Mini 2204: Fakeclaim Mafia GAME OVER

[SirCakez]

I'm here to kick ass and chew gum and I'm all out of gum

[SirCakez]

Pooky want to continue our beef across games?

[SirCakez]

Oh dear

[SirCakez]

Pooky want to continue our beef across games?

our fake beef? :3

yes why not?

ARGHHHH POOKY IS SCUM WHY WON'T ANYONE LISTEN TO ME
I WILL WRITE THE CASE TOMORROW

[SirCakez]

The Pooky Case: Or, Why PookyTheMagicalBear Does Not Have Your Back~

PROLOGUE

Please note that I am only analyzing Pooky's day 1 as that is where my scumread originates from.

THESIS

Pooky's entire day 1 strategy revolved around buddying people and coasting until he got pressure from me for it. After that point, he dedicated the rest of his day to an essentially OMGUS push on me INCLUDING SIGNIFICANTLY AT THE KEY POINT WHERE IT WAS EITHER MASTINA OR I WHO WAS GOING TO BE ELIMMED.
He did not perform ANY original scumhunting day 1 - all of his pushes day 1 consist of either sheeping or attacking people who attacked him.
He used being leashed to LLD as an excuse to not take responsibility for his vote.
He repeatedly expressed fake-ass indignation that anyone could be scumreading him - despite all of the above.

PART 1 - THE COASTING AND LACK OF SCUMHUNTING

I have 0 knowledge of this show and what its about

i dont even know who the bad guys are

so im definitely town

Pooky do you think continuing to proclaim that I'm scum every time I post is going to get you townread?

I can tell you rn it's not working

im already locktown dude

i dont even know who the bad guys are or what they do

This kind of posting is a recurring theme in Pooky's ISO. Repeated self-declarations of being obvious town, despite basically nobody thinking so.
Also note the LAMIST attempt as he repeatedly notes that he does not know "who the bad guys are"

VOTE: Dunnstral

I want to see how this version of Spiffeh is

This is his FIRST post that could be construed as scumhunting - NEARLY TWENTY PAGES INTO THE GAME
and it's a VOTE SHEEPING SPIFFEH
NO original thoughts from scumbear

grumble grumble

VOTE: mathblade

He moves his vote here ONLY BECAUSE LLD tells him to
There is no actual desire to scumhunt

And Pooky imho is scum.

lolol what

I don't even know who the bad guys in the show are

you can't seriously scumread me

that's absurd

AGAIN the LAMIST and super fake indignance at being scumread
NOBODY could read Pooky's ISO up to this point and seriously argue that it's unreasonable to scumread him here

what would I even be SR'd for lol

see above

I am a teddy bear tho

this is when I was attacking him early on, before he realized he was going to need to push me back and discredit me. so he goes for the "i'm so innocent I couldn't be scum" act

Pooky, you worry me.

I shouldn't worry you unless you're scum

in which case

you should be very very worried.

but not really cuz I am a lazy bear who is going to take it easy in his semi-retired old age

I'm going to need more from even a semi-retired bear to have a comfortable read.

I'm waiting for our delinquents to post b4 I present my hero solve

more excuses not to scumhunt

i dont believe you scumread me either lol

you gotta put feeling into your fake scumreads dude

More of his shitty acting that he just CANT BELIEVE someone would be scumreading him!!
note that at this point - 30 pages into the game - he still has not had ANY original scumhunting

this is so bad i think u r trying to make me look bad after u redflip so people will be like. oooh scumtheater

you should go back to that game you tunneled me and study how you sound like when you are town and actually believe you are right lol

LOOK AT THIS OMGUS HERE
he realizes his "friendly bear" act is not working on Math and instead diverts to discrediting
it's the EXACT same tactic he does later with me

Also I am probably soon going to reach my threshold on the number of players allowed to scum read me without punishment. Objectively this is the most obviously town I have been in a game in a year or two at least and I will no longer be tolerating scum reads on me at this time.

Thank you all for your concern in this matter.

I am only giving you a TR because my SRs are full and I will get back to you if any of my SRs flips green and I have a spot open.

what TRs? what SRs? If you read Pooky's ISO to this point, HE HAS NOT DECLARED ANY ORIGINAL READS
HE ONLY SHEEPS

I am always tonally very town

Quite possibly the towniest town who ever towned

etc etc so much of this garbage in his ISO

I'm not nervous your logic is terrible if it's what I think you're implying.
Why would I be coaching Math in thread if we were buddies?

Refuge in Bad Play

This is such a dumb argument anyways
Literally nowhere on site does coaching in the main game thread still happen

are you more insulted by GI's lack of belief in your scum skills

or my belief that you'd actually openly coach a buddy in the thread

or MB's belief that it should be him coaching you and not the other way around?

:3

there's only one correct answer that Town!Cakez would make

terrible accusation calling me a bad player for his stupid accusation that I was coaching Math in thread
This is a key point - this is where he realized he needs to start discrediting me because I am on his ass and his "friendly bear" shtick is not working

math at this point you might as well just claim which scum character you are lol

this is his other attack that he spent a good amount of day 1 repeating - calling Math scum because Math pushed him
Pooky does not have ANY original pushes day 1 - EVERYTHING he pushed day 1 was either a sheep or attacking someone who pushed him first

All of the above
All three of you are clowns

TFW scum!Cake can't figure out how town!Cake would respond and tries goes for the "all of the above gambit"

what the hell does this even mean?

