Micro 1003: Divide and Conquer - Game Over!

[NorwegianboyEE]

I like Mena a LOT! <3
Catching scum in B would give us 5 conf!town. >:3

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwee thinks Ydrasse is too weak for the harshness of love, war, and mafia.
Not evil, just a cuddly little animal to snuggle up to and tell that everything is ok. ^v^

[NorwegianboyEE]

Minna let’s be fwiiends~ (⌒▽⌒)☆

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: skitter this is the level 0 thing, I feel like I always get out-wined in these scenarios but yeah

Norwee has trouble pinpointing the reason behind why scum!Skitter would put herself in a neighborhood of three if she is the stronger player of the team. :/

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can Bingle talk himself out of an elim tho? :L

[NorwegianboyEE]

Evil scumdumbs can't win for we shan't be divided.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Slots that aren't posting sus.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Infinity town.
Skitter wouldn't put themselves in 1v2.

Bingle scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Bingle is scum but let's find their partner.

[NorwegianboyEE]

killing the scum in the 3p hood doesn't actually get us closer to winning, we still have to find their partner even if we nail the scum, but if we find their partner the game is over.

It gets us closer to winning by allowing us to auto win ever if we don't hit scum in the 6p group on our first try

It also makes it easier to hit scum in the 6p group

Nobody cares about 3 hood.
Finding scum in 6 hood is more fun.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Bearplangood. Infinityplan infinity boring.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Day 5 wins are more satisfying than d1 wins

D1 wins are satisfying insta-wins where scum get rekt. D5 wins are usually slow and painful and i hate it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hectic your account gimmick is lame in this one.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't think i will ever understand how Mena actually solves.

[NorwegianboyEE]

In the case that skitts is town, letting her have multiple phases to solve the game is a dangerous proposition. Similarly with me.

This makes sense, you sold me

VOTE: vander my first FoS, he's playing like he did in underage gun control (idk his town meta though)

Can you link it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

we may have a 50+ page d1

oh my sweet summer child

Add one more zero to that 50.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Infinity town.
Skitter wouldn't put themselves in 1v2.

Bingle scum.

why is infinity town?
and to be quite honest there are some scenarios where i would put myself in 1v2 (although i can't imagine i woud like it very much, and would vastly prefer not to)

I don’t see scum!Infinity starting their game by immediately doing a 1v1 against you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Then again, i’ve lost a bit of thr faith in that seeing as all of Jingle/Skitter/Infinity are playing pretty town. At least on the surface.

[NorwegianboyEE]

3p group: doing all this

6p group: music party

Hell yeah. xP

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'd think that it would be too hard for scum!her to justify

Uh

Why

She's correctly read me 3 games in a row and I feel like she has a pretty good sense for how I play

Do you always expect town!Skitter to townread you immediately early day 1 here?
It seems a bit strange as has been said, how your progression is:
>Skitter is likely scum.
>Unless they townread me.
*Skitter says they don’t townread Infinity*
>Knew it! skitter scum!!

[NorwegianboyEE]

Correctly limming in the pool of 3 D1 makes this a functionally a mountainous setup. It's not terrible, but it's also not great. OTOH, correctly limming in the big pool wins us the game. Also, limming in the big pool means scum is likely to shoot in the big pool. In the case that skitts is town, letting her have multiple phases to solve the game is a dangerous proposition. Similarly with me. Leaving both of us alive means that there is a decent chance that one of the two of us destroys the shit out of the gamestate, which is a risky proposition all around. If scum is going to shoot in the little group regardless, we want to force them to make that decision later. If we conftown people in the little group, doing so late game is inarguably the stronger move.

tl;dr -> Catching scum on D1 is less important than setting up a winnable XLO.

i think it's kinda better to go for the slow-and-steady-wins-the-race approach because we *know* that there's scum in a fully-flippable pool and if we just flip through 3p we're guaranteed to get one before the game ends, and at taht point the 6p pt will have been wittled down to like 3 at worst (if we don't flip this scum till day3) and there will be loads of info from the nk's and how the flips in the 3p pt went down to sort out who the scum in the 6p pt is

it might take more time, sure, but it's ultimately safer

and yeah limming in the big pool wins the game - but only if we actually do so (and there's more people in there so it's easier to misflip ...) and if we don't get it right we're right back where we are tomorrow ...

