ThisIn post 5018, Noraa wrote:I happen to think murdercat has a higher scum possibility atm but I'm fine with launching Maria asap.
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literally all you have done this game is act offended people are scumreading youIn post 5026, MariaR wrote:You still think I can be a wolf with that team? Anyone who has history with me should know how unlikely that is
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you don't have interactions with anyoneIn post 5032, MariaR wrote:
The fact I don't have many interactions with the flipped wolves should point enough to the fact I'm town.In post 5030, Noraa wrote:How are you cleared off interactions?
With a wolf team like that who doesn't seem to work together much if I was a wolf looking at the VCs you would've saw wolves voting more or at least me trying to give some direction. Does that look like a well directed wolf team so far to you?
Plus, I don't think anyone will argue that if I am a wolf I'm probably the best one out of the 4. Considering I have...almost no damning/clearing interactions that should be answer enough.
If I was a wolf I would've made some waited for someone else to point it out and just pushed out villas. This entire game goes against any gameplan I would've had for Teammafia as a wolf.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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we can yeet Murder first but it really annoys me how Maria is playing up this boo-hoo act when literally everybody can see how useless and scummy she has been all gameBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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It reads to me like Murder is giving up
Like we haven't seen any push or passion from him for a few game days nowBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Jake playing the game from dead chat or somethingBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Does scum do this as the last scum left??In post 5068, MURDERSUNNY wrote:Please don't let Maria live to endgame.
VOTE: MURDERSUNNY
Hammer me Gypyx.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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You feel scummy because redactedIn post 5091, MURDERSUNNY wrote:I am paranoid because you aren't TRing me
Also I said only if you were alive in elo...
Same goes for cake
And you just aren't trying. Where's the town Murder passion?Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Yeah AtE seems like the play here if he's scumIn post 5142, Jingle wrote:
ATE? Why not? He knew he wasn’t E1 and he’s pretty obviously going today unless something drastic changes.In post 5138, SirCakez wrote:
Does scum do this as the last scum left??In post 5068, MURDERSUNNY wrote:Please don't let Maria live to endgame.
VOTE: MURDERSUNNY
Hammer me Gypyx.
I'm just not sure it's the tact scum Murder takes. It's not like they are no other elim options, people have expressed interest in Maria and GypyxBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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murder's AtE is working on me :/
feeling tempted to vote Gyp
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really good post JingleIn post 5204, Jingle wrote:
FWIW:In post 5201, MURDERSUNNY wrote:-Hard push cake and back off to push my scum buddy instead
-TR Pooky for protecting Kanna
-Claim MT is scum instead of Monty
1. I don't think a hard-push on cakez to a largely reactionary stance shift in the face of PB's case is particularly town indicative, and is in fact the sole reason you're so low in my PoE, other than sheeping the reads of the dead.
2. I don't see why agreeing with the majority there is particularly towny.
3. I actually would like to hear more about this. Where would you say you tried to shift the Monty-lim onto Tweets? I don't remember that, but if it did happen that is 100% the kind of thing that would make me reconsider my vote.
I think that the best argument for Murdertown is that early D1 he played a really strong town game. That fell apart when we got to the gated dayplay portion of the game, as Cheet put it, but that's completely understandable to me.
This game has been mired in a shithole of inactivity and low inertia plays, and to an extent I blame our success at PRs. I think both PB and Cheet played their roles incredibly well at night, and kinda shittily during the day. We haven't had a chance for people to make waves or push their own choices since early on D1, which produced an environment where scum pretty much didn't need to do anything to blend in. I fully believe we would have lost this game to Pooky if Cheet hadn't caught him mechanically, because town is so fucking demoralized. If the game ended right now and I had to award tiebreaks (assuming murder scum), my list would be PB>Cheet>Noraa>Cakez>Zaiden, and I know the primary pushes from Noraa and Cakez are wrong because they're on me. Murder would 100% be somewhere near the top as town, and tbh I'd probably put spf at the very top of the list because they didn't contribute at all to the dangerous position we're in.
This game has functionally changed. We're not looking at interactions anymore, but rather survivalism. Town no longer has to care about looking town themselves, they have to figure out the people who are trying to outlast the game. And the traditional skill of "Being town" is completely useless here, because the sole motivation of scum as of Pooky's flip is "Being town". Cheet acknowledged that he left us in a shitty position, and we (including me) have done nothing so far today to remedy it.