And think of it this way, if Dunn ends up being a mislim (doubt), you get to blame it all on me and call me bad.

It's a win/win.

if I move my vote away from Mathblade LLD will kill me so pretty sure it's a loss bro

This is another key aspect of Pooky's play day 1 that reeks of scum - his whole "i'm leashed to LLD" thing that he pulls out of nowhere. he never even declares it officially - he just randomly decides at some point that he can't move his vote. this is a PERFECT excuse to not take responsibility for what went down at eod day 1.

pooky's BLOOD needs to be fed to the blood gods by day three

ridiculous

garbage

We are heartless monsters who only feel pleasure at human suffering and the thought of a willing sacrifice arouses us.

excellent

VOTE: Titus

TAKE A LOOK AT THIS - what happened to being leashed to LLD here?? It's like he's scared to vote me.

I also want to kill cakez regardless of what Titus flips

trying to chain elims etc etc

Pooky, what reads do you really feel conviction on? I see you say Math/Titus/Cakez scum.

highest conviction SRs:

cake/mb/titus

lower level SRs:

bork/sangres hydra

Meh level TR:
Dunnstral

highest level conviction TRs:

kuribo/Bell/Spiffeh

Look at these shit reads
What are sangres and bork doing in his scumpile? He literally did not mention them before in his ISO to this point.
Math and I are basically OMGUS and then he has Titus who he probably was keeping open to bussing.
VERY SIGNIFICANTLY MASTINA IS NOT IN HERE

all Pooky talks about is how scummy I am and he's not even voting me LMAO

because I am leashed to LLD or have you not been paying attention at all?

I thought you were like super scum reading me

already established this is a lie

also fucking scumbear has gone MIA
I didn't forget about you Pooky, you're next after we dispose of your scumqueen Titus

cakeboi

not a single post you have made this entire game makes me think you actually believe I am scum.

it's comical at this point.

This is a SUPER IMPORTANT point - this is where Pooky starts to go in hard on his push on me. EoD was coming here, mastina was in the danger zone. I'm guessing she asked Pooky to start helping her try to miselim me in the scum PT.
I'm not gonna quote all of his posts for this but the tl;dr is he thinks I'm faking my read on him. which OBVIOUSLY is not true.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN SCUMBEAR
"not wasting posts" fucking BULLSHIT since when have you cared about that??

I've obviously been extremely restrained in my shitposting lol.

my goal was to come in under 125 posts since that is the allotment per player - I was at 110 before logging in today.

I am deciding to go over the limit since the deadline is 11 hours away and we are probably not going to run out of posts to use.

I'm going to stop wasting time talking to you.

Come up with an actual case if you want to prove you are town.

Otherwise this is just feeble and pathetic.

altho I do want to bring this post back up because he totally lies here - he starts attacking me again within like two pages
this was just grasping at towncred for "not spamming"

PART 2 - THE BUDDYING

Spiffeh and Math both kind of just reminding me of their scum game, but on the otherhand, they both appear incapable of rolling town in games I'm in so take that with a grain of salt or 10.

let's be real

Spiffey is allergic to the color green

i feel affected by this AtE

im ready to let him live even if he is scum

cuz he is so interested in this game I'd feel bad almost

Obvious

sisterly love

buddying Math

I am a teddy bear tho

this is also under coasting but I feel it belongs down here too

Oh nachgres do you have any thoughts on spiffeh?

pretty firmly townreading him at this point in the read.

I feel unfairly persecuted by this

maybe you just like spiffs more than me

playing up his "friendly bear" act again

#1 Fiery Fan

obvious

In other news, I think borkjerfkin could be scum. Can we wagon him too?

i support this read

spiffeh might actually be town lol

more sheeping + trying to get into Spiff's pocket

We should totally run that Nuke Meme game back tho :>

appealing to nostalgia

winning is never the point.

having fun is the point

*hugs*

obvious

PART 3 - MASTINA

Hi Mastina

why haven't you called me scum yet?

This seems like a good time for a readslist!

Lady Lambdadelta
Kitty Trauma Team (hydra of Malakittens and kuribo)
PookyTheMagicalBear
sangres (hydra of fferyllt and Nachomamma8)
Tammy
Bell

Titus
Spiffeh

Battle Mage
borkjerfkin
GreyICE
quiet

Dunnstral

MathBlade

Prism
SirCakez

Locktown, lean town, null, nullscum, lean scum, scumread.

am i being set up wtf

Honestly not wrong.

I actually think you're probably my strongest non-LLD townread, which would be:
Lady Lambdadelta*
PookyTheMagicalBear

I am definitely being set up here >_>

Ok these posts are very important as they are the first interactions Pooky has with Mastina in the game thread
Take a look at this interaction - wtf is Pooky even insinuating here? it seems like a fake-ass reaction to those Mastina posts

she might be trying to use SMP against us

but it's also NAI cuz town!Mastina would do the same thing lulz

maybe the readslist is actually inverted

a HUGE fencesit on Mastina - exactly what I'd expect scumbear to be posting here. He leaves himself open to bus her later or stay away if she survives.

Pooky, what reads do you really feel conviction on? I see you say Math/Titus/Cakez scum.

highest conviction SRs:

cake/mb/titus

lower level SRs:

bork/sangres hydra

Meh level TR:
Dunnstral

highest level conviction TRs:

kuribo/Bell/Spiffeh

bringing this post down here as well - note lack of mastina

can we stop the triple posting when we have like 3 pages of posts left.

just write out all your thoughts,

hit preview

think if you want to add anything else

and then write more

and then think

and then finish writing everything out.

this is really starting to get ridiculous at this point.