(it's weird to have an argument for why we should handle this a specific way dependent on leaving me alive cuz i'm me so uh yeah)
(but it's also weird that you're lumping yourself in there with me - i'm not sure if in this game town-you is the person scum are playing against (no offense))

also is your argument for why conftowning people in the little group bad largely solely based on who's in it or ...
i'm kinda rambling as i think through this but let's say infinity is scum, we flip her today, say i die tonight. are you basically arguing that in that scenario we'd want town-you to be conftowned later so we shouldn't try to flip scum-infinity today ? or am i missing something. or if you die we'd want me to be conftowned later? either way we'd have a conftown through the end of day2, no? that's p good?

and if we flip in the big pool today - say we find the scumz, yay. but let's just say we don't ... we won't have any conftowns day2, but it's also not guaranteed we'd get any at any point, right? misflip again in either pool and day3 we can have no conftowns. like we can be in day3 with a 1v1 in the big pool and the small pool unresolved.

Norwee doesn’t understand big longey mouth-words without interruption. :<

[NorwegianboyEE]

Lim 6P hood GOOD
Lim 3P hood BAD

[NorwegianboyEE]

Skitt also knows that I struggle under pressure as town generally, so the plan is to elim me d1 and then NK jingle

y would she nightkill jingle there

Seems like a pretty shitty plan for Skitter, i agree.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwegian, reads on the big pool?

Hi, i’m at work and catching up very slowly. I’ll post it when i have time to.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think vanders is very null

What'd you think of my vanders town logic?

Tbh i wouldn’t townlock Vanders yet. I do think i should be able to read them since i correctly townread them in the first game we played before, but i don’t have a certain conclusion on them here yet.

[NorwegianboyEE]

ok but we might not get any conftown at all your way
i don't think we should be playing around getting conftown anyways per se so much as we should be trying to flip scum and i think it's easier in the smaller one.

i do think that at worst having 50/50 in 5p xylo is a decent point actually ... but i think if we flip through 3p first we we guarantee 3way, no? it's that better? cuz in 50-50 5p xylo we still need to get it right to get to 3way?

Mathematically, limming in the big pool has a very slight advantage numbers wise, although not enough to make it a cut and dry this is the only option decision.

Subjectively, the difference here is low risk - low reward vs moderate risk - moderate reward. If we hit scum in the first two elims in the big pool we still have workable conftown come 5p. If we lim in the small pool we NEVER have conftown in 5p.

On a fundamental level, the more salient point behind me wanting to hit the 6p first is the one pooky brought up: The scum in the 6p can't afford to be elimmed today. The scum in the 3p CAN. I think hunting the former gives us far more useful information to make subjective calls than hunting the latter.

Agreed a lot on the last paragraph. And i think it’s somewhat +town for you to bring that up.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Town!skitt doesn't accept the logic of "this player makes no sense, must be scum". She uses what she knows about a player and weighs whether a town motivation is more likely than a scum one. In PyP she TRed me quite strongly when others were SRing me or much less sure. Her read on me here is fake.

Hmm ok, still want to hear if you think Bingle could be scum here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwegian, reads on the big pool?

I think Mena’s activity so far is very +town for them, and i’ll keep them as town unless i see a reason to consider otherwise. I’m also liking Pooky so far, but i’m not as confident on them as i am Mena.
As for Ydrasse, i’m thinking town but i really have no idea how they play as scum so low confidence read.
No Face probably looks the worst so far? But i’m not really wanting to vote them until i get more certain about my other reads and am sure i don’t want to vote elsewhere.
As for you i already said what i think.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also i’m not sure how much of my scumread on No Face is based on actual scumminess VS just having no face/avatar and thus i naturally find them suspicious, shifty, like they got something to hide. >:)

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok Hectic town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I also agree Skitter is the most likely town in the 3 group.

[NorwegianboyEE]

LEBENSRAUM!

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ydrasse seems to make it out like Infinity’s read on them is scummy, but i’m not sure i agree. I don’t think Ydrasse’s response is all that scummy either. It seems like an disaproportionate response for scum!Ydra to react that way to a mild scumread.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ydrasse/Infinity never SvS.
Could be SvT but leaning more on TvT.
Want to re-read Bingle when i get the time.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Are you saying you think town!her is more likely to overreact, or just that it's not scummy?

