Open 807 | Town Win

[Salsabil Faria]

Hi everyone

I want to know how smart you're

VOTE: Something_Smart

[Salsabil Faria]

Sorry, I'm having back-to-back class tests + assignments, forgot about the game yesterday. I'll catch up now.

[Salsabil Faria]

you can tell that i'm town because all of the exclamation marks in my first few posts indicate excitement; i prefer playing as town, therefore, i wouldn't be excited if i hadn't drawn town.

I'm taking this as a joke.

Tone of 52-54, I don't think scum expresses that they are town so outwardly like that.

for this we need FOUR more votes.

Also taking this as a joke...

Why are we bullying implosion? Did I miss a memo?

Because he received a red role pm. We are required to bully those into submission.

And how do you know that already?

I'm going to stop fluffposting now because I don't want the >1/2 of the player list with <=5 posts to be bogged down before they can enter the game.

I'm explaining this so as to project that I'm town.

Gross!

P-edit: Dunnstral.

Dunnstral locktown

im so good at this game i surprise myself sometimes

How is he locktown already with his 3 posts??

[Salsabil Faria]

How is he locktown already with his 3 posts??

You don't seem to have taken issue with the other guy calling me scum

Locktown and null town are not the same? You can be a null town but not lock town at the moment.

[Salsabil Faria]

UNVOTE: Something_Smart

Don't like your defensive nature on 183, it was not required fmpov.

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Salsabil Faria]

V/LA for 2 days due to exams.

[Salsabil Faria]

Hi, I'm here now, need some time to catch-up.

[Salsabil Faria]

Artemiana's ISO ain't great in the early going. Shading Pooky from the sidelines (when Pooky is looking town AF), unexplained vote on me when i was getting heat, and has already acknowledged finding it difficult to feign scumhunting.

VOTE: Artemiana

let's do this

Cow Friend got my back

VOTE: Artemiana

time to make arrow girl walk the plank

VOTE: Artemiana

Animal squad assemble

Was i summoned?

VOTE: artemiana.

VOTE: Artemiana

Bear sheep cow.. cow sheep bear sheeping cow.. penguin sheep cow sheeping bear sheeping cow.. monkey sheep penguin sheeping cow sheeping bear sheeping cow

P.S. I did cheat this time around. I had to make sure I wasn't lol!hammering (now THAT would have been a GOOD joke, wouldn't it?)

L-1 by my count

As it's not locked yet, are you telling me, you missed this vote unintentionally?

busy work-wise but alright overall, you?
we could run Artemiana up to -2

sure
VOTE: Artemania

[Salsabil Faria]

UNVOTE: Something_Smart

Don't like your defensive nature on 183, it was not required fmpov.

VOTE: Dunnstral

It's not defensive, I was calling you out. You only cared to dismantle the townread.

You don't seem to have taken issue with the other guy calling me scum

I'm also trying to figure out what your motivation for posting this was. Pooky called you locktown... I called you someone that I "mildly like for scum" and then listed you when Pooky asked me to list one person that I thought was scum, essentially.

Why do you feel Salsabil taking issue with the latter implies she should take issue with the former?

I just feel that Salsa was only deconstructing townreads and not looking at everything. Or at least I was trying to figure out what was going on

You got the whole thing wrong. I don't have any problem if someone townread/scumread you, my point was: you had only 3 posts when

PookyTheMagicalBear

townlocked you, which I find unusual. If they scumlocked you with your 3 posts, I'll ask the same question.

[Salsabil Faria]

Hi, I'm here now, need some time to catch-up.

5 hours later...

I fell asleep while reading the posts.

[Salsabil Faria]

Wait, the day isn't over yet, we need 7 votes to hammer

[Salsabil Faria]

someone explain this concept of locktown to your grandpa

back in my day...

Locking someone as a town.

Not_Mafia is generally known for lurking, not really posting anything game relevant when he does post beyond a vote, never explaining anything and quick hammering anything that reaches e-1.

i would prefer the person i asked to be the one to answer the question but thank you

If you're gonna take claim, at least make it believable

what do you think they are hoping to accomplish by pretending to be masons?