I want cake blood - I don't think Town!Cake plays his claimed role this way, its just beyond the pale how ridiculous this is to me.

I will switch to Mastina to avoid NL. I will be online at the deadline. I won't be happy about it.

those people not on either wagon need to make up their minds or post some real amazing cases on other people.

A KEY POST towards the climax of day 1
At this point Pooky has essentially gone all in on trying to make me the miselim for the day
But he is not 100% sure I go through
so he has to slip Mastina in here to make sure he can still bus her if needed

CONCLUSION

Pooky did not do ANY ORIGINAL SCUMHUNTING day 1.
The entirety of his play consisted of basically three things - sheeping LLD and Spiffeh, making LAMIST/sadbear posts, and pushing Math and I when we pushed him. There is literally nothing else.
His entire push on me day 1 was constructed as an attempt to save Mastina at deadline, while still leaving himself open to bus if needed. He has basically no interactions with Mastina and what he does have looks like scum-scum.

[SirCakez]

Jake that is evidence Pooky is scum i spent an hour writing it up

[SirCakez]

cake scumclaiming b4 game even starts

w i l d

Pooky translation - I am scum

[SirCakez]

pooky does not know how to refute my case on him so he resorts to petty attacks

[SirCakez]

fire stop throwing

[SirCakez]

Jake that is evidence Pooky is scum i spent an hour writing it up

Asking as someone who is discrediting the post based upon it being posted on the 2nd page:

Why did you waste an hour of your life?

i'm joking dude
the case was taken from another game that Pooky and I were in that just ended (Warehouse 13)

[SirCakez]

I don't buy either thing lol

[SirCakez]

The damage is not too bad. As long as the foundations are still strong, we can rebuild this place. It will become a haven for all peoples and aliens of the universe.

overrated movie

[SirCakez]

VOTE: farkran
topic

[SirCakez]

i don't even remember the last game we played together

[SirCakez]

i don't have the energy to fight this this week

[SirCakez]

thanks pooky you always have my back

[SirCakez]

wow

[SirCakez]

Fire just bus me

[SirCakez]

VOTE: sircakez i dislike how he'd been voting town me twice and he hasn't learned his lesson yet

Fark was this legit or not?

[SirCakez]

Thanks for saving me from a horrible fate skitter

[SirCakez]

how?

[SirCakez]

Because you always read me wrong lol

Can you remind me of these situations? You keep bringing them up and they definitely happened but I cannot for the life of me remember them.

[SirCakez]

Because you always read me wrong lol

Can you remind me of these situations? You keep bringing them up and they definitely happened but I cannot for the life of me remember them.

hydra game by alisae and hood game by plotinus?

wow Flying Scumsman now that was ages ago!
hood game I vaguely recall now
vaguely

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Fire!!!!!
~
I'll actually be around with real thoughts tomorrow but this wagon cakez is bad and y'all should feel bad
Also i disliked jake's positioning around it so VOTE: jake

I got townpings from fark and possibly someone else but i forgot who, i will go back and check tomorrow

To be honest, I thought this was a semi-serious vote, but I didn't really mind.

what does this even mean?

[SirCakez]

rant: I hate the amount of shitpost-y players this game. the players are great but I feel like I have no grasp on half this playerlist

[SirCakez]

Small rant there, I want a wall

no wall is happening from me anytime in the next week

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The moderator told me I was aligned with mafia in my role pm, but considering this is fakeclaim mafia and the moderator said they would lie, I doubt it's that simple. I don't have a quicktopic with any partners and haven't been told the name of any partners. Does anyone else have mafia roles like this?

And yes, I'm a Mafia Commercial Airline Pilot truthfully speaking, but I suspect in reality I'm actually town

WTF?

[SirCakez]

The moderator told me I was aligned with mafia in my role pm, but considering this is fakeclaim mafia and the moderator said they would lie, I doubt it's that simple. I don't have a quicktopic with any partners and haven't been told the name of any partners. Does anyone else have mafia roles like this?

And yes, I'm a Mafia Commercial Airline Pilot truthfully speaking, but I suspect in reality I'm actually town

This is either great jester play or dumb scum play
Since this account is also troll account
Could just be troll post

What a conundrum

i haven't played a bastard game in ages
someone who is more experienced with these tell me; do we just yeet it?

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Penguin

[SirCakez]

not voting people start voting plskthx

VOTE: PenguinPwner

This vote was semi-serious, as I find it a little sketchy that most town players would want people to start voting, even if they had little to no reason to do so (hence why people would not be voting)

I concur with this. It was a weird post to make especially so early in the game.
And yes I have played with Penguin before - it still reads off.

PookyTheMagicalBear has been replaced with Absolutely Chilling, a hydra of some magical bear and unwnd.

so that's why unwnd couldn't replace into my other game

[SirCakez]

guys don't beat puppies that's not cool

[SirCakez]

LMAO

[SirCakez]

not....sure why that's hilarious, but thank you.

because its EXACTLY what I expected you to do
it's just funny in how accurate you are to my perception of you

[SirCakez]

doesn't change anything

[SirCakez]

I like cakez tryharding though, doesn't look like scum

Cake vote puppy with me, pp is town

I take offense to this I am trylowing right now due to sheer IRL exhaustion
why vote pupper? they haven't done anything
and I like puppies

doesn't change anything

you're right - you're still either a lying scumbag or just dense

I would categorize myself as dense
tbh though I didn't realize this was something you were passionate about (it did not stick to my mind in the recent game I ran with you) so ok

Cakez is so more mean girl than he used to be. I wonder if this site has corrupted him

i'm just tired dude
and y'all wagoned me immediately made me lose motivation so hard

i'll join the puppy wagon, it seems promising

VOTE: puppy

can you elaborate on promising?