Townie to overreact, and it feels similar to what i know of their previous towngames too.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If Infinity dies today and is the town she probably dies tommorow because people think she's the scum.

Isn't this not a big deal? She's in the group of 3, so she kind of did her job if she elims me. Also I think skitt is a strong enough scum player that this isn't really true

After some thinking I agree this is a stupid read

I think I believe she's towny moreso in how earnestly skitter is pursuing her words on you being scum rather than the committing theory. The committing theory is stupid because people like to townread poeple who commit everything on someone being scum, so the logic is the circular

No Face's new guess is Bingle and Pooky :''

Yeah i'm considering Bingle as the most likely slot to want to DUEL the lovely slots of Skitter™ and Infinitytowntell and not vice versa.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Not sure about pooky being scum though. Not saying it's impossible, but not exactly where i'd place my betting horse so soon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

sometimes it feels like people treat good players as unbreakable bastions that people wouldn’t ever dare challenge or go up against in any circumstances

I mean no, but if there's any possible way I can avoid it as scum then yes

do you really have that little faith in your scum game?

I have very little faith in my scumgame when I'm forced to argue things that I don't actually believe are true. 90% of how I look town as scum is by calling townies town and hope that I can get by on PoE and that my partners look town. If I'd tried to 1v1 skitt as scum, it'd probably go ok for a bit and then I'd wear myself out by midway d1 and I'd be confirmed scum essentially

I actually think pooky is not so likely to be scum because I think they'd put themselves in the group of 3 in order to 1v1 people, because that's where I've seen scum!pooky be most comfortable

I've talked myself into this by PoE

VOTE: no face

Noo, it's a lame vote.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Not saying i would vote in the 3p hood here, but if i was. Theoretically. I'd probably want to vote out Bingle right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Idk if I’m TRing norwee for q good reason

Probably not actually

What’s the reason?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why are you answering instead of Mena, Pooky?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Infinity do you think 371 and 374 is a scumpost?

[NorwegianboyEE]

This rand sure has bad reads.

[NorwegianboyEE]

No @norwee

Then y r u voting No Face.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What if it's Bingle/ Vanderscamp

[NorwegianboyEE]

Because Bingle wants to tryhard?
Idk him very well, but i think he likes a challenge.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Vanderscamp has mostly just been posting posts like agreeing, or light mech talk. Not really that townie as usual.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Your scumread on Hectic just for being good at playing as scum is questionable, but otherwise. Sure.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Has Hectic done anything scummy >this game
Infinity?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ydrasse and vander don't go in the 6p hood as scum most likely

Why though?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think you should consider the current slots in the 3P group.
If any of Skitter/Bingle was put into the group as town VS scum!Vanderscamp or scum!Ydrasse they would likely get destroyed. So that means it is the scum strategy we need to look at. And that is that ballsy scum is in 3P and a endgaming scum is in 6P. And Ydrasse/Vanderscamp are both slots i could see being set up as potentially endgaming scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think you should consider the current slots in the 3P group.
If any of Skitter/Bingle was put into the group as town VS scum!Vanderscamp or scum!Ydrasse they would likely get destroyed. So that means it is the scum strategy we need to look at. And that is that ballsy scum is in 3P and a endgaming scum is in 6P. And Ydrasse/Vanderscamp are both slots i could see being set up as potentially endgaming scum.

???

have you ever played with scum!me? what?

I think you're town independently Ydrasse, but i'm just saying that Infinity's reasoning for ruling you and Vanderscamp out as scum based on being in the 6P group is flawed.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Vanderscamp

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think you should consider the current slots in the 3P group.
If any of Skitter/Bingle was put into the group as town VS scum!Vanderscamp or scum!Ydrasse they would likely get destroyed.

The thing is, it's way less risky for scum if that happens. If necessary, scum can put 1 or 2 limbaity players in the 3p group so that vander/ydrasse doesn't get destroyed

Yes, which is precisely why Vander/Ydrasse would only be scum in 3P group if the 3P group had much more limbaity players rather than the consesus "strong" players.
But Ydrasse/Vanderscamp could still theoretically have rolled scum in a world with the current 3p hood. So ruling them out as scum because of being in the 6p group is faulty.
Again, i don't scumread Ydrasse. But i do find Vanderscamp sus.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i’m asking more why you think i would be the end gaming one

You strike me as a player that would be really good at going undercover as scum and pocketing town.
Am i wrong?