Probably confuse everyone cause that’s all they are re doing to me as I don’t understand the need to claim a role that is impossible in this setup?

You're overthinking this 'mason' thing. They are not exactly

claiming

claiming as this role isn't in this set-up, maybe they are friends or townread each other or both.

Also, real quick.

Pookie isn't doing anything to advance the game-state, bogging it down, and is looking active.

That's a pro-scum move imo.

How many open set-up games you played before? These are different from other mafia games imo and I don't think (yet)

PookyTheMagicalBear

's funnier gameplay style is actually AI here.

town doesn't come out of the gate excited about being town, even if they like playing town. especially since i was extremely excited to play this game but my excitement waned when the thread was opened 24 hours after mafia was done picking roles. scum come out excited because their nerves are higher so they're more likely to be agitated or bombastic with their entry. at least, that's what i believe. hence the nervous energy behind implosion's "hello!!!!!" and "wow!!!!!" posts.

thus endeth the lesson. now that i explained it i expect a flurry of implosion votes.

There's three people "scumreading" me and I've barely posted

You guys can go ahead and town lock me

Bad post.

Tempted to flip a coin between Banjo Kapooie and hyper tunnel one of them to break them up

Who are they?

No one actively inhibited anything.

I don't really think that's true. I saw several instances of shitpost responses to serious posts, encouraging shitposting, and just generally spamming up the thread. This makes it harder for people to actually play seriously.

It probably wasn't on purpose. But it's still annoying.

I'm enjoying btw. These are fun posts to me and made me laugh sometimes while reading.

My current inclinations are something like... STD > Pooky > S_S > [everyone else] > (but not really meaningfully) Mini, Dunn.

This is your townreads?

[Salsabil Faria]

VOTE: MiniMegabyte

I think this hits scum decently often.

VOTE: MiniMegabyte

Can both of you case her, please?

Salsabil Faria can easily be scum

I think we should take care of them and MiniMegabyte, I don't have a preference between the two

Yeah, sure you think I'm scum here.
My pronoun is she/her btw.

VOTE: MiniMegabyte

I think this hits scum decently often.

VOTE: MiniMegabyte

And Dunn is responding. My solve is Dunn is the other Mafioso (main) and implo is the Traitor. Piece if cake.

Hmm, I like the idea but not sure this game is a piece of cake already.

From page #25 + wiki, if I understand correctly, The weak hider

hides behind

the target of their

night choice

and if the

night choice

is

scum

, then the weak hider will

die

because of

targeting scum

at the night, right? If so, then I believe it's

implosion

. At least, by seeing

PenguinPower

's gameplay on Day 1, it indicates

implosion

.

VOTE: implosion

Also, I don't understand the

Mafia Traitor

role clearly, is it a choice or they have to betray the mafia team? How this role works basically?

penguinpower "crumbing" a hide on me by scumreading me half the day then not scumreading me half the day would be absolutely hilariously bad play.

N_M makes sense as a target; open 806 just ended where Penguin incorrectly townread N_M but his play this game IMO was a bit starkly different from that one (hence me saying I lightly townread him).

Umm, but if he targeted

Not_Mafia

at N1, then why he isn't alive?

ISO PP. He voted implo in RVS, was focused on him all day, and revoted him to reassert his crumb.

Gonna have to call BS on this. I've been mis-exed because people thought that a hider visited me, the person they had been pushing all day.

News flash, hiders want to not visit scum. You do not hide behind a person you're scumreading. That's terrible play.

Maybe a terrible play but not 0 helpful for the town? Like,

PenguinPower

's targeting

implosion

strongly on Day 1, then his dying at N1 most probably indicates another scum (in this case

implosion

) here? His

questionable terrible play

according to you, actually not that terrible? AT Day 1, we caught 1 scum, from

PenguinPower

's dying we may have caught another one.... not that bad actually.

and the way PP plays Weak Hider is NOT to try and survive, but rather as a one-shot Cop.

based on...?

PP character. He even OUTED he was the Weak Hider when he promptly responded to Artimiana's fake claim with one word: Liar (tell me you didn't notice that too)

Agreed.