[SirCakez]

Cakez tryharding is definitely not what is happening here

how are you reading him then

I was hoping for a Cakez flipout but it never showed up

What do you think that means for him

y'all should know by now that my flipping out days are over after xenoblade 2 lol

i don't think any flipout would have happened irregardless of alignment

Maybe that's true, but it doesn't answer for why he had an isolated moment of frustration about shitposting then decided to do the same on this very page lol

that wasn't really frustration; moreso inconvenience
also can y'all sign or something thanks

let me reread sircakez's iso cuz i'm gonna be honest i skimmed the first like 12 pages and i have no idea what either of you are talking abt

I had like 5 posts at the time lol

If he’s not trying to assert knowledge of how I act.

you're stubborn, hard to read, poke back when people poke at you
prickly
none of that perception of you has to do with you liking people to vote more day 1

ur already cool

Am i cool firebringer?

[SirCakez]

VOTE: jake
he's pissing me off and I'm not convinced by the Puppy wagon

seriously: i don't think anything penguin has done can't have been faked. But im willing to be proven wrong.
im more interested in cakez cause he is like very divergent from normal cakez behavior and i can't tell u if its good or bad but my historic read accuracy with him makes it likely i wont know which is which.

Right now I do think Cakez is a great push and his silence speaks.

this game started during possibly the busiest week of my entire life
I couldn't even breathe the last few days I had so much fucking work
I'm almost through it now and you'll see normal Cakez activity and posting resume

Fark: you voting Puppy just to make him engage seems kinda weak from what I know about you.

[SirCakez]

What exactly am I doing that is pissing you off? Do you think I'm a better execution than another hypothetical scummy player?

Your engagements with Penguin irk me enough for you to deserve a vote

[SirCakez]

Who is sliding under the radar Fark?

[SirCakez]

You don't believe TNK about their irl stuff?

[SirCakez]

So, I'm going to be honest, I really don't have much motivation to play this game atm. It just kinda feels like we never really hit out of RVS for me atm. Can someone explain the current wagons for me? I would read the thread back, but I'm about to sleep because I'm tired, and can't be bothered atm.

I sympathize with this so idk I'm tempted to give it a pass for now

[SirCakez]

what are the reasons to vote TNK then?

[SirCakez]

VOTE: jake
he's pissing me off and I'm not convinced by the Puppy wagon

seriously: i don't think anything penguin has done can't have been faked. But im willing to be proven wrong.
im more interested in cakez cause he is like very divergent from normal cakez behavior and i can't tell u if its good or bad but my historic read accuracy with him makes it likely i wont know which is which.

Right now I do think Cakez is a great push and his silence speaks.

this game started during possibly the busiest week of my entire life
I couldn't even breathe the last few days I had so much fucking work
I'm almost through it now and you'll see normal Cakez activity and posting resume

Fark: you voting Puppy just to make him engage seems kinda weak from what I know about you.

i dont like this.. dont get why jake made you angry at all, looking at his posts until then there was nothing i dont think that should have made you mad especially since there wasnt really much about you that was provoking

also maybe a little weird to say your flipping out days are over but express anger, feels strange to me despite this not being.. flipping out? i hope this makes sense

VOTE: SirCakez

its cuz he's not even trying and he's using it as a defense against Penguin which doesn't feel right.
I can't parse the last thing you said
my "pissing me off" comment was annoyance not anger. i guess you can correlate the two if you want.

[SirCakez]

I'm a Town Flagbearer

If I ever die, town loses the game... instantly. Keep me alive at all costs.

what the fuck?

can you elaborate on promising?

Liked the people on it. He himself hasnt really done much ai

I see

I kinda want to go back to Korg. His claim of being Mafia but not actually seems to be a shield.
I think I have changed my mind about the shitposter/lurker pool and actually would be OK yeeting there.

[SirCakez]

actually I would definitely yeet OMGUS given the nature of this game that claim is probably fake as fuck

[SirCakez]

Why the fuck would you claim this? There's zero reason for you to claim at all.

'maybe it's a... fakeclaim... in fakeclaim mafia...'

^

exactly

I kinda want to go back to Korg. His claim of being Mafia but not actually seems to be a shield.

i do'nt think this was korg, they're the one who claimed only being able to hammer or something, it hink this was omgus
i don't mind korg too much. not sure i townread him but out of everyone prob not my first choice for a flip

OMGUS claimed the flagbearer thing though

[SirCakez]

The moderator told me I was aligned with mafia in my role pm, but considering this is fakeclaim mafia and the moderator said they would lie, I doubt it's that simple. I don't have a quicktopic with any partners and haven't been told the name of any partners. Does anyone else have mafia roles like this?

And yes, I'm a Mafia Commercial Airline Pilot truthfully speaking, but I suspect in reality I'm actually town

oh I see from ISO OMGUS is just claiming everything
I was taking him seriously glad you pointed that out Skitter

[SirCakez]

i'm not that worried 4 days is still a good amount of time and I think there are enough sketch people that we can make a consensus wagon when needed

[SirCakez]

who do you have in mind

[SirCakez]

Happy birthday Penguin!