[NorwegianboyEE]

My theory is that the hood distribution proves we have a ballsy player that wants to take on the big league and prove themselves in the small hood, and a more clever deepwolf that will be trying to sound town, harmless, and pocket town in the bigger hood.
Small hood is for the powerful bruiser, big hood for the long-living wolf.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not really sure people's scum playstyles divide like this

All mafia game solves should be cinematically pleasing and make for a ending of a good detective show episode where the detective explains the scum teams strategy and perfectly exposes them though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Long story short is that i more or less townread other slots in the 6p group and i think Vanderscamp's not really towntold yet and could therefore be scum just faking mediocre content.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The little i do know of your character from games long since past.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m not meta diving, i just remember.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think it’s proof my intuition has it’s moments of competency.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I certainly had no idea you linked a game in the hood establishing this trait. And i find it interesting you did, but regardless. My conclusion about your character is based on the game of C9++ we had 2 years ago.

[NorwegianboyEE]

viewtopic.php?f=52&t=81049&hilit=+bingle

[NorwegianboyEE]

i mean

it’s pro town if you’re town and we all decide you’re towny for it and don’t have to worry bout your alignment

Yeah but that doesn't seem to be the case and I should be ok with people SRing me, for future games you'll know that I can't play like this as scum

Sounds like town posting. Would be surprised if scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My theory is that the hood distribution proves we have a ballsy player that wants to take on the big league and prove themselves in the small hood, and a more clever deepwolf that will be trying to sound town, harmless, and pocket town in the bigger hood.
Small hood is for the powerful bruiser, big hood for the long-living wolf.

Long story short is that i more or less townread other slots in the 6p group and i think Vanderscamp's not really towntold yet and could therefore be scum just faking mediocre content.

Norwee, can you tell me about how these two positions mesh?

Cause I firmly agree with the gamestate read and think it heavily implies the read on Vander is wrong.

Why would it make Vander read wrong?
I’m still looking at the potential for other slots to be scum, but going by information so far i’ve found Vanders sus. Mena has been playing relatively above their usual scum meta. Pooky’s not clear, Ydrasse seems townie by their tone and posts, No Face made good analyzis. Vanderscamp hasn’t done anything i’ve found townie yet. (Keep in mind i’m still at page 20 ish so maybe it will change)

[NorwegianboyEE]

I would expect scum in that pool to try harder to appear town

I'm not sure I agree, I think trying to just be friendly with people is an approach scum!pooky could take. Tbh no face has been townier so I'm ok with voting pooky once we get a VC.

I have somewhat of a soul read on norwee and I don't think he ever flips scum here

From my limited experience with scum!Pooky he doesn’t tryhard as mafia. I don’t think it’s a good reason to townread Pooky from Vanders here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

im obvtown btw

Great, why?

read me iso

No, I want your take.

My take is that you're not at all obvtown.

And it’s not a very good take imo.

[NorwegianboyEE]

the essence of his push on me isn't "I scumread Pooky"

it's I town-read everyone else for ___, ____, ____, and _____

It leaves one person out of the equation, notably that's himself.

It's an effective strategy for pushing mis-elims on d1 because you create a coalition/support by handing out townreads to get people to help you, and you create a mutual target for everyone to go after.

It's also incredibly difficult for me to defend against because he's not actually scum-reading me for anything, so there's nothing for me to refute

then tomm after I'm flipped town he will "go back" to his townreads and "think" about where he went wrong.

But why would he be scum doing it? It seems very genuine to me, and i’ve almost reached the same conclusion.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You can tell this is what he is doing right now with his push on me. It's not alignment sorting - it's push to kill.