I disagree that penguin crumbed that he was going to hide behind implosion

You're giving me the

traitor

vibe here.

I think Implosion could be scum.

But PenguinPower clearly crumbed hiding with Not Mafia.

Where exactly? Can you mention the post(s), please?

[Salsabil Faria]

I think we should take care of them and MiniMegabyte, I don't have a preference between the two

Why specifically the two of us?

Both off wagon and looking through isos, I don't see anything to point towards not being partners. Both of you have interacted minimally with Artemenia. I think it is likely that there is scum in here, and at the very least there is no reason for me to think you two are town.

MiniMegabyte

is in my null list and I'm not going to advocate her here but only myself. I had minimal interactions with other players too, not only

Artemiana

. The reason behind my minimal interactions is my exams. Then I started to catch up but

Artemiana

was on V/LA, so the chance to interact with (specifically) her became less. Then the wrong hammer happened before I came online, and I'm the one who identifies that the day was not over yet. After that, I was catching up again, while

Artemiana

still didn't show up. I didn't want to over the day soon without hearing what she had to say, but there is a thing called

time difference

and for that, I couldn't be online at the time

Artemiana

decided to show up and made her case as bad as hell. If I was there that time, I also voted her.

[Salsabil Faria]

we are definitely going off-wagon for the elim today.

VC 1.17

Not voting (2):

Something_Smart, implosion

Not_Mafia (1):

Minimegabyte

Dunnstral (1):

Salsabil Faria

Battle Mage (1):

Artemiana

Artemiana (7) (HAMMER)

:

Battle Mage, Not_Mafia, PenguinPower, PookyTheMagicalBear, Scipio1, Almost50, Save The Dragons

Something_Smart (1):

Dunnstral

With 7 votes, Artemiana has been eliminated. They were a

Spoiler:

Mafia Goon

[/spoiler]

Night 1 ends in (expired on 2021-03-20 00:21:14)

Who do you suspicious of most from the off-wagon?

[Salsabil Faria]

I had minimal interactions with other players too, not only Artemiana. The reason behind my minimal interactions is my exams. Then I started to catch up but Artemiana was on V/LA, so the chance to interact with (specifically) her became less. Then the wrong hammer happened before I came online, and I'm the one who identifies that the day was not over yet. After that, I was catching up again, while Artemiana still didn't show up. I didn't want to over the day soon without hearing what she had to say, but there is a thing called time difference and for that, I couldn't be online at the time Artemiana decided to show up and made her case as bad as hell. If I was there that time, I also voted her.

ew
VOTE: Salsabil Faria

[Salsabil Faria]

ISO PP. He voted implo in RVS, was focused on him all day, and revoted him to reassert his crumb.

Gonna have to call BS on this. I've been mis-exed because people thought that a hider visited me, the person they had been pushing all day.

News flash, hiders want to not visit scum. You do not hide behind a person you're scumreading. That's terrible play.

^

ISO PP. He voted implo in RVS, was focused on him all day, and revoted him to reassert his crumb.

Gonna have to call BS on this. I've been mis-exed because people thought that a hider visited me, the person they had been pushing all day.

News flash, hiders want to not visit scum. You do not hide behind a person you're scumreading. That's terrible play.

Maybe a terrible play but not 0 helpful for the town? Like,

PenguinPower

's targeting

implosion

strongly on Day 1, then his dying at N1 most probably indicates another scum (in this case

implosion

) here? His

questionable terrible play

according to you, actually not that terrible? AT Day 1, we caught 1 scum, from

PenguinPower

's dying we may have caught another one.... not that bad actually.

Yeah, sure you think I'm scum here.

What is this line supposed to imply?

Start reading from the 1st page.

[Salsabil Faria]

damn this thread is hoppin' need to go back and reread all that's been posted since day 2 before i vote, but...

in hindsight, i think it's likely that penguin hid behind n_m after crumbing it

i'd like to go off wagon today

What does this

crumbing

mean exactly? And where did he do that on

Not_Mafia

? Cause I'm thinking it's

implosion

?