I feel a lot of stop-start movement from this game right now

who cares?

who do you have in mind

tnk or puppy or any of the lurkers

pick one! we can't make a wagon if you name five people

i like omgus as wagon.
But no one seems interested.

Maybe I just have the most refined tastes in wagons that others just haven't experienced.

I'll join this when/if it happens

VOTE: tnk

puppy knows people will bark at this thinking it is easy but looking at game.. most active people feel town, and sometimes it is just easy fun time to find scum if they do not want to play. puppy knows they are in this pile too, but they are not like the other lurkers ?

dont want to think about game hard right now

I like this post. I think this is a very town mindset right now.
and this is good

[SirCakez]

VOTE: OMGUS
let's just do this Jake can stew in his crap for another day

[SirCakez]

thanks Penguin you've always got my back

[SirCakez]

i could yeet Braveheart

[SirCakez]

thanks Penguin you've always got my back

unlike pooky

yeah he never has my back
fucker

[SirCakez]

pick one! we can't make a wagon if you name five people

i mean there's like several people i'm not really willing to wagon, leaving my wagoning-pool fairly big but despite that it's kinda hard to make wagons happen ...
also i've been p clear i'm leaning towards tnk
why are you voting omgus and not tnk?

because I'd rather dump OMGUS who is a troll instead of TNK who just claims to be demotivated

[SirCakez]

Yeah - but omgus has done more than tnk which is saying something.

not really?

What's so bad about it? You can still quickhammer when you really need to OMGUS a townie in LyLo

You do have less control over the gamestate and ability to influence wagons though, that's for sure. It's negative utility but I can see it being mafia if balance dictates it

I think it being negative utility makes you more likely to be town but by no means confirms you. It's one small step for Korg, one giant leap for rock.

this is barely anything
more than TNK but like its not hard to be bigger than zero lol

[SirCakez]

I will happily help yeet TNK if deadline approaches

VOTE: TNKorina

Die.

puke emoji I changed my mind after seeing this
can we kill Jake instead????

VOTE: jake

[SirCakez]

OMGUS or Jake pick one

[SirCakez]

Yeah but the other two are scummier

[SirCakez]

I don't have a fakeclaim

[SirCakez]

omgus feels like policy puppykill.. bark

I see how you could make this assumption but I feel their trolling is a coverup for scumminess

[SirCakez]

man there are a lot of masons in this game...

[SirCakez]

I feel this replacement will be very helpful and not at all increase the amount of trolling going on

[SirCakez]

ur a fucker for calling me CakeBoi

[SirCakez]

I don't think he can Penguin

[SirCakez]

I'm shocked Jake actually put some content together.
And hilariously my gut feeling is that it makes him scum because I don't think he'd give a shit as town

[SirCakez]

well see y'all tomorrow

[SirCakez]

ok

[SirCakez]

That's mafia dude .
I can't even count how many times I've absolutely worked my ass off generating content and engaging people trying to get townread and been scumread even more for it. I get elimmed in like 50% of all games I play. Don't expect to dump a bunch of words and get free townreads for it; that's not how this works.

[SirCakez]

Frankly if you had given even 1% of a shit this entire day and tried to play the game you signed up for rather then laughing everything off and mocking people scumreading you maybe you wouldn't have been the elim. I honestly don't have much sympathy for people who don't try until they are about to die and then get mad they got elimmed, despite posting jackshit for the entire game.
You dug your own grave and you have no one to blame but yourself.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: OMGUS
back here

[SirCakez]

I have zero idea on what's happening ZERO. I feel like I may as well have repped in

????? do something

[SirCakez]

I have zero idea on what's happening ZERO. I feel like I may as well have repped in

????? do something

GREAT IDEA BAKEHEART

where should I start? Also how bout you? Don't get the feels you've done a whole lot. Don't get the feels anyone really has outside chillhydraheart

i haven't but I'm not floundering around like you are

VOTE: klick

puppy in sheeps clothing today

want cakez case from ogre

good luck getting that lol

what's the argument for Klick?

[SirCakez]

I feel similarly Unwnd
That giant fucking pool definitely has scum in it but it's hard to sort town from scum in there

[SirCakez]

I dont understand the klick votes

yeah no one explained them

@skitter this is my towncase for braveheart

Spoiler: spoiler

not voting people start voting plskthx

VOTE: PenguinPwner

This vote was semi-serious, as I find it a little sketchy that most town players would want people to start voting, even if they had little to no reason to do so (hence why people would not be voting)

This is still a terrible post

IT MUST GO

Flameheart, are you a villain?

Talk to me about wolfheart

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BLAZEHEART

you have still yet to have thoughts on wolfheart.

Mmm... Fakeheart (Korina) could use a bit of.pressure too

I think all of the above posts are memey, but the intent behind is to let people talk. He asks questions and he offers opinions in a way that doesn't come from scum trying to fake it imo. Maybe i'm wrong, but then in d2 we have these

I have zero idea on what's happening ZERO. I feel like I may as well have repped in

????? do something

GREAT IDEA BAKEHEART

where should I start? Also how bout you? Don't get the feels you've done a whole lot. Don't get the feels anyone really has outside chillhydraheart

^
Seriously fark idk why you're townreading lion, they've literally done nothing all gane

Eh, it's a toneread + i remember his posts to be lackluster in content but mostly made with the purpose of advancing the game. To me, brave is a distant town player. I could be wrong, but i wouldn't vote there - besides, generally speaking i want to vote in-wagon today as i think there are more scum in than out

???