This really isn't true :<

Pooky’s making it out like it’s an very aggressive push from No Face, when it’s not. And that seems a bit disingenious from Pooky.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Pooky because what they just said about no face's scum read on them really made no sense at all.
This should be E-1

Hmm i don’t think it’s a bad wagon, but i’m also not really willing to let the day end yet if that makes sense.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And if Pooky flips town it wouldn’t be too telling since it seems everyone in the 6P scumreads Pooky to some extent.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Pooky if you want the reasons why I think you could be scum and have been on the back of No Face's mind:

In the last coalition game you played as town, you were really excited about the prospect of a day 1 win and actively pushed hard for it. But while doing this you were also outting lots of reads are trying to win the game by finding town and scum

In this game, you acted similarly about the big day 1 win but did nothing to help it like giving reads or finding town/scum. It's like you're going through the motions but not doing the fieldwork I saw you were eager to do in that coalition game

:/

I like this though. And i think Pooky’s continued push on No Face here and characterizing their push as aggressive or somehow unfounded is a bit dirty.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yes, I hate this wagon so much

Why is this a thing

Basically anyone on the wagon bar maybe ydrasse would be a better wagon

Literally why

If you’re town and at least two of you are why are you throwing

Ok i take that back. Mena is the token resistance.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mena you're 0.01% to like any reason I give for a scumread. I gave some vague feelings about why I don't TR pooky here but really it's just gut. I don't think reasons that make Objective Sense™ to SR people are at all useful because scum can just think of them and avoid them

I think this is why Mena hates everything i do. Cus i rarely have objectively and completely unpersonal reasons for scumreading slots.

[NorwegianboyEE]

none of me, no face, norwee, or vanders is notably more towny than pooky

Are you fucking high?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Pooky didn't really solve in matrix decipher hmm

They usually solve as town though

VOTE: mena PoE baybee

(Also jingle voting pooky is a bit worrying for me so this is probably correct, mena coming in and being upset after the soul circle thing is scummy)

Why is that scummy for Mena?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m saying this wagon is trash because there’s no reason to suspect pooky over multiple others in the 6p pool, and therefore the incredible ease with which he arrived at e-1 WITHOUT good reasons is a good reason to think now that he’s town

I don’t think there’s no reason. But your point that it’s too easy is a decent point.

[NorwegianboyEE]

oh my god the one time i am confident and you all scorn me

Haha, Ydrasse reads amirite? xD

[NorwegianboyEE]

I haven't even pushed you until I gave you multiple chances to re-evaluate your push on me in the light of new information and seeing that you chose to ignore it each and every time I have no alternative but to see this as a scum motivated push to kill and not genuine in trying to sort me.

Is this another read where you randomly catch scum but suck at explaining it, or just a wrong/bad push?

[NorwegianboyEE]

are you serious

did you not just play that mini with us where I hard defended the shit out of norwee-town?[/q]
I think pooky is even more mafia now

I think it is EXTREMELY scummy to say "well who could this player possibly have pushed on other than me?" and then try to use the above as a reason why no face wouldn't be inclined to push Norwegian, to nitpick at an answer to a question that is very obviously wrong.
Like, it should be extremely clear to everyone that pooky is not literally the only player in the pool of six that no face could have pushed on.

What? Sorry, i don't understand why this makes you think Pooky is even more mafia? Although my focus is ebbing. It's been a long day for me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: norwee

Norwee can you acknowledge Mene voting you and let us know your thoughts and feelings

Uh i haven't read up to the point where he apparently votes me. But i just want to say that Mena should stop pretending he knows how to read me, because he can't.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Page 37 and i'm so fucking tired.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I will only speak in iambic pentameter in all micro games I play for the rest of 2021 if the next 4 posts are norwee votes

Great case Mena.

[NorwegianboyEE]

lol

Bc I think that after actually looking back at the posts between pooky and hectic it could be SvT but it could be TvT

If it’s the latter, which seems more likely after rereading around 600 (I think, this is off memory), the person who seems most set up to benefit from that is norwee

Benefit? My vote is Vanderscamp.
You're just looking at the one vote off-wagon and thinking i'm scum because i didn't give a fuck about the Pooky wagon, and you literally just said Pooky wagon was bad. Like at least try to use your brain.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm functionally the exact opposite. I'd rather have a suboptimal elimination and enough content to analyze later on, and I think your stance is an inherently silly one.

Also, I'm fully confident in my ability to force through a Pooky elim if I decide that's what I really want.

