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[Datisi]

what if infinity/llama are both scum and that's why the wagons and literally everything else is so fucked up

[Datisi]

why are you voting umlaut again?

[Datisi]

PoE, llama being scum would make some sense and that basically guarantees umlaut is a partner

why does llama being scum "make some sense" again? what about this?

The reasoning at the time is that I don't think scum!llama tries to get a new wagon going rather than just voting me and saying it's because he has to

Now it's because my wagon was towny, and scum would be voting the cw

[Datisi]

i'mma be real i'm not even sure what that post is saying
who is "the townbloc" here?

[Datisi]

if infinity!scum, partners are {outworld, anya, llama}, with {luca/samantha/mmmaybe umlaut} being "in case of emergency, break glass" partners

umlaut i'm not sure how you can read this post and think "this is datisi coming up with an infinity/umlaut team" when i list like 5 people as her partner before you lmfao

[Datisi]

My limpool for today is {Samantha, S_S, Umlaut} in order of preference. Sam and S_S for reasons already stated and Umlaut because my TR's are on that wagon and I'm mostly null on that slot.

i'm rereading and again. *how* is this something that comes from a town mindset. like the main driver of the umlaut wagon is his strongest scumread. how is this anything other than an ass-pull??

can literally *anyone* please acknowledge this post and tell me their opinion on it

[Datisi]

okay, next order of business: opinion on the infinity wagon and what i've been arguing the whole morning?

[Datisi]

okay, next order of business: opinion on the infinity wagon and what i've been arguing the whole morning?

I don't like it. Why does scum Infinity switch off of Llama yesterday?

serious answer is because she sees it's not going anywhere and people had already expressed approval of a potential rathe wagon.

my personal favourite is that because infinity/llama are partners - the fact the first 4 people on the rathe wagon (excluding infinity herself) were voting for neither of them makes me think this might not be completely insane.

you figured out your reads yet, s_s?

[Datisi]

why does it look like this game as a whole is trying to protect infinity as much as it can

- miracle wagon on rathe last second
- andre is dead
- most of the currently scummier slots are completely ignoring me and my ramblings about infinity / softly dragging away from her

like come on i can't be the only one who sees this lmao

like if infinity were town, and andres was killed because loud town and not because of reads, don't you think there would be at least some scumfuck who would follow me on it? instead it's mostly townie people that did? like??

[Datisi]

why have you not responded to my earlier post about possible motivation of scum!infinity eod1 and request for your own reads, but you're here within two minutes to jump in and defend infinity?

[Datisi]

this game is impossible
too many scummy fuckers
and those that aren't necessarily scummy insist on not providing content
if we have even one deepwolf we are so fucked lol

[Datisi]

the longer anya keeps posting garbage, the more i'm willing to compromise there bc (1) i've a feeling there's one in her/llama anyway (2) her vote on rathe rather than outworld is questionable at best (3) fuck this game

but this ungodly resistance to infinity is not normal

[Datisi]

I'm starting to wish I actually was scum this game

please don't say things like this ahaha

[Datisi]

my earlier post about possible motivation of scum!infinity eod1

Can you link this, I'm having trouble finding it

2824

[Datisi]

is there any other reason why infinity is towny to you than the didn't push llama

pedit: @s_s

i will say s_s reminds me of last year's jk9++ in how... wooden he's being right now, but my read record on s_s is not that great

[Datisi]

like i'm currently at
> flip infinity
> if scum, 1 in {anya/llama}, 1 in {s_s/outworld}
> if town, cry, try to convince myself luca is scum, fail, ???, probably lose game

lol

[Datisi]

funny how datisi mentions deepwolfing and i just instantly think of him and luca

haha

ico: paranoiaing luca/datisi scumteam
datisi: paranoiaing luca/ico scumteam

luca please tell me you're paranoiaing me/ico scumteam so that the triangle is complete

[Datisi]

Can we start consolidating a little spooner then yesterday please? Let's push infinity to E-1 with intent and get a claim ok

i would love to see this happen but she's currently at 4 votes and unless someone budges, it's not happening

s_s, what about the "townspewing" was townie? i remember reading it and being wholy unimpressed

[Datisi]

I do believe the Infinity wagon D1 was likely all-town, so either she is scum or scum did a good job of creating the illusion of resistance

Independently I SR Outworld/Anya more, but Infinity is a worthy flip to find out what was going on EoD1

sigh
mindmeld
but that's not a good metric anymore

[Datisi]

it's fine, you can have that one if i can townslip over the no multitasking thing

Scum can multitask.

scumconeum confirmed

[Datisi]

Vanilla Town.