[Salsabil Faria]

Artemiana, more like LyingClodpole.

where he uses n_m verbiage of "clodpole" from the beginning of the day to indicate where he is hiding. an astute scum may have actually figured that out...

Well, in that case they did not kill

Not_Mafia

then? By keeping him alive, they could lead to a miselimination on Day 2?
Also, if your theory is correct then

Not_Mafia

and

PenguinPower

both got night killed on the same night which means the mafia can double-nk? Is it possible in this set-up?

[Salsabil Faria]

Maybe a terrible play but not 0 helpful for the town? Like, PenguinPower's targeting implosion strongly on Day 1, then his dying at N1 most probably indicates another scum (in this case implosion) here? His questionable terrible play according to you, actually not that terrible? AT Day 1, we caught 1 scum, from PenguinPower's dying we may have caught another one.... not that bad actually.

But like, if he already scumreads implosion, he could just target someone else and try to execute implosion today. Since he's a confirmed PR people would probably listen to him, and then we'd have one fewer dead townie and two alive confirmed townies.

But he couldn't know his scumread on

implosion

was right or wrong? He did strongly and openly scumread

implosion

, but later

Artemiana

's wagon was building up (which is also interesting cause the other wagon he insisted on from the beginning was

implosion

's) and flipped red. So he targeted

implosion

to be sure and got killed?

Umm, but if he targeted Not_Mafia at N1, then why he isn't alive?

...Because N_M died?

Wait, from wiki, I find that the weak hider will die if their targeted player is scum, but

Not_Mafia

flipped green. Am I missing something here?

[Salsabil Faria]

no -_-

if the hider hides behind the NK target they both die

Wait, I'm going to check the wiki again then.

[Salsabil Faria]

no -_-

if the hider hides behind the NK target they both die

Wait, I'm going to check the wiki again then.

Wrong color*

[Salsabil Faria]

Hider is immune to NK's, but if their target dies, they die too.
Weak hider, in addition to the above, dies if they target scum.

Then I'm right? If

PenguinPower

was immune to the nk, then obviously he targeted scum which can't be

Not_Mafia

?

[Salsabil Faria]

think of it like a house.

if scum come to your house, you die.

the hider goes to someone else's house. so if scum comes to the hider's house, there's no one there to kill.

however, if scum goes to someone's house, and the hider's eating apple slices with their new buddy, you think scum's gonna let them get off scott free? BAM BAM everyone gets whacked in that house

penguin went to N_M's house and both got killed because scum went to N_M's house.

You're talking about hider here but

PenguinPower

was a

weak

hider. That is what I find from the wiki about

weak hider

:

Weak hider, in addition to the above, dies if they target scum.

[Salsabil Faria]

@Mod

, can you share the

weak hider

's role card, please?

[Salsabil Faria]

Spoiler:

Sorry for being annoying English is not my native language

[Salsabil Faria]

I like Salsa's enthusiasm

the shit is very +Town

Salsa do you want to join the Elite Animal PD?

[Salsabil Faria]

Btw, it clears

implosion

name ig.

UNVOTE: implosion

@

Almost50

, you have some explaining to do. So, there can't be 2 kills on the same night ig? If so, then it clearly explains why both

Not_Mafia

and

PenguinPower

were killed on N1. In that basis + my 522 + your 535, I'm leaning scum on you atm. I was actually thinking to question you about your answer regarding my 522, but when I started reading the posts, I got the weak hider thing wrong, and for that voted

implosion

.

VOTE: Almost50

[Salsabil Faria]

btw you need to pick an animal too so I can write you into the next scenes

Pick an animal as an avatar? Don't want to change my avatar kind of...

am i the only one who thought it was interesting that 1 scum was just a goon? likely there are fewer town PRs I guess.

could be Mini-scum. but wouldn't Mini power up the partner?

Mafia can power up before the Day 1?

[Salsabil Faria]

we are definitely going off-wagon for the elim today.

