing scum

[Iconeum]

Right now the only player I TR with any confidence is Datisi

I Tr zoomer but haven’t liked SS’s posting so far, which has eroded that read

I tr Momrangal’s early posting but that slot has done nothing substantial for a long while

As much as I hate to say it, my only other slight tr is Samantha. Maybe Anya as well

why am i not included in this post

i feel like i should be included in this post

especially if you now have a magic townread of datisi, you should be hardcore scumlocked onto me i think, and i'll take that 1v1 right here and now

[Iconeum]

Vote Anya

Llama why do you think andres was killed?

Seems pretty baseless speculation. Only flips being off the wagon yesterday though is a little interesting though, but its something that reading into feels like throwing darts. Maybe we get right but it also can just be dumb luck or throw us way off. Its more of the confusing NKs that I think are the interesting ones to try and figure stuff out through.

Your thoughts on me saying Dats/Luca are probably town for trying to shift the wagon away from Rathe if OW is town?

what more digging did you do versus your prior post where you were still somewhat reluctant on Anya?

[Koto]

If OW is town like I still think he is, will try and visit that tonight and solve it either way, I think that actually is heavy

townpoints

for Luca/Dats because it means they would have been at the last minute trying to change from unknown town to VT. I think

scum

is a bit more willing to make that move in light on Rathe having been town.

is one of these a typo or...?

Thats me rewording things too much again originally saying thought Anya was scum between the two sentences there then moving it to its own part. I think OW-Town means you two are more likely town because why risk deflecting a wagon that you would know be on town of unknown role onto VT to give up a claim and or PR death? I think scum is more likely to have not resisted it (or ignored it), even if in their minds their "what would town me do" might be saying fight against it. Anya fits that pretty well where their posting has an "I should have known better - oops" feeling behind it that to me isnt the right one.

Deflecting wagon from vanilla is good.
It can hit PR.

[Iconeum]

can you all promise to not wait until deadline tomorrow cause this is definitely gonna be a town lynch no matter who it is

This is weird given you then vote a PR claim

If you really believed this then you'd have insisted on limming the VT claim (who you SR btw) instead of a PR clam D1

what ya gotta say about this one, sam

if that even is your real name

[Iconeum]

town mailman enabler

One fucking minute later

VOTE: rathe

Damn, that infuriates me

Maybe Samantha is just scum here, that looks so opportunistic. Scum would know there is a potentially strong Mailman who will be made redundant by this move, and she votes so fast before anyone can unvote or even think about it

ngl, i'm seeing what luca is saying here...

[Iconeum]

it was deliberately fast since I knew people would unvote

what

[Koto]

I never said or implied you were an intelligent Mafia player

R.I.P-

[LlamaFluff]

Vote Anya

Llama why do you think andres was killed?

Seems pretty baseless speculation. Only flips being off the wagon yesterday though is a little interesting though, but its something that reading into feels like throwing darts. Maybe we get right but it also can just be dumb luck or throw us way off. Its more of the confusing NKs that I think are the interesting ones to try and figure stuff out through.

Your thoughts on me saying Dats/Luca are probably town for trying to shift the wagon away from Rathe if OW is town?

what more digging did you do versus your prior post where you were still somewhat reluctant on Anya?

None. I just saw Anya once again shirk all responsibility for their own reads so just went straight to making a point. Anya either blames others or themselves for all reads. If my OW read is right here too they were doing it again in passing everything off onto others. If I go, it was because of Luca/Dats. If OW goes and is town, it was because of Luca/Dats. If OW goes as is scum, Anya tries to claim credit.

[Iconeum]

Imo the hammer is a little bit less bad than you're making it out to be, luca, because we really just needed an elim, there was a nonzero chance that we would try to get the votes for outworld and not succeed and end the day in a no elim

It was bad, to be clear, but still

the hammer itself… definitely not bad
we did it to ourselves

but everything preceding it what luca is quoting is pinging me

[Iconeum]

Didn't check the online list, but 7 people were not posting at once

ok but with what i think were still hours on the clock, your first thought is insta hammer vs checking to see if another lim is viable? If ur town?

[Iconeum]

I'm leaning town on Icon actually

townreading both me and datisi?

vs 'at least 1 scum in them guaranteed' during your day 1?

[Iconeum]

well that would save us a couple dozen pages at least lol

[Infinity 324]

Didn't check the online list, but 7 people were not posting at once

ok but with what i think were still hours on the clock, your first thought is insta hammer vs checking to see if another lim is viable? If ur town?

No but I am saying my first reaction when I saw the hammer was relief

Tbf I didn’t think of the loyal mailman thing but

[Iconeum]

day 2 llama feels infinitely better then day 1 llama