Infinity's probably town here, same with Andres. Ico also probably town.
Samantha is my only real egregious SR. Everyone else hasn't done anything I find particularly egregious, so scum is probably in deep. Keep an eye on Datisi, modding 2195 taught me he can deepwolf fairly well.

[Datisi]

how the fuck can we not even get a claim from infinity

this is what i am talking about

it's as if the game is magically protecting her

[Datisi]

Datisi, on a scale of 1-10 how do you rate Icon's townslip?

the vt thing? like... 5 out of 10. not reading well is not ai, and you'd think scum would mention the vt claim in scumchat, but not out of this world for him to miss it.

[Datisi]

If the townbloc decides there shall be a claim, there

shall

be a claim

i don't like this

luca when did you become funny

[Datisi]

Spoiler: gif

[Datisi]

llama can you crawl out of your anya tunnel for a moment and reply to the infinity push/case?

you were townreading her, mind giving your thoughts about other slots then just anya?

this also bothers me

bc he said me/luca are his strong towns

like surely if your strong towns are badtunnelled into a read you consider wrong, you try to... address them?

[Datisi]

Datisi you wouldn't break my heart here would you?

i hate you

i hope you know that right?

[Datisi]

i don't forget when someone snows me, luca

i will roll scum against you one day

you can see how that worked out for the town of 2195

pedit: fuck you i'm going home

[Datisi]

Scum I think either ignores me there, or trys to prod at what im actually doing because how often does town come up to scum and essentially say "I will save you if you start a new wagon".

i dunno about this... like, you were very loud in townreading infinity. if she's scum, why wouldn't she think you're honest

got class now, be back in ~an hour

[Datisi]

SS, vote infinity please

I guess, but I don't have to like it.

VOTE: Infinity

why you voting infinity if you think she's town / you don't like it?

[Datisi]

also that's E-1 on infinity p sure

pedit: thanks dragon
though maybe don't lie about intent :p

[Datisi]

I do believe the Infinity wagon D1 was likely all-town, so either she is scum or scum did a good job of creating the illusion of resistance

Independently I SR Outworld/Anya more, but Infinity is a worthy flip

to find out what was going on EoD1

what does infinity flipping town tell you here?

[Datisi]

I'm not sure right now. I guess there would be more chance of something like {Umlaut, Llama, Outworld} being possible.

I'll be suspicious of SS regardless of flip, maybe even more so if it flips red. I want to believe Llama is town tbh as I'm really struggling for townreads here

disagree. don't think s_s ever does a bus like this - why would he? it's obvious there's not enough support against infinity without him. he could just as easily throw his weight against someone from umlaut/llama/anya, especially as he's been calling infinity townie.

Same question to you, Datisi?

Oh wait I remember, you'll SR me if this flips town right

i don't know.

i think infinity flipping town would be a solid(?) towncase on llama - because if llama were scum, putting infinity on Y-1 would make more sense than going onto rathe. unless the team is like, something like luca/umlaut/llama? in which case i don't even know.

also it makes me look at s_s, because he feels like he could be playing the "scum taking advantage of the loud village idiot" as described above.

anya/outworld would have to be looked at, i mean outworld would have to be looked at anyway.

and yeah, umlaut/luca as the people on the infinity wagon yesterday, and bonus as the ones to jump onto rathe, and the ones to be on this infinity wagon as well.

agh i don't know. i wish i could say i have more confidence in this than i do. it's just... something feels very wrong about andres dying...

does my town!infinity > town!llama theory make sense?

[Datisi]

but yeah infinity!town flip would be a shit position to be in. but is there any green flip at this point that doesn't leave in the same problem?

[Datisi]

hm i keep forgetting about samatha... i hate this game.

[Datisi]

is it bad that at this point i'm unironically worrying that iconeum is a deepwolf

i think that's pretty bad

[Datisi]

i'm town and you know why

like, exactly why lol

ok but what if it was scumconeum big braining the fuck out of this game

[Datisi]

i'm being unreasonable. just because ico said "associates preflip aren't useful" doesn't mean he's scum who doesn't know how to make them and wants to push through infinity without doing that work

[Datisi]

i'm town and you know why

like, exactly why lol

ok but what if it was scumconeum big braining the fuck out of this game

reread what you just said

carefully

riiiiiight

[Datisi]

i don't get where this paranoia is coming from at this point

agh, i don't get it either. i just really don't like this game. something feels wrong and i'm being reminded why playing town sucks

[Datisi]

I'm not sure right now. I guess there would be more chance of something like {Umlaut, Llama, Outworld} being possible.