VC 1.17

Not voting (2):

Something_Smart, implosion

Not_Mafia (1):

Minimegabyte

Dunnstral (1):

Salsabil Faria

Battle Mage (1):

Artemiana

Artemiana (7) (HAMMER)

:

Battle Mage, Not_Mafia, PenguinPower, PookyTheMagicalBear, Scipio1, Almost50, Save The Dragons

Something_Smart (1):

Dunnstral

With 7 votes, Artemiana has been eliminated. They were a

Spoiler:

Mafia Goon

[/spoiler]

Night 1 ends in (expired on 2021-03-20 00:21:14)

Who do you suspicious of most from the off-wagon?

[Salsabil Faria]

qq can mafia give multiple powers to a person?

B_M why do you think Mini would power up the partner?

Mini is personally a nice and benevolent character, and would be more likely to:

1. Encourage their teammate to take a cool PR.
2. Get excited at having a high powered team.

But now Salsa is making me 2nd guess the setup haha. I need to do some more thinking.

Let's ask to the

Mod

, my head is spinning already from understanding this set-up!

[Salsabil Faria]

the mafia traitor thing is interesting - the traitor doesn't know who the scum are, but the scum presumably know the traitor? or maybe not, as that makes the recruiting ability quite powerful.

@Mod - does mafia know who traitor is?

From wiki, the traitor knows who are the mafia but the mafia team doesn't who is the traitor ig.

[Salsabil Faria]

Wow, you guys talk too much give me some time to catch-up.

[Salsabil Faria]

Not finished read all the posts fyi, doing assignments, will be back later.

[Salsabil Faria]

702: Iirc, we played together before, and you were scumreaded because of your out-of-the-box method? If so, I still can't mind-meld with the thought you mentioned on this post, and getting TMI vibes tbh.

709: Agreed,

Artemiana

's Day 1 play was staged I believe, at least that part when she got caught and it was decided that she will be flipped no matter what.

719: Don't understand.

725: Don't agree with this part: "

always punish players who defend scum

". Before seeing the flip how will the town knows who is who here? Where scum is also trying to look townie to confuse, there will be always one/some real townies who will defend scum. If you always go after someone on the basis of defending scum only, the mafia can easily manipulate you there.

727, 728: good points.

732: Can you provide reason according to this: "

Mini, implosion, STD, Dunn are the people I'm looking at, roughly in that order

".

734: Reply on this: "

because I'm fairly sure the setup doesn't have scum pick town roles

". Scum can't pick town role ever, can't they?

Battle Mage

was talking about picking power roles, towns have PRs, scums have too. When scums have picked their PRs, the town will be granted some PRs too. Feeling like you're faking town-slipped.
"

Remember there might be a traitor

": Is it a slip too? Over all of the people, you should know the set-up pretty well.

738: For the reason you want to give

Minimegabyte

a day-pass here, the same reason could be applied for

Artemiana

(I'm talking about the scenario while she was on V/LA and didn't do anything particular townie like

Minimegabyte

atm, not after the shit play of her) in Day 1. It's a bit contradictory imo. Also, I agree that if

Minimegabyte

is the other scum here, then it's a town win and we can wait.

740: "

but on previous experience Salsabil can look pretty scummy as town

": Lol, people still get scum vibes from me even if I'm town, kind of getting used to it now

741: Thank you for your

Minimegabyte

case but I'm not a big fan of meta cause energy level keeps changing here, if you go through my completed games you'll understand. She is still on my null list.

743: Can you give your reasons?

Btw, I'm seeing

Battle_Mage

vs

Something_Smart

as TvT for now.

748: Hmmm...

752: Wait, there is a traitor, so there should be a recruiter? Cause not having a recruiter doesn't make sense to have a traitor

757: What's your read on

Dunnstral

?

766: Agreed on this part: "

We don't need to elim the traitor to win - elimming the last mafia wins us the game. So why would we ever focus on the traitor?

"

768: Agreed: "

I agree it's a good idea to bias yourself toward people who defended scum being scum, but it isn't a good reason fullstop on its own without context

".

770, 771: good points.

799: You're kind of a slightly bizarre

805: I didn't take

they/them

as offensive btw, I thought you forgot my pronoun there.