The day ended while I was on V/LA. I would have been on the wagon. Wolfeheart was my biggest choice of yesterday. Why doesn't that factor I'm to your opinion of me at all?

And again they sound like he is inquiring people based on events happened, not coming from a personal agenda i.e. "i want to push this or that guy, let's see what i can use to frame them". I don't know what to say, brave sounds one of the most towny slots to me, i wouldn't have voted him yesterday and i wouldn't vote him today - if we are to find scum i'd rather look elsewhere and i have already voiced my intent to lim on wagon.

I really don't see what you're seeing Fark
None of these look un-fakeable

[SirCakez]

Not a lot :/
I think you and Penguin are very town. Skitter lean town, not as strong.
I don't have any sort of good grasp on the low-content pool but I very much think OMGUS is scum - his opening today sealed it. I could be sold on Klick, Puppy, Korg, Lion or TNK which is a lot but none of them are really doing anything aaaa

[SirCakez]

can you explain the Klick SR more?

[SirCakez]

it's gonna be hard to get much done here with 2/3 of the game not doing anything

[SirCakez]

who should die Korg?

[SirCakez]

help us kill OMGUS

[SirCakez]

oh right <.<

[SirCakez]

And yeah, nobody does and that's great and all but

Like I said I'm confident you're town Fark with Skitts/PP close behind. I would love if we could all come together to reach some sort of decent conclusion but I don't know where Skitter went for one and two PP seems to be biding his time a bit more. Cakez I would even be willing to enlist you into the poorly hashed unwnd circle of trust, so like

Let your expression be heard

What happens in the circle?

[SirCakez]

I don't think there is much more to be said today tbh

[SirCakez]

I doubt all scum are in the low content pool but some definitely are and it will be easier to figure out who the high-content scum are once we have some other scum flipped

[SirCakez]

VOTE: brave heart lion
Til we get something from replacement

[SirCakez]

SirCakez (1): Something_Smart,

ah yes I see that my predecessor was a man of taste

shots fired bud
you aren't gonna see the light of another day

[SirCakez]

I'm a Town Anti-PageTopper

If I ever successfully grab a pagetop, I die

LMAO get out of here bud

[SirCakez]

not sure why tnk is free and not in kennel right now but will trust others

can you elaborate?

[SirCakez]

suspicious

[SirCakez]

did you read the game yet?

[SirCakez]

Jake also scummy?

lmao

Lol stop scumreading me in every game mena

Fire scum i might agree tho

I keep forgetting fire was in this game
he was kinda scummy iirc?
so I could do NM I guess for that reason

Talk to me more abt tnk? Even despite the claim and everything i'm not convinced they're town

it's from 497

this is the kind of post you make without really engaging your brain, and I'm not sure that scum would think about it enough to do fake town outrage but not enough to realize the claim is obviously a joke.

Not sure I agree; I have misunderstood joke claims like that before as town
See; this game when I fell for OMGUS' troll claims

Nothing SS has posted has given me town vibes but a little of Mena's posting has so
VOTE: something smart

back here

[SirCakez]

limming N_M = making game based on skill instead of a roll of the dice when lylo comes

god I wish we had a vig

Maybe I'm the vig

shoot yourself and help us out

[SirCakez]

I have a little bit of time today
Only problem is I have used up all of my original thought on an essay over the last 16 hours
I would much rather go and look for things that someone else asked me to have an opinion on than find stuff independently atm
Or just like have a dialogue with someone

1.

VOTE: Jake The Wolfie

For the record, you guys suck.

When is the last time you actually saw scum decide to go down this route
Jake was my highest scumread, but its rare that I feel REALLY strong on a scumread and Jake didn't fit that criteria at all
There weren't many options that I wouldn't have wagoned that late, but my preferred options would have been Cakez/puppy/BHL

2. I'll answer this one in a sec when i can go back and look but I don't really remember having any problems with it.

3. I think TNK's claim comes from town and that outweighs anything they've done today
I've not had any strong feelings about them today (AKA I can't actually remember what they've said today)

I will happily help yeet TNK if deadline approaches

VOTE: TNKorina

Die.

puke emoji I changed my mind after seeing this
can we kill Jake instead????

VOTE: jake

This is actually scummy af
VOTE: Cakez

very uninspiring

[SirCakez]

i kinda feel like ss is more ~into~ this game upon repping in than he would be as scum if that makes sense

I disagree

this is fine I guess

intent to hammer TNK

[SirCakez]

I don't really have a huge preference over who we yeet inside the pool of low-content

[SirCakez]

Why are we killing TNK?

Town and quiet, probably

what a crappy post

Why are we killing TNK?

Shading people and their only content is defending themselves for not doing anything

thanks skitter!

Idg that post then

It feels like we’re speeding towards launching give that cakez has announced intent to hammer which, even if it’s only E-1, is de facto hammer due to NM

I was assuming everyone was done when I dropped that but obviously given the 7 new pages there is more going on so I am not intenting anymore

I guess maybe I’m here?

PP - townzone
skitt
Fark

TNK - town?

Korg - nullzone
Klick
N_M

Cakez - scumzone
Puppy
Pooky
S_S

We have mindmeld on a lot of reads here (other than me obv)
Are you town???