I'll be suspicious of SS regardless of flip, maybe even more so if it flips red. I want to believe Llama is town tbh as I'm really struggling for townreads here

disagree. don't think s_s ever does a bus like this - why would he? it's obvious there's not enough support against infinity without him. he could just as easily throw his weight against someone from umlaut/llama/anya, especially as he's been calling infinity townie.

You don’t think SS ever busses like this?

Well I can prove you wrong pretty easily as he did so in the game I just played with him - he needlessly bussed his partner on D2 last game despite townies defending said partner. In this instance his hand has been forced a bit anyway

i'll maybe take a look at that at some point. my only exp with scum!s_s is him not bussing even when his partner was *heavily* under fire so this just seems like a weird time for bussing for scum!s_s. but again, was almost a year ago.

[Datisi]

well, if iconeum is scum, at least now he's *definitely* gonna kill me soon, so. one problem solved i guess

[Datisi]

fairly solidly townreading luca at this point

god i wish i could claim this with any sorta confidence

maybe this wouldn't be such a headache if i weren't constantly looking at the townblocc

[Datisi]

because it's the best we have rn

[Datisi]

imagine thinking you actually needed to link the game for me xD

also fuck you i wanted the #3000

[Datisi]

Fark maybe town? I thought he said something I liked.

Don't have much of an opinion on Llama or Infinity yet. I thought Infinity said something I liked around when I replaced in?

lol

(to make it clear i really don't think this is a slam-dunk because people use same phrasings as both town and scum all the time - like i could probably dig out some quotes on myself from brutalism and make it look bad)

i don't think s_s in that game ever even clarified what it is that he liked? and just by ctrl+f'ing "fark" in his iso i can't get much of an idea on why the hell was he voting fark when he was

but this feels like homework for if infinity flips red

pedit: s t o p with the fucking s a d s m i l e y s

[Datisi]

can we just go back to day one where luca was scumreading me and i was able to just say "well if ur town u could red me" and not think more about it

i liked that part

[Datisi]

the difference is that infinity was at y-2 without llama's vote, while llama was at y-3 with infinity's vote. i dunno if that's as meaningful difference as i make it out in my mind.

also i feel like the thread was vaguely preferring infinity to llama at that time? though i might be mistaken, it was a lot of pages fast.

i'm wondering if i should just give in and lolvote anya. it's gonna be a painful road ahead if infinity is green and i don't like responsibility.

yay mafia.

[Datisi]

i'm not unvoting i'm just expressing my anxiety

[Datisi]

i'm not unvoting i'm just expressing my anxiety

why aren't you thrilled it's finally happening

have you considered

what if it's wrong ;_;

[Datisi]

um

did that just fucking happen

[Datisi]

UNVOTE:

p sure that was hammer but in case of a miracle

[Datisi]

my optimism took a hit

mine is utterly gone

it will be shitposting from me from here on out only

[Datisi]

anya scumflip is not bad shit though

protecting outworld by panicwagoning rathe? maybe umlaut bc he was on both infinity/rathe?

p sure it cofntowns llama too

spicey

[Datisi]

i never thought town!me would unironically say this but

thank god luca blight got nightkilled

[Datisi]

VOTE: anya

also i am sorry for literally every post i have made in this game

[Datisi]

ahahahahha

oh man

[Datisi]

stay the course

running around like headless chicken nuggets won't help

VOTE: Infinity

fiiiiiine

ok

you can run around like headless chickens now lol

can i just say this sequence was beautiful

[Datisi]

i am slightly concerned about the fact luca got nightkilled when i keot drilling in that i'd look at his direction if infinity!town but i am also never doing nka again

[Datisi]

:( in chat

[Datisi]

btw i think it might be best to keep Serious Discussion on d3 to a minimum bc like we're always yeeting anya here

so everyone checks in, if there's something important say it, if not vote anya and we go to d4

and if anya flips town we frankly deserve to lose anyway

[Datisi]

i'm trying to pretend like i'm not a complete detriment to this town ok

[Datisi]

massclaim with an outed scum is the dumbest thing we can do

i was thinking of quickyeeting anya bc we're doing that anyway, and any discussion above it is just info for the nightkill tonight

[Datisi]

so unless someone has like... a guilty on a scum not named anya, i think there's not much to talk about today. let everyone check in, acknowledge the situation, call me a fucking idiot, etc. then we go back to bed

[Datisi]

yes i still believe you are town

why you gotta say it like that...

[Datisi]

UNVOTE:

she probably selfhammers here and while i'd assume Y-3 is fine, i'm still not taking chances anymore lol

[Datisi]

idk, anxiety. i'd rather everyone Acknowledge the situation.