Before I forget,

UNVOTE: Almost50

VOTE: implosion

I have faith in my boss

PookyTheMagicalBear

.

815: I get lost in there: "

If we have a Neapolitan we have a clear
If we have a Follower/Jailkeeper we have a "soft-clear"
If we have a Doctor we have nothing

"

819: If the recruiter shot the traitor then they will be recruited, right? If so, then this will not be listed on the nk result? Cause if the nk result will be shown that the traitor has died then we all know they were recruited? That doesn't make sense
Also, if the traitor will not be recruited at all, on whose side they will be playing then if one of the scums is still alive?

820: Only in newbie games, mafias have day-talk?

824: Music to my ear.

827:

@Mod

, please clarify this (refer: 820). If it gets confirmed, then we can eliminate the traitor today over the scum also.

833: Point!

8454: As a matter of fact,

Dunnstral

himself was off-wagon

863: Salsabil Faria is my real name, you can use Faria (it's not my surname) as Salsabil is the large one. Not Sabil, please?

Well, after reading

MiniMegabyte

vs

Dunnstral

, I'm more sure

Dunnstral

is the scum here, if not then the traitor.

MiniMegabyte

looks townie here. Boss

PookyTheMagicalBear

, what do you think?

895, 897:

[Salsabil Faria]

Crap! I didn't realize 901 will be so big! Sorry in advance if anyone faces trouble reading
Btw,

implosion

is on E-2 I suppose, but my heart is telling me to vote

Dunnstral

.... say something boss

PookytheMagicalBear

, say something!

[Salsabil Faria]

Spoiler:

702: Iirc, we played together before, and you were scumreaded because of your out-of-the-box method? If so, I still can't mind-meld with the thought you mentioned on this post, and getting TMI vibes tbh.

709: Agreed,

Artemiana

's Day 1 play was staged I believe, at least that part when she got caught and it was decided that she will be flipped no matter what.

719: Don't understand.

725: Don't agree with this part: "

always punish players who defend scum

". Before seeing the flip how will the town knows who is who here? Where scum is also trying to look townie to confuse, there will be always one/some real townies who will defend scum. If you always go after someone on the basis of defending scum only, the mafia can easily manipulate you there.

727, 728: good points.

732: Can you provide reason according to this: "

Mini, implosion, STD, Dunn are the people I'm looking at, roughly in that order

".

734: Reply on this: "

because I'm fairly sure the setup doesn't have scum pick town roles

". Scum can't pick town role ever, can't they?

Battle Mage

was talking about picking power roles, towns have PRs, scums have too. When scums have picked their PRs, the town will be granted some PRs too. Feeling like you're faking town-slipped.
"

Remember there might be a traitor

": Is it a slip too? Over all of the people, you should know the set-up pretty well.

738: For the reason you want to give

Minimegabyte

a day-pass here, the same reason could be applied for

Artemiana

(I'm talking about the scenario while she was on V/LA and didn't do anything particular townie like

Minimegabyte

atm, not after the shit play of her) in Day 1. It's a bit contradictory imo. Also, I agree that if

Minimegabyte

is the other scum here, then it's a town win and we can wait.

740: "

but on previous experience Salsabil can look pretty scummy as town

": Lol, people still get scum vibes from me even if I'm town, kind of getting used to it now

741: Thank you for your

Minimegabyte

case but I'm not a big fan of meta cause energy level keeps changing here, if you go through my completed games you'll understand. She is still on my null list.

743: Can you give your reasons?

Btw, I'm seeing

Battle_Mage

vs

Something_Smart

as TvT for now.

748: Hmmm...

752: Wait, there is a traitor, so there should be a recruiter? Cause not having a recruiter doesn't make sense to have a traitor

757: What's your read on

Dunnstral

?

766: Agreed on this part: "

We don't need to elim the traitor to win - elimming the last mafia wins us the game. So why would we ever focus on the traitor?

"

768: Agreed: "

I agree it's a good idea to bias yourself toward people who defended scum being scum, but it isn't a good reason fullstop on its own without context

".

770, 771: good points.