I put forward my list, and my reasoning, and I'm fairly certain I'm not so godlike that literally no one disagrees with it, but I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY ARGUMENTS THAT GO AGAINST IT, WHEN THOSE ARE LITERALLY THE BEST THING FOR THE THREAD RIGHT NOW.
Noraa and Cakez both put out paranoia feelers of "Maybe Jinglescum" and no one bit. I see two arguments for me to be town (and frankly, while they're valid or I'd be screaming for a maria/murder lim here instead of just passively supporting it, they're not locktowning by any means, even without the paranoia normally attributed to my scumgame by anyone who has been told anything about me, which I assume is everyone in this thread by now).
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Even if the Murder case wasn't that good, these responses read scummily to me.In post 5196, Gypyx wrote:
yes, that was an entrance vote, peoples rarely go on a hard serious push with thoseEasy vote
plus the only way to sort noraa is emotion, so like, lol
not understeanding this one so idk, feels like it's stretchy to me tho
I feel like this is a scum thing to say to justify getting off a bad readIn post 165, Gypyx wrote:huh okay
i think their reasoning is scummy, but applied in a towny way so it's ~fine~
maybe 'cause the answer was 300 posts later and i just didn't find answerable stuff / lost interesting? idkThis interaction went nowhere after SB responded.
ah yes, because only scum has changing viewpoints / a team to confront opinions with and see if their reads are just craziness
Immediately walking back a scum readIn post 305, Gypyx wrote:
mostly that you're painfully null compared to your postcountIn post 301, midwaybear wrote:People are legitimately scumreading me?
if ya got any super duper town post i'd be happy to have it pointed out though
same answer, although i don't feel proud about this post tbh
Same here.In post 324, Gypyx wrote:
nah, it's more that like, if you were town, i'd expect you (including anyone else) to say something towny, here idk if i just can't see it, but your ISO is nullville to meIn post 312, midwaybear wrote:
Ok, so you think I am scum trying to look good by highposting then? Bad method to get a read tbh.In post 305, Gypyx wrote:mostly that you're painfully null compared to your postcount
Noraa, if you think I am scum for "bad faith approaching you", then I think you need to reconsider that read. I just don't want you to get away with doing nothing. Sure, you might think that me accusing you of that is surface level, but at the time, you really weren't doing much.
you think it's worth a push? if so why didn't you push when i posted it
Pooky does nothing with this.In post 336, Gypyx wrote:
no one pinging me basicallyIn post 334, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
lolwutIn post 332, Gypyx wrote:and also that i don't have anywhere else to go tbh lol
spring wagon came from basically nowhere tho
OofIn post 499, Gypyx wrote:wait wtf where does that spring wagon comes from
and pretty sure i don't just stand there completely static as scum just saying "huh, that's a quick wagon
sorry to not make 5 pages long cases / have any super ultra strong tr's my guy, agree it's kinda scummy but that's all
No substance here.In post 608, Gypyx wrote:well, i'm gonna trust the peoples with meta on mwb so far VOTE: Cheeotry
cuz what has been said so far + this post
overjustificaton imoIn post 428, Cheetory6 wrote:I'm not gonna not vote someone if I think their posting is scummy-looking just because it comes right after a vote on me. Lol.
forgetting where my vote is is a thing i do as town as I said before, i'd even argue it's more likely to happen to me as town but whatever
Forgetting where his vote was? Also has no idea where to push, waiting for town to do something.In post 767, Gypyx wrote:Sup y'all
Iv has a TR on mwb so imma leave him be UNVOTE:
Dunno where to go next though
love that conclusion tho
has no idea where to push = he's scum waiting for town to eat himself while his buddies are getting pushed, man, i'm so big brain scum
ah yes, deliberately making zaiden see he's not being really pushed by me, t'was prob a bad post, but i could've definetly sticked to him in a parallel universe
Fake pressure, setting up the hop off the wagon. Not something I think you say if you think the person you are voting has a chance of being scum.In post 774, Gypyx wrote:So just pressure?