The vast majority of games I've played online have days much shorter than they tend to on this site, so we probably have different ideas of what it means to have enough content.

Obviously I'd prefer more content to less content, and I'm a pretty big believer in generally playing conservatively and not majjing people before they have a chance to claim etc, but I also think there is very clear value to having a full day of tallies that actually could mean something, including the chance of an occasional shorter day, than having a meta where everyone knows that votes that get made before like one irl day before deadline are all completely meaningless because no one is willing to maj anyone. That's my version of risking suboptimal eliminations to maximise content, and I am not even a big believer in voting analysis.

But especially in this set, like, I just want the best lynch.
If we kill the scum in the big pool, we autowin the game regardless of how much content we have.
Given the opportunity, I would happily hammer pooky right now.

This just feels like filler.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok Mena, whatever.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can you vote Vanderscamp when you're done with your temper tantrum and temporary psychosis that makes you somehow believe i'm scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Pooky’s making it out like it’s an very aggressive push from No Face, when it’s not. And that seems a bit disingenious from Pooky.

Norwee how dead do I have to be before it's considered aggressive?

I mean it's not like i'm saying you shouldn't defend yourself. But defending by attacking and characterizing his reads as an extreme target assault towards you seems like an overreaction and a bit extreme.
I do think you've entered town range from recent postings though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Going thru the votes/players on it:
Nor - dont remember his vote or like anything he's said

I wasn't on it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My only vote today is Vanderscamp, and from what i've seen i'm not leaving it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Vanderscamp is all talk, and not actually townie.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ydrasse, Mena, Pooky, No Face have all felt town.
Vandercamp's felt fake. He was so obviously town to me in the previous game we had, here his posts seem artificial and constructed.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ydrasse, Mena, Pooky, No Face have all felt town.
Vandercamp's felt fake. He was so obviously town to me in the previous game we had, here his posts seem artificial and constructed.

And which one of me/skitter/Infinity puts him in the pool where he literally has to survive?

It doesn't really matter if he flips scum. We win anyway.
But i'm feeling Infinity town as of right now, so either one of you or Skitter in most likelihood.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It doesn't really matter if he flips scum. We win anyway.
But i'm feeling Infinity town as of right now, so either one of you or Skitter in most likelihood.

And why do skitter or I put the player with one recent completed scumgame who was vigged N1 in the position of "Absolutely has to duck elimination"?

Was you and Skitter in that game he was vigged?

[NorwegianboyEE]

For Example, this post below is the closest thing he made in terms of a post where he's actually giving reasons for why I am scum:

Pooky if you want the reasons why I think you could be scum and have been on the back of No Face's mind:

In the last coalition game you played as town, you were really excited about the prospect of a day 1 win and actively pushed hard for it. But while doing this you were also outting lots of reads are trying to win the game by finding town and scum

In this game, you acted similarly about the big day 1 win but did nothing to help it like giving reads or finding town/scum. It's like you're going through the motions but not doing the fieldwork I saw you were eager to do in that coalition game

:/

1. That coalition game was me and koba hydra'd and we were both spamming the game cuz when you put 2 alpha-shitposters in a hydra you get an alpha-shitposter squared.

2. my reads that game weren't very good - pretty much had a scum in my coalition the whole time, I was wrong about farren almost the entire way I think?

3. me taking over the thread that game actually stagnated the game state because once everyone was like "ok bear is obvtown and we will sheep them" - the game state slowed down dramatically and people stopped posting as much and we ended up getting bored and not having really an idea of what to do.

4. the only thing I thought I did successfully that game was abuse norwee enough to the point where he obvtown'd himself. I felt kind of bad about that afterwards and I think I'm better at reading him now so I don't think I need to resort to a full scale shitpush just to sort his slot anymore.

I explain the differences in the two games played and why it's not only a bad comparison between the two games, but also why I wouldn't repeat the same moves that I made in that game in this game.

Most importantly being that the moves I made in that game didn't really

work

for reaching my goal which was a day 1 coalition win.

He responded to my response about his suspicion with an off-hand joke about how he just waits for other people to sort norwee a few posts later and ignores my other points.

Do you think that's a good faith effort to sort me?