799: You're kind of a slightly bizarre

805: I didn't take

they/them

as offensive btw, I thought you forgot my pronoun there.

Before I forget,

UNVOTE: Almost50

VOTE: implosion

I have faith in my boss

PookyTheMagicalBear

.

815: I get lost in there: "

If we have a Neapolitan we have a clear
If we have a Follower/Jailkeeper we have a "soft-clear"
If we have a Doctor we have nothing

"

819: If the recruiter shot the traitor then they will be recruited, right? If so, then this will not be listed on the nk result? Cause if the nk result will be shown that the traitor has died then we all know they were recruited? That doesn't make sense
Also, if the traitor will not be recruited at all, on whose side they will be playing then if one of the scums is still alive?

820: Only in newbie games, mafias have day-talk?

824: Music to my ear.

827:

@Mod

, please clarify this (refer: 820). If it gets confirmed, then we can eliminate the traitor today over the scum also.

833: Point!

8454: As a matter of fact,

Dunnstral

himself was off-wagon

863: Salsabil Faria is my real name, you can use Faria (it's not my surname) as Salsabil is the large one. Not Sabil, please?

Well, after reading

MiniMegabyte

vs

Dunnstral

, I'm more sure

Dunnstral

is the scum here, if not then the traitor.

MiniMegabyte

looks townie here. Boss

PookyTheMagicalBear

, what do you think?

895, 897:

EBWOP= 845: As a matter of fact,

Dunnstral

himself was off-wagon

[Salsabil Faria]

VC 2.1

Not voting (5):

Minimegabyte, Scipio1, Something_Smart, PookytheMagicalBear, Almost50

Minimegabyte (2):

Dunnstral, implosion

implosion (3):

Battle Mage, Save The Dragons, Salsabil Faria

(expired on 2021-04-05 02:51:02) until deadline

You missed

PookyTheMagicalBear

's vote

Mod

.

are you voting implo then?

I should vote implo

VOTE: implosion

let's get this done

[Salsabil Faria]

you can win as town white flag style by eliminating the other two players (and they get two power roles to work with).

@mod: no they don't

Can't mods modify roles?

[Salsabil Faria]

Btw, I'll be busy tomorrow, have an exam on Friday.

[Salsabil Faria]

The Mafia have 24 hours to select any of the follow modifications to be applied to the team (up to three) assigning which Goon or Traitor gets the additional abilities.

If I understand correctly, then the mafias know who the traitor is?

[Salsabil Faria]

Also, mafias don't have a recruiter by default, now I'm understanding the set-up.

[Salsabil Faria]

The Mafia have 24 hours to select any of the follow modifications to be applied to the team (up to three) assigning which Goon or Traitor gets the additional abilities.

If I understand correctly, then the mafias know who the traitor is?

@Mod

, can you clear this also please?

[Salsabil Faria]

because recruiting the traitor still means that they're failing to kill a townie that night, something that really matters given the town roles.)

Ok, so from the Day 1 nk, it proves that the traitor wasn't recruited, got it now too.

[Salsabil Faria]

Spoiler:

[Salsabil Faria]

The Mafia have 24 hours to select any of the follow modifications to be applied to the team (up to three) assigning which Goon or Traitor gets the additional abilities.

If I understand correctly, then the mafias know who the traitor is?

Nope

Thanks!

[Salsabil Faria]

FYI I'm probably going to be effectively V/LA for... some amount of time. I'm getting my second covid shot later today (which is very good) but everyone claims side effects are bad. So we'll see.

Good luck Btw, my mom took the vaccine and no side effects happened, you'll be good I hope.

that's two people that want Dunn over Implo.

what's the reasoning?

Just go through his ISOs, when you locked him as town very early stage of the game and I questioned your read on him, he was over defensive which was not required, he is following

implosion

kind of

blindly

rn, scumreading me and

Minimegabyte

for the

off-wagon

reason where he

himself

was not on the

Artemiana

's wagon.

I have done something. I've pushed MiniMegabyte today.

Enough of this crap! You were off-wagon too, why don't you vote/scumread yourself then, hm??