[Datisi]

why is this game still fucking forcing me to think

[Datisi]

traffic analyst makes sense with the neighbourizer
with the mailman

my god i want to actually die i don't wanna think about this

[Datisi]

town odd-night combined neighbourizer rolestopper
town doctor
town mailman enabler
town macho traffic analyst
town mailman (loyal?)

i could legit see this as a Gypyx Setup but that hammer was such garbage i don't want to fall for scum lolclaiming a guiltyyyyyyy

[Datisi]

how does traffic analyst make sense with a potential mailman exactly?

mailman returns positive to traffic analyst

[Datisi]

counterpoint:

the last gypyx game i played in that had a town doc, town mailman, *and* town hoods

also had a scum traffic analyst

i wanna go home

[Datisi]

here's a snippet of my notes i made early day 2 when i was making "vca"

"llama not scum with: luca(?), koto, anya, infinity
if llama scum, the team is umlaut/outworld(/luca in case of emergency)"

idea: we yeet anya

if scum, great
if town, we just go llama > umlaut > outworld and pray ahahahahahah

[Datisi]

actually s_s is like a wildcard here, fuck

aaaaaaaaaa

[Datisi]

let's see what llama has to say here

right

maybe he's the mailman and anya is scum and everything is fine in this town

[Datisi]

i want to believe it's real purely because it would be the saving grace that could save this town from absolute obliteration

[Datisi]

though keep in mind, scum have multitasking by default, and not to be outguessing the mod but possible bunch of scum power roles here

and scum traffic analysts have precedent in gypyx games

hmmm my head hurts

[Datisi]

The setup was designed by me, edited by Gypyx, and reviewed by Isis and callforjudgement.

says "edited" by gypyx though. does this still count as a gypyx game? eh

[Datisi]

spicey idea

maybe it has merit

btw how's your "1 in luca/datisi" theory going? asking for a friend

[Datisi]

do you want to *actually* talk about it? because a miss today is a ticket to lylo and fuck if i wanna lose this game because you're stubborn

[Datisi]

s_s... just naked voting... what universe are we living in...

[Datisi]

I don't see why we're saying if Llama is town mailman we would then yeet Anya?

literally who is saying this?

[Datisi]

the meaning of that is "i fucking hate mafia i want that quickhammer to be scum so i don't have to actually think about this game"

[Datisi]

i never thought town!me would unironically say this but

thank god luca blight got nightkilled

i take this back i already miss him

[Datisi]

s_s, as the mech guy, what is your advice here

[Datisi]

i could've just waited and claimed traffic analyst yesterday as wolf and you all would've let me live

mm

this is true

the problem is that if you waited then Infinity claims doctor and we also let her live

scum!anya couldn't have... known that?

[Datisi]

give me a second, i'm trying to stretch this sequence of posts as a scumslip from s_s

[Datisi]

s_s is scum with anya and there is a rolecop on their team and they copped infinity night 1 and knew if she claimed people would unvote and move onto anya so anya quickhammered, and now s_s is assuming anya knew infinity would claim a power role and not get yeeted because of the fact that well, she did know that, even though there's little ground to assume that right now, speaking from the thread's pov / current discussion, and is trying to cover it up by crying "scum rolecop is a thing that exists"

[Datisi]

how did i do

[Datisi]

luca blight also thought s_s scumslipped

luca blight is now dead

wake up sheeple

[Datisi]

you tricked me into actual serious discussion about this game, how fucking dare you

do you wanna talk about your anya vote?

[Datisi]

i mean yes i get it but like

is there anything more going on in your head other than that

because like dude the most ai thing about you to me right now is the fact that 3142, coupled with azelf's stare, makes me absolutely lose my shit, and in my mind funny!s_s = town!s_s

and at some point i will probably have to sort you

give me something to sort you with

[Datisi]

there was just a slight slight pinch of seriousness to it, though i wouldn't attach much weight to it anyway because i know it would be inaccurate of me to say that i know town!s_s's brain wouldn't work like that

but yeah i might have just done that.

i'm thinking and realizing my town!umlaut read is based on "well idk i've seen scum!umlaut twice and he efforted and he's not efforting here so?? town????" and somewhere along the lines i realized just how bad at this game i really am

pedit: @s_s

[Datisi]

Llama, why can't you just say whether you're a traffic analyst positive or not? (Keeping in mind that a disabled mailman is not a traffic analyst positive)

i think at least this should be happening, and if he claims to be a positive i might even start advocating for massclaim. though the main reason is, i want this claim today so if we end up flipping anya and she's town, i at least want a guaranteed scum execution tomorrow, and i don't want scum!llama to be trying to get away with it by claiming a positive *then*

[Datisi]

Instead, you were even helping town realize, that my brutal execution was an option.

i couldn't find this, quote?