I can get behind that, don't expect me to stick around if his answers are decent though VOTE: zaiden
yesPure sheep
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I was hoping nobody would ask because I can't really explain it. Mostly the tone of it feels indignant in a bad way.In post 5210, midwaybear wrote:What reads scummily? This is completely unhelpful, and it makes you look a little scummy. Come on, give us some moreBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Everyone should pick either Murder or Gypyx so we can move onBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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I buy the arguments that have been presented that she doesn't make sense as scum hereBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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This for exampleIn post 5210, midwaybear wrote:Also, this might have been missed. But my read on Maria has shifted to lean-town because she has changed virtually nothing about her play. Her general trend for the beginning few days has been to push a couple of reads and make some hammers. I think it was initially suspicious, but I think the repeated nature of it makes it somewhat townie.
That being said, some people were saying that Spring's interactions with Maria looked good for her. These people pulled up quotes where Spring had paranoia on Maria iirc. I think I actually thought that those interactions were scummy at the time because the paranoia could be TMI Maria scum. Definitely need to revisit that and expand my thoughts.
Also, agree with Jingle about apathy. I'm guilty of it too, but I'm also slightly more optimistic that we'll be able to figure things out (fingers crossed).Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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So your SR on Gyp was just based on him not doing much?Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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This kinda just makes me want to go back to MURDER.In post 5263, MURDERSUNNY wrote:VOTE: MariaR
given Gypyx is actually trying to do stuff. I'd like to see Maria do .. anything?Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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I don't have enough energy to fight over which of Murder/Gyp/Maria gets yeeted first tbfBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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I think I'm back to just murder > gyp > mariaIn post 5300, midwaybear wrote:
What is your preferred order and why?In post 5296, SirCakez wrote:I don't have enough energy to fight over which of Murder/Gyp/Maria gets yeeted first tbfBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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I will hammer any of the three at this pointBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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VOTE: maria
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oooops sorry midway I skimmed part this >.<In post 5319, midwaybear wrote:Not yet. I’m asking teammate about something that might be helpful.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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if this is town Murder tomorrowBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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quick say what your teammates had
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No peaches
Time to murder MURDERBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Name alternative suspectsIn post 5344, MURDERSUNNY wrote:I'm kinda worried all three of us are town tbhBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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That is exactly what I'd expect scum Murder to be doing here
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No fuck offIn post 5368, midwaybear wrote:
How about you?In post 5346, SirCakez wrote:
Name alternative suspectsIn post 5344, MURDERSUNNY wrote:I'm kinda worried all three of us are town tbhBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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I'd like to put more effort in here but the week from hell (including shopping for college stuff, week 2 of my fucking insane classes, moving back in to school and then a trip to visit my aunt and grandpa) is coming at me so that will be TBDBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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@murder are you just saying it's Gamma here?In post 5346, SirCakez wrote:
Name alternative suspectsIn post 5344, MURDERSUNNY wrote:I'm kinda worried all three of us are town tbh
I am legit interested in your opinionBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Because Murder is dying today no matter what
If it's not him then we have to look elsewhere no? So might as well get info out of him in case.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Also before some crackpot comes after me I vended to Jingle last nightBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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who Murder? because he has just been apathetic as hell since day 2In post 5391, midwaybear wrote:
Why do you find him scummy? I'm not a fan of you continuing this POE approach, and not really thinking. At least act like you are solving between Murder/Gypyx/...In post 5389, SirCakez wrote:Because Murder is dying today no matter what
until today he was playing just like he did in Panic Room (which just ended) where he was scumBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Does anyone actually get something relevant from the pies? All I've seen from it is more fruit related stuff which is basically irrelevant if scum are multitasking.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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what are you referring to here? I'm confusedIn post 5414, Noraa wrote:potentially the scummiest thing said all gameBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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if no one has a serious reason to not yeet Murder here let's yeet pleaseBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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He's not doing much of anythingBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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VOTE: murderBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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hammer plsBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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??????? Yeah wtf is going onBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Murder even if you flip town it's not elo tomorrow...Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Yeah i think it's massclaim time
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I want to put serious time into this game but I won't be able to until later this weekBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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im here but I just can't put much time in here rnBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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when I have time later this week I plan to review the ISOs of all the dead scumBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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i don't understand why there was a strongman???Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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all of town PRs were just two 2-shot watchers? really?Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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i am just having the week from hell i can't do it right now and we have lots of time still
sorry guysBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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I will have time for this game this weekend!!!Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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No elim is not a terrible idea since we're on evensBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Midway has been taking potshots at me for a while now and it irks meBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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