I'll consider it just because you were right about Farkran. But i still think his analysis pages prior was pretty townie.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And yes, i didn't read the Vanderscamp scum game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Who in the 3p chooses Vanderscamp to be the scum that has to stay alive longer? Vanderscamp, for reference, has one recently completed scumgame where he was vigged N1 afaict.

If Skitter/Bingle wasn't in this game he was supposedly vigged as scum i find it a bit sus Bingle keeps bringing it up, like they came up with a plan to use this as the line of defense if Vanderscamp ever get's run up.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Was you and Skitter in that game he was vigged?

Nope. Do you think I wouldn't have asked a potential scumbuddy if they could carry the game before making them carry the game?

This is WIFOM territory and i don't care for it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you say "Lmao, i would NEVER do that as scum" that just shows it is perfectly valid for scum!you to do exactly that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why then, are you voting Vanderscamp instead of me.

Because we're voting in 6P today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You're also giving me scum!Flavour Leaf vibes.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Pooky, No Face. What's your reasons for scumreading/not scumreading any of Vanderscamp/Bingle?

[NorwegianboyEE]

You've both got so much words to spare on each other, how about sharing some on other slots.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I will be voting Vanderscamp because if he's scum with you or anyone else it's an insta-win.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I will be voting Vanderscamp because if he's scum with you or anyone else it's an insta-win.

Do you agree or disagree that he's probably not scum with anyone else?

At the moment i find it unlikely but still plausible that Vanderscamp, if scum, is with Infinity. But i could see Skitter and you, easily.
My scumread on Vanderscamp is finding him individually scummy though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I feel like Vandercamp's been avoiding talking about my read on him, and it's concerning me. I wanted to vibe with him as usual, but it's like he's just not there. In body yes, but his spirit is gone.

[NorwegianboyEE]

He feels much townier than when I vigged him

You vigged him in that game?
Well that makes Infinity/Vanderscamp even more unlikely than it already was.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This is a true 1v1 between No Face / Pooky
They are completely deaf to any other sounds.
Kinda makes it feel even more townie tbh. I'd expect scum!them to try to win over everyone else's side in pushing through the other as an elimination rather than just have pure arguing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

He feels much townier than when I vigged him

You vigged him in that game?
Well that makes Infinity/Vanderscamp even more unlikely than it already was.

Why does that make them less likely?.?

Bingle's point about Vanderscamp needing to be considered a very good endgame player if they were to be put in the 6P. And if Infinity already has the bias that "Vanderscamp isn't good at scum" they'd probably want to be in the 6p pool.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway, looking forward to Vanderscamp coming back on so i can see his responses. Looking less forward to Mena coming back on to rant about how i'm obvscum.
Most likely taking a break now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Btw Pook, i didn’t read up to now so i don’t know if you’ve changed your stance over the course of today. But do you think you would still have scumread No Face if his PoE reads singled out someone else other than you? Or is it largely based on you thinking you should be read as town up to that point?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hey now, i’m just considering if maybe Teddy Bears are a bit more developmentally stunted when compared to hunmans. I meant no harm with it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@mena: i haven't the foggiest idea what the thought process was behind the 3p and i can't imagine why i'd make this group either. i also will not vote vander today and i dont know why you're scumreading him. he's literally flipbait and doesn't really have a scumpartner imo

Please explain what makes him flipbait, and also why he’s unlikely to have a partner. Both you and Bingle have been defending him and calling him town for less than stellar reasons from my POV.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i mean no offense! <3 but in this pl a lot of people know each other and are considered hard pushes and you are one of the people who are, like, not and i townread you so i think that i need to quash these as they come up cuz otherwise if you're town i'd bet good money that you're gonna end up as a misflip

Is this why you think Vander is flipbait? Because i’ve played one game with him, and an certain amount of other players seem to have done the same.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like how do I get through to you ?

I mean, i get your frustration in not being able to convince me if you’re town here and certain you’re right. But i’m not the type of player that get’s convinced by the exact same argument repeated over and over again. You’re going to have to find another way if you’re that certain No Face is scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t think Pooky unvoted Farkran in the previous game? But here he does?