[Datisi]

Vote Anya

@mod the vc is wrong

[Datisi]

i want to interact with someone but the recent events around llama/anya are making it difficult to talk about other things

does anyone wanna discuss anything other than that

[Datisi]

Oh. Well... Fine, VOTE: llama

why

[Datisi]

why

[Datisi]

you really don't lol

[Datisi]

VOTE: outworlder

we're most likely not doing this today but it's nice to dream

[Datisi]

on one hand i think llama should be claiming because i feel like it's gonna be the easiest way to solve this nonsense
on the other hand, anya literally fucking speedhammered a doc and a traffic analyst sounds like a scum pr-hunting tool in this setup
on the third hand, outworld has partner equity to both of them and i'm tired of him doing jack shit this game xD

[Datisi]

samantha why are you voting llama

[Datisi]

s_s i'm not used to you typing so many vote tags

should we be getting a claim from llama? should we be straight up massclaiming since it's lylo-1?

[Datisi]

samantha why are you voting llama

cause you aren't tbh

samantha for the love of god can we *please* have a proper conversation about why the fuck you suspect me

because it's wrong and if we enter lylo it's gonna lose us the game and i am dreading that

[Datisi]

like, assuming you're town*

i had reasons to think you're town on day one and in the meantime i realized those reasons might not be correct but your slot is still slotted as town in my mind

[Datisi]

i wish luca had killed me on day 1

[Datisi]

s_s do you have any updates to your ~general reads~ or something

[Datisi]

why did luca have the power to kill you but not me

his arguments actually made sense and he'd elaborate on them when asked

[Datisi]

on the heels of me elaborating when asked

I see how it is

also doesn't killing anya clear koto and condemn llama? seems most efficient to me

i've been begging you to interact with me since literal fucking day one and all you've said is "the word vibe" and "something i've forgotten about" and "there's 1 in luca/datd because poe" and i'm sick and fucking tired of it, do you really not expect me to be frustrated here?

[Datisi]

[.spoiler=Living]TheGoldenParadox

Vanilla Townie

, wins the game for town as the lone survivor ![/spoiler]

[.spoiler=Dead]Shellyc,

Vanilla Townie

executed day 1
Bunno,

Vanilla Townie

killed night 1
Tayl0r Swift,

Vanilla Townie

executed day 2
Battle Mage

Town Combined Mailman Vanilla Cop

, killed night 2
Professor Mafia

Mafia Odd-Night Complex Traffic Analyst

, executed day 3
Menalque

Role Watcher Neighbor

, killed night 3
iamausername

Vanilla Townie

, executed day 4
Iconeum

Town Ascetic Indecisive Doctor Neighbour

, killed night 4
Alonzo

Town 1-shot Bulletproof Vengeful

, executed day 5
Bob3141

Mafia Informed

, vengekilled day 5
Datisi

Mafia Goon

, killed night 5
Noraa

Town Novice 3-shot Vigilante

, killed night 5[/spoiler]

i don't like bringing up my own ptsd fuel but i can't stop thinking about this game

> town hoods
> town doc
> town mailman

??? scum traffic analyst ???

[Datisi]

mafia are often frustrated when their ruses don't work

scum!me doesn't give a single flying fuck if some rando scumreads me

like you're not a threat to scum!me, i can kill you i can get you yeeted in lylo w h o c a r e s

if you're town it's a much bigger problem especially in a game like this where i'm already so far out of any scumgame i've ever played and i really don't wanna get voted because you refuse to reevaulate for 5 seconds????

[Datisi]

and also umlaut is scüm

i am listening

[Datisi]

i have a feeling the team is either some combination of {outworld, umlaut, llama, anya} or we just lose

[Datisi]

I mean the case is just 3158 and 3229

i understand your feeling on the first one but i'm gonna need an elaboration on the second one

[Datisi]

koto i thought you were town how is it llama over anya here

[Datisi]

i was gonna say something rude but it would be ogi so i won't

[Datisi]

threatening wrt outside-game-influence is against the rules

[Datisi]

@s_s i think that makes sense.

@koto why are you at s_s over outworld again?

[Datisi]

can you elaborate on the "wagons"?