[SirCakez]

SS is just sooooo obviously scum
God I wish we could go there

[SirCakez]

I'm caught up with the last 6 pages that happened overnight although to be honest i just skimmed and i want to read SS better.

Personally i think tnk is a good info lynch because he was wagoned yesterday + there is a claim pending that may give us more details about the gamestate. That being said, i don't think there is a significant chance that tnk flips scum and we could use a better lim today. If it flips scum though, i think it tells us a lot about other slots that i find scummy (klick mostly, but SS too).

I see that klick has no traction, so my other preferred option is currently SS, pending reread - i do admit that i cannot read SS at all though and it would be hard to me to leave that tunnel, so i have to sheep someone with regard to this.

I could join Klick if that forms

I just think it makes way too much sense for Fark to have been the NK target. Occam's Razor.
But I don't think that makes TNK town.

[SirCakez]

Menal why do you so strongly SR Chillin?

[SirCakez]

Another thing that constantly runs me through my head is that in the OP it's described that midgame there could be alignment changes which makes me less motivated for sure

Oof I forgot about this

SS is just sooooo obviously scum

Where have I heard this before...

SHUSH HEATHEN

what a crappy post

What even is bad about it

Like I see people who are quiet get wagoned game after game and most people don't really adjust their play to try and prevent this kind of thing they just let it happen

because its a generic
why is TNK town and quiet?

[SirCakez]

say what you want about the accuracy of those posts but they are definitely not generic.

Generic was specifically referring to the "town and quiet" post

[SirCakez]

I didn't realize it wasnt out of nowhere at the time
By itself it looks like such a throwaway read

[SirCakez]

We have mindmeld on a lot of reads here (other than me obv)
Are you town???

What are you hoping to achieve by asking this?

i was hoping for some sort of agreement lol

Menal why do you so strongly SR Chillin?

I think I already explained this but basically I think that unwnd/pooky being so disengaged is +scum for the slot and the fact that they feel so incredibly null is scum indicative for them in a way that it’s not for, let’s say N_M

Ok I can see this definitely

Vote Count 2.7

Totally Not Korina (6): skitter30, PenguinPower, Puppy, Farkran, Absolutely Chillin, Not_Mafia

With the exception of puppy I think I really like how this wagon developed? But TNK's claim feels towny to me. hmm
What would scum be doing avoiding getting on this wagon? Could be something like puppy/Cakez/Korg ig, with puppy joining the wagon, Cakez pushing elsewhere and Korg flaking so not really being part of the optics

but I joined the wagon pretty soon after this VC?

[SirCakez]

oh that's fucking weird I swore I voted TNK but I just re-ISOed myself and apparently I never did

[SirCakez]

i kinda feel like ss is more ~into~ this game upon repping in than he would be as scum if that makes sense

I disagree

this is fine I guess

intent to hammer TNK

right this was the most I ever dropped

[SirCakez]

Cakez I can't remember for sure but I think you've been town every time I've played with you
You've also been a lot less afraid to be... I guess the word is 'confrontational'? I think the thing that is bothering me rn is that it feels like you're actively avoiding getting into conflict

Is there credit to that? If so, is there a reason you can identify? Or am I seeing something that isn't there?

Uh I didn't even notice this.
Nobody has picked a fight with me so idk
OMGUS vanished when I was on his ass
No one is really super duper sticking out to me as scum this game

[SirCakez]

I definitely think Chillin could be scum. I have not gotten any of the usual early townpings I get from unwnd.

[SirCakez]

people... want tnk... woof

VOTE: tnk

puppy is surprised this game has pages like this. puppy hates this immortal form.

still understands stance on not want posting much in this game. puppy gets it, but also thinks that coldpuppies are town independently of emotion sensing.

SS is just sooooo obviously scum
God I wish we could go there

puppy felt this was town

best case puppy become survivor to hang out sleep chew on things but for now puppy just get sleep

This is town huh unwnd

It’s like nothing + a sheep vote on the main wagon

Who cares? He already explained why he thinks they are town. What is your goal here?

[SirCakez]

mb you should listen to the people who have eaten scum cakez for lunch then lol

SHUSH

also Klick trying to start up a wagon on me while we are super close to deadline and generally agreed on TNK is terrible

[SirCakez]

we should stay the course. last minute switches are generally a terrible idea. Chillin is a lil scummy but I would rather yeet TNK still.

[SirCakez]

FUCK I forgot again
VOTE: TNK

not_maf can have this

[SirCakez]

mb you should listen to the people who have eaten scum cakez for lunch then lol

SHUSH

also Klick trying to start up a wagon on me while we are super close to deadline and generally agreed on TNK is terrible

I have been interested in wagoning you for ages. I just haven't been here to push it until now unfortunately.

Showing interest =/= actually doing it
You could have done it ages ago even if you weren't actually present because you've been taking shots at me for a while

we should stay the course. last minute switches are generally a terrible idea. Chillin is a lil scummy but I would rather yeet TNK still.