[NorwegianboyEE]

As in, unvoted No Face.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i mean no offense! <3 but in this pl a lot of people know each other and are considered hard pushes and you are one of the people who are, like, not and i townread you so i think that i need to quash these as they come up cuz otherwise if you're town i'd bet good money that you're gonna end up as a misflip

Is this why you think Vander is flipbait? Because i’ve played one game with him, and an certain amount of other players seem to have done the same.

I don't really disagree!

If we're both here, do you want to talk more about why you think I'm suspicious?

I’m just making short observations inbetween my work so i can’t really go in depth right now. At least for 5 more hours.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It’s lowkey weird that norwee hasn’t wanted to talk to me all game

What’s weird? Sometimes there’s nothing to say. I think you’re town and don’t want to aggravate you by saying something unnecesarry because you always scumread me for that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You could tell me why you scumread Vanderscamp. It was for their E-1 vote right?
I kinda agree with you in it being scummy because i feel like Vanderscamp is mostly just taking what other people have said and using it as his own reads. Rather than individual thought.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like you’re not curious on how I went from null->scum->town

Tbh, no.
I don’t really need to know. It’s not like you having a weird progression on me is anything new.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah i pretty much agree on the top suspects being Vander or if that fails. One of Pooky/No Face.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Doubt it’s Ydrasse/you.
Between Hectic/Pooky i’ts really hard because i feel like both could be scum. Either Pooky wanted to force through an No Face lim but sucks at it, or No Face is scum and Pooky is the only sane man that can see it. Aka, the Farkran effect.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But i also have reasons to townread both Pook/No Face while Vanderscamp i just don’t find townie by play. I’ve seen the points about mechanically he could be more likely town, or he doesn’t have an viable teammate in the 3P and all that. But i don’t think that’s correct and could be just manipulation from the scum in 3P h
Group, because it seems odd to me, if Vanderscamp is town. That literally nobody in the 3P group would vote Vanderscamp or agree at least somewhat strongly that he could be scum. Instead we get hard defense or just some light shrugs/mild defense/distractions when the topic of Vander is brought up.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah i’m pretty sure No Face is townier than Pooky?
Do you still hate the idea of an Pooky wagon Mena? I think Hectic’s making many good points.
If i wasn’t voting Vander it would be Pooky right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Was Skitter the one that said Ydrasse "wasn’t even close to lock-town" or something to that effect?

Yeah, i could see Skitter!scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like how do I get through to you ?

I mean, i get your frustration in not being able to convince me if you’re town here and certain you’re right. But i’m not the type of player that get’s convinced by the exact same argument repeated over and over again. You’re going to have to find another way if you’re that certain No Face is scum.

he is literally doing the same thing farkran did in the last game pushing me lol

Farkran/Hectic's not the same person...

[NorwegianboyEE]

The more this argument drags on the more i just want us to vote Vanderscamp.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@norwee why do you TR ydra?

It seems unlikely they'd be in 6p instead of their partner if one of them was scum with her. Also i saw their soul reading thing on Hectic in another game and while i thought it was weird and scummy as fuck at the time, it turns out she was town and really did sincerely mean it. So i'm assuming it's the same here and she's just town doing it. Also i think their tone has generally been good.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What is sumrando?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mena/You/Ydrasse/NoHectic/Pooky/Vander

Off the top of my head, Mena and Pooky aren't particularly easy to miselim or pull the wool over their eyes. I don't see you as particularly mislim baity given our interactions, and Skitts seems to actively be defending you when she's here. Let's give the benefit of the doubt here and say skitts thinks NoHectic is SumRando. Even so, does that look like the basket that skitts puts all her eggs into?

Are you saying you think Infinity or you would be more mislim baity to have in the 6p grouping in a scum!Skitter world? Or that Vander would be in the 3P if scum? Or that it's just unlikely to have Skitter/Vander scum in this current grouping whatsoever?
Your current take is Pooky!scum correct? Why would Pooky be in the 6p with either of scum!Infinity or scum!Skitter in the 3P VS you? That seems quite strange.

[NorwegianboyEE]

-,-

I will vig you again.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Huh, neat.
Maybe Infinity was right.
D5 wins are more satisfying.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I was enjoying this game and it’s over already.
Pooky u suck, play better!

[NorwegianboyEE]

Pooky's insistence on classifying No Face's reads as an targeted assault against him and hardpushing for his lim based on it was pretty bad too, let's not forget about that part.