[Datisi]

hm.

so we have 3 town pr's flipped, plus a mailman. then the claimed ta in anya and a claimed ta-positive in llama.

i... don't think these can all be town, right?

i'm in a call right now so can't give this my full attention but i'll @s_s to weigh in The Situation

[Datisi]

zzz i have an urge to lolhammer

i'm not sure if that'd be the correct course of action here but it's there lol

pedit: if that flips scum, there's scum bussing 100%

[Datisi]

zzz i have an urge to lolhammer

Don't give in to the dark side D:

how is that giving in to the dark side if she flipped red

[Datisi]

i guess
do we force the claim out or do we just slam the hammer down on anya? like i think that's the only q we have right now

[Datisi]

bc like unless you think there's a chance llama/anya are s/s, i don't see a problem with llama not claiming if anya flipped red

i mean obviously we can't know in advance but you know from a theory standpoint

[Datisi]

idk i'm like
i really wanna believe that she does flip red bc that quickhammer was disgusting and even just with a town hood maker and mailman, a scum ta makes sense and i don't wanna actually think about this dumb game anymore

but i'm also *this* close to just calling for massclaim bc massclaim in lylo can be dangerous so maybe it's better to get it out of the way now

but i'm also *this* close to hammering her and going to bed

anyway idk

[Datisi]

am i right to think that anya's reaction here feels kinda like scum giving up? like i'd expect more fire or *something* if the person you claimed to have a positive on just claimed to be a town false positive

maybe i'm just looking for an excuse to hammer

i'm still debating whether forcing the claim out is the right thing to do

[Datisi]

also dats you said something about the designer using wolf traffic analysts before but doesn't that become predictable if they do it over and over again? surely they'd mix it up and not just let players guess if the role is wolf or town because they always make it wolf

kinda but not really, i was just saying this game reminded me of that game, i know it's not technically the same designer

@ico hi are you caught up? i got up an hour early to be able to play today

[Datisi]

1) there is a high ++chance of there being (loyal?) mailman, which is stronger than TA? No?

if there is an actual loyal mailman, the chances of there *also* being a town ta go down like... a lot.

also there's whatever the fuck llama is hinting at, apparently.

man, i almost want a massclaim.

[Datisi]

im feeling either massclaim

or yeet anya

+1

here's what i'm thinking rn: llama said there's great value in having him be alive tomorrow. if he's town, and anya is scum, massclaim is technically not optimal because we're drawing info out for not reason.

*however*. llama, if town, is

already

a prime nightkill target. and considering we lost two (2) protectives already, i would be ~somewhat willing to bet there isn't another one. so massclaim, in that sense, would help us figure out the llama/anya dichotomy while having not that many drawbacks - if lamma's town he's probably eating shit tonight anyway, and if he's scum it's a moot argument, no, it's actually better to get him to lock himself in a claim pre-lylo.

[Datisi]

ico, what ya think? massclaim or just yeet the fuck out of anya?

[Datisi]

if we yeet anya and she is town… wifom comes into play i think?

how likely do you think this is?

[Datisi]

and what wifom are you talking about?

[Datisi]

you think we can go into something of an auto-mode if we massclaim?

can it narrow the field enough ?

highly doubt it. there can't be enough town power left to go auto, especially since we have no clue what scum has.

i'm just wondering if massclaim will help with llama/anya and the mailman

[Datisi]

bc there are a few things i really want to discuss but that can only be done post-mass

[Datisi]

it's worth it if anya flips town in a sense that it's easier for scum to bullshit a claim in lylo than in lylo-1

[Datisi]

if we were sure about anya being scum, is massclaim optimal today or not?

if we were sure, i'd say no. just yeet scum!anya and go to the next day.

[Datisi]

Koto Apr 01, 06:02pm Apr 11, 07:54am 1 day 1 hour 97
samantha97 Mar 23, 11:40am Apr 11, 12:20am 1 day 9 hours 238
OutWorldER Mar 23, 03:30pm Apr 10, 11:53pm 1 day 9 hours 66
Umlaut Mar 23, 03:17pm Apr 10, 07:03pm 1 day 14 hours

should i be getting creeped out by how quiet this game's being?

i think if we ever get into a lylo situation we Just Lose becase telling these slots apart is gonna be difficult

[Datisi]

yeet-correctly-or-lose.

[Datisi]

I don't think full massclaim is a good idea.

However, forcing Umlaufsatz and S_S wouldn't be a bad idea.

why do you think so?

[Datisi]

this is the kinda bullshit that massclaim would *really* help with.

like, at this point i'm running out of arguments against it ahah can more people weigh in on this?

[Datisi]

it's either that or just yeet anya, no middle ground imo

+1

the problem is getting this pl to agree to anything is difficult

[Datisi]

because at this point everyone else might claim as well?

actually i guess it would depend on what llama claims??? idk i wish i was dead

[Datisi]

trainwreck V anyone?

[Datisi]

this smells like massclaim
spicey spicey

[Datisi]

spitballing

umalut claims fruit/no fruit > koto makes any comment on that if he wants to > llama > umlaut > outworld > s_s ?>? samantha > me/ico/koto in some order

???