Like what is this when there's a post right above it that's talking about TNK being potentially confirmable

where? I checked and only see my posts and other random stuff

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I am mason with Farkran

let's see

[SirCakez]

If TNK is confirmable somehow then I'd be happy to move to Chillin

[SirCakez]

Basically TNK just needs to make Chillin hated today and he's confirmed to have that role
You'd have to assume scum doesn't have that role but I highly doubt scum has that role

I mean scum could have this role and its gated in a way that TNK is hiding
i;e he can't use it after day 3 or whatever
I have run similar things before

[SirCakez]

having a role does not = that role is town

[SirCakez]

VOTE: chillin
for deadline

[SirCakez]

this isn't a bad elim so I'm fine

[SirCakez]

i'm willing to take the risk w/TNK

[SirCakez]

with cult games I always wonder why everyone just doesn't join the Cult at will lol

[SirCakez]

chillin claim

[SirCakez]

well that's hammer

[SirCakez]

you're late

[SirCakez]

prolly skitter, SS, and the two members of Chillin

[SirCakez]

kerset why are you just saying this now <.<

[SirCakez]

I'm gonna dig around the pivot point for the wagon shift to Chilling tomorrow because that was definitely not scum driven

[SirCakez]

Vote Count 2.FINAL

Absolutely Chillin (7): Menalque, Klick, Farkran, Totally Not Korina, Something_Smart, SirCakez, Kerset,
Totally Not Korina (4): skitter30, PenguinPower, Puppy, Absolutely Chillin,
SirCakez (0):
Something_Smart (0):
Not_Mafia (0):
Menalque (0):
Farkran (0):
Kerset (0):
Klick (0):
skitter30 (0):
PenguinPower (0):
Puppy (0):

Not Voting (1): Not_Mafia

The Deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2021-04-28 18:30:00).

Yeah this VC definitely points to skitt scum

[SirCakez]

Hello.

Given the circumstances that led to flip scum, i am now strongly confident that TNK and klick are town due to being respectively:
(1) Counterwagon to scum
(2) A major reason why the wagon shifted.

Furthermore: i think based on the vote patterns and the n2k, i am also super convinced that there is 1 scum in {skitter, puppy} and i think it's skitter. Sorry skit.

VOTE: skitter

I like this post and logic a lot.

VOTE: Cakez
Cakez played prev day like he would know the outcome beforehand. He hoped to get korina but remained at the safe distance to hop on the other wagon and still tried to discourage people.

I wouldn't have gone to Chillin if I was scum

[SirCakez]

VOTE: skitter
v interested in what this does

[SirCakez]

Penguin is a ? for me
His ISO does not really talk about Chillin at all

[SirCakez]

yeah if there was scum on the Chillin wagon I have no idea who. Klick leading that wagon is a huge townsign so I'm dropping my scumread there.

[SirCakez]

Shush padawan you have much to learn

[SirCakez]

*crickets*

[SirCakez]

-snip-
also i don't think i kill mena there

VOTE: puppy

i townread: klick, penguin, fark, ss, penguin
townlean: sircakes, kerset
everyone else: puppy, nm

ideally i'd like to flip in one of those two today; given the gamestate that doesn't seem *super* likely to happen today but i would like to memorialize my reads for y'all

why puppy?

fuck, woof. puppy keeps forgetting about game.

will read up but probably just vote skitter, have no real opinions which is not great but is whatever as other dogs say, wagon is wagon, alternative is puppy which might be for the best at this point if skitter also town so she can do things puppy doesnt have energy for

not a fan of this post but I still want skitter's explanation

[SirCakez]

I agree Penguin is hard town here, I think he's made posts that are transparently town-motivated

[SirCakez]

VOTE: skitter
v interested in what this does

It kills the game, apparently.

ok so what's your suggestion? this post is just pointless shade

Hi A50!

[SirCakez]

Frankly I'm fine with the skitter wagon because she seems to be way too uncaring about it? if that makes sense.

Wasn't meant to be shade, mb

ok

Yeah uh this wagon seems absolutely insane to me

Not that wagoning skitter is necessarily bad but the fact that basically everyone seems to agree and nobody seems at all interested in any alternative wagons

And someone on the wagon should probably unvote before NM hammers

suggest an alternative then! The only one I've seen is puppy, who I'm not super interested in.

Hi A50!

Hello SC Been a while, eh?

[SirCakez]

when I've seen Skitter pushed as town before she was way more invested than this. It seems like she's basically fine being yeeted here which is ???

[SirCakez]

I think the game is stalling because we've locked onto skitter-scum and the scumteam haven't been able to prepare themselves for a counterpush.
This implies a fairly inexperienced partner, so like not Fark/SS/probably TNK
Based on play today SS doesn't actually look that likely to be scum with skitter

I concur with this assessment

when I've seen Skitter pushed as town before she was way more invested than this. It seems like she's basically fine being yeeted here which is ???

You think she is at peace with the idea of getting yeeted as Scum?? Mate, she won us the title in TM 2020 being the only Scum on our team and winning her game. skitter is a strong Town player but even stronger as a scum player and she wouldn't give up so easily.

I don't know how else to explain what is going on here. Go back and ISO her in Tenet to see what I mean, she fought way harder than this.

If Skitter is town then we definitely get rid of Puppy next, I agree on this front.

[SirCakez]

I don't think "well puppy is contributing less" is a good reason to yeet doggo first

[SirCakez]

I feel like we have a very good route forward, we should hammer and move on

[SirCakez]

A rare occasion where I'm glad NM was around to hammer

[SirCakez]

so Klick was the Traitor and that's why the game ended?

[SirCakez]

Fark you were so good this game

[SirCakez]

Klick you did quite well I think if you were not Traitor this game would have kept going for a while

[SirCakez]

not authorized to read Pts!

[SirCakez]

I'm always suspected