[Datisi]

alternatively umlaut claims fruit/no fruit, koto comments, and then we decide what to do next

but does sound like massclaim

[Datisi]

pending what happens in the fruit thing, we can cut it short after koto reply i guess

yeah this is probably the biggest question mark right now

but i will never believe that all of mailman, ta, ta-positive in llama, and whatever the fuck is going on with koto are all town lol

[Datisi]

i hated all of you back on day 1, get on my level

[Datisi]

oh come on i got excited something was happening

[Datisi]

how sure are we again that the mailman is town-aligned?

[Datisi]

funsies

[Datisi]

ok now that the fruit is a lie, what are we doing with our lives again

[Datisi]

actually i'll ask something else

s_s, what do you want to do with your life

[Datisi]

llamafluff (1) Anya
Anya (4) Llamafluff, Umlaut, OutworldER, samantha97
OutworldER (2) Datisi, Something_smart

Not Voting (2) : Iconeum, Koto

this has been a stalemate for like... quite some time now?

anya is still very much my first choice for yeeting but my god llama's role is bugging me

[Datisi]

s_s do you think your tone changes between alignments?

[Datisi]

i don't wanna vote llama because i feel like that would be a lie since btwn him/anya, i definitely want to yeet anya, but i am also fully in support of llama claiming today, partly on the reasons i brought up earlier

[Datisi]

koto, you're a potential tiebreaker

what do you wanna do with llama/anya? or like more specifically, do you wanna get a claim from llama first

[Datisi]

right, llama should probably do that i guess.

[Datisi]

*checks notes* 4 people for yeeting anya, 4 for making llama claim first, and... ico as the tiebreaker? beautiful.

i'm creeped out by how bad anya's wagon is, even tho i realistically know scum would be bussing the ever living hell out of her here.

ok off to bed pls have something spicey in the next 6 hours thanks

[Datisi]

hello i got woken up an hour early because rain

why has nothing spicy happened

also there's no way anya's wagon isn't scum-driven regardless of her own alignment

i am Almost down to actually seriously start calling for outworld's head instead of these two

ok i'll wait for the dragon now

[Datisi]

why do you refuse to talk to me instead of constantly throwing nonsense shade at me?

[Datisi]

ico, it's your call.

i'm not opposed to hammering anya here. the reason why i want the claim from llama is (1) with 2 protectives dead, it's prooobably not harming us if that claim is out, and (2) in the case that anya flips town, it would be *very* useful to have that claim today rather than tomorrow. i currently can't imagine a scenario where anya flips town, but i've seen more insane shit happen in mafia.

pedit: what

[Datisi]

where is he posting

in your scum pt? lol

[Datisi]

lmfao i'm just asking bc when i click on his profile it says he hasn't posted shit on the site for like two and a half days

[Datisi]

the amount of salt i will have if he's scum and wins this game kn the basis of doing literally fucking nothing is unreal

anyway

[Datisi]

gg i was maf

[Datisi]

please tell me you're being sarcastic

[Datisi]

jesus christ did you actually fall for that

[Datisi]

pls tell me you didn't :p

[Datisi]

for my own sanity i will assume you didn't

anyway, if that flips town i will probably cry. gypyx pls do flip

[Datisi]

me and ico are p much on the same page... worrying...

[Datisi]

AHAHAHAHAAH FUCK THIS GAME

icoooooooooo

we have things to taaaaaaalk abouuuuuut

also i see llama's online so if he could pretend to be town and start the massclaim that would be dope

[Datisi]

massive balls not killing me last night, ico, i'll give you that!!!

[Datisi]

oh and llama just scumclaimed as well??? fucking majestic

[Datisi]

massive balls not killing me last night, ico, i'll give you that!!!

yeah

"yeah"? "yeah"??????? the fuck does that even

icoooooo what are you doing

[Datisi]

ico quit the bullshit

i thought i was for sure gonna be the one to go after luca bc you'd need us both dead

pedit: fine. massclaim order?

outworld - umlaut - ico - sam - me - koto is my preferred but i'm starting to really really not give a shit anymore

[Datisi]

They die and I eat a NK as VT.

though this reminds me

neither the conftown nor the "claimed power role" died last night

curious

[Datisi]

there is no way ever i'm in the middle of the pack, and also i'm going dead last

period

llama already claimed and oooooh boy how the fuck are you going last

[Datisi]

if i'm scum you died 100000000000000% of the time

this is the ONLY thing fucking with me right now because i one million percent expected a dead thread pt link

[Datisi]

did s_s get killed for his mech knowledge? oh my fucking god

ico, in what universe am i scum here
like, how is ANYTHING in this game within my scumrange lololol

pedit: yeah no shit

[Datisi]

you literally did this exact same shit last time you were scum against me

except you panic killed me as soon as you sensed i was gonna turn on you

pedit: some combo of umlaut/outworld/llama? fuck if i know i didn't try to comb your iso i was expecting to die

ppedit: i dropped it bc anya flipped town ico!!!

[Datisi]

like

in scum!ico world

who am i scum with? lol

how is this an argument

how is this an argument here

why do you think you couldn't be partners with people here?

[Datisi]

oh yeah there was a slapfight btwn you and umlaut

how are you not partnered with llama again?

[Datisi]

half an hour ago i was really hoping to survive the night just so i can yell at you but right now i'm actually wishing i got murdered

okay fine massclaim first, whatever

this is probably lost anyway

[Datisi]

there is literally no way he is town, and in the *actual* event where anya did fake anything this game is over anyway

if this actually happened, i will feel literally zero bad feelings about having lost this game

also i really really think we need to massclaim today because things need my input there ok thanks

[Datisi]

wait, no-one is claiming tracker?

[Datisi]

that would've been funnier if the basterds didn't kill luca

[Datisi]

then we have no problems massclaiming, no?

[Datisi]

anyway, another reason why llama is scum - the people asking for him to claim yesterday were anya, koto, s_s, and me. *even if* you don't yet think i'm town here, there other 3 are confirmed. scum could've very easily swapped it onto him and fished more information out.

and the fact he didn't get killed even though "scum thought he's more than a vt"...

pedit: koto, i think at this point getting info out *now* is more useful than keeping it hidden for maybe something to happen tonight

2 protectives are dead, an investigative is dead, mailman isn't working

like

[Datisi]

relooking at my notes

people that voted llama: luca, datisi, ico, koto, rathe, anya
luca gets cold feet here
people that voted llama part two: datisi, ico, koto, rathe, anya, infinity

this is a thing that happened

does iconeum bus here

the question of the century

he did swap to infinity later on

[Datisi]

It is interesting how fast [llama] wagon built up compared to certain other wagons which have faltered

UNVOTE:

Idk, I feel conflicted. I think Llama won’t be online for a while based on his last post so I want a bit of breathing space here while I mull things over

i think if llama is scum, he'd have to be scum with like... some mix of 2 out of {andres, s_s, umlaut, samantha, maaaaaybe outworld} which like... doesn't sound too insane.

The more I mull things over the more I feel like limming Datisi

Trying....so hard......to resist

Glancing over your scum meta is only intensifying this feeling

WE WERE ON THE VERGE OF GREATNESS

WE WERE

THIS

CLOSE

[Datisi]

people voting llama: (Luca Blight formerly) Datisi, Iconeum, Koto, Rathe, Anya, Infinity 324

people who didn't: me, andres, outworlder, umlaut

I know I'm town so the way I see it either andres/outworlder/umlaut are all mafia (possible lol) or there is/was mafia on the wagon

or llama is mafia and there's 2 mafia in that pool

good post?

[Datisi]

the bigger issue here is that if Samantha is town, we need her alligned

which wasn't the case yesterday

i'm getting the sinking feeling that that's why i'm still breathing

[Datisi]

Infinity 324 (5) Andresvmb, Datisi, Luca Blight, Umlaut, Iconeum
Datisi (1) samantha97
Samantha97 (2): Llamafluff, OutworldER
llamafluff (4) koto, Rathe, Anya, Infinity 324

Not Voting (1): Something_Smart

i'm not sure? that this vc makes sense with a samantha/llama/outworld scumteam

samantha/llama/umlaut maaaaaaaybe but also ???

[Datisi]

people voting llama: (Luca Blight formerly) Datisi, Iconeum, Koto, Rathe, Anya, Infinity 324

people who didn't: me, andres, outworlder, umlaut

I know I'm town so the way I see it either andres/outworlder/umlaut are all mafia (possible lol) or there is/was mafia on the wagon

or llama is mafia and there's 2 mafia in that pool

good post?

like, i'm not sure scum!samantha, with llama and one of umlaut/outworld, makes this post, when a llama yeet is DANGEROUSLY looming over and is genuinely a real possibility

[Datisi]

do you really wanna do this

ico i think you know damn well why my read on you went from "town" to "oh gOD OH FUCK" and i would appreciate if you weren't acting like a fucking ass about it

[Datisi]

umlaut's posts around pages 74-76 are fucking disgusting in retrospect

[Datisi]

why are you getting so bitchy about it

are you genuiney surprised that i'm taking a step back here until massclaim is done?

[Datisi]

why are you getting so bitchy about it

are you genuiney surprised that i'm taking a step back here until massclaim is done?

what you are doing is close to actively sabotaging any kind of town cohesion there's left

why are you like this