[Salsabil Faria]

[Salsabil Faria]

Dunn can legitimately be off-wagon and still think scum is off-wagon though. The bit I find off from Dunn and others, is suggesting all the off-wagon folk are equally culpable - when being off-wagon and vocally against the scum elim, is different (NB: scummier) to being off-wagon and just...not posting.

For that reason you find

Minimegabyte

more scummier than

Dunnstral

? Why scum!him will not do it for towncred?

[Salsabil Faria]

Oh, I understood wrong then, sorry.

[Salsabil Faria]

[Salsabil Faria]

I will post tomorrow here.

[Salsabil Faria]

I like

Almost50

's case on

Minimegabyte

better than

implosion

's which I think was a good chance to redeem yourself as a town

Minimegabyte

, but your response makes it worse despite having medical issues.
Boss

PookytheMagicalBear

, I want to vote

Minimegabyte

/

Dunnstral

over

implosion

today.

@Mod

, can you give us a VC please?

[Salsabil Faria]

Not interested at claiming.

[Salsabil Faria]

V/LA till tomorrow

[Salsabil Faria]

I supposed to be here yesterday but couldn't do it because I was very exhausted, sorry for that! Let me catch up first.

[Salsabil Faria]

Well, on Day 2, it was either

the worst/Minimegabyte

slot or

Dunnstral

for me,

the worst/Minimegabyte

slot flipped town, not sure about

implosion

yet, so:

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Salsabil Faria]

dunn should probably claim

If he flips town, then who do you think can be scum(s)?

[Salsabil Faria]

Btw

Dunnstral

, you're at E-2 rn.

[Salsabil Faria]

Come on dude

Almost50

! I wanted to see what

Scipio1

wanted to do with the hammer

[Salsabil Faria]

i wouldn’t have hammered

[Salsabil Faria]

My POE will be {

Almost50

,

implosion

,

Scipio1

,

PookytheMagicalBear

,

Something_Smart

} in this sequence.

VOTE: Almost50

I kept sparing you only because of

PookytheMagicalBear

, don't want to do that anymore. It's true that

Dunnstral

started

the worst/Minimegabyte

wagon, but he flipped town and the opposite wagon was

implosion

's. We almost got

implosion

but then, you appeared and got

the worst/Minimegabyte

slot successfully. Either scum!you knew that

the worst/Minimegabyte

slot's claim was true for obvious reason, or scum!you thought/are thinking that

implosion

is the traitor here. In these both case, scum!you killed two birds in one stone. Also, don't like your hammer on

Dunnstral

, I wanted to see what

Scipio1

would do, but maybe scum!you did that to frame

Scipio1

?

[Salsabil Faria]

@Salsa why is SS last in your PoE?

Mainly because of

PookytheMagicalBear

's position in my list. I still townread them but if they are the scum here, then clearly I'm in their deep pocket? I also townread

Something_Smart

, so between these 2, with the consideration of scum!

PookytheMagicalBear

's pocketing attempt,

Something_Smart

is townier than them.

btw we should no-elim today, right

Wait, we will be on mylo tomorrow on Day 5, aren't we? Then no elimination will be the best for the town ig.

UNVOTE: Almost50

VOTE: No Elimination

VOTE: Pooky

Never thought that the CAPTAIN of the Police Department was indeed our Kira. Well done, "Light Yagami "

I guess I should claim now. I am the Nea, and Scipio is a VT, while Pooky is not. My first check was on N_M but he died on the same night. (which is why I got frustrated bc I picked N_M thinking NO WAY he eats a bullet on N1)

Umm... after the nk1, it was/is

almost

cleared that the scum team didn't take any PR role for them (?), which means the town only had 2 PRs those are already dead. I don't even understand what role you claimed but

nice try

you know!

Before anyone asks; I decided to check Pooky for 2 reasons: (1) Him being alive while being "the leader" didn't make much sense to me,

i don't think pooky's reaction is particularly town indicative, and i still think it's odd that he wasn't NKed

Their being alive while being the leader didn't stop the last 2 miseliminations, which means scum is having benefit from not killing them?

salsa has a50 in her sights so of course he makes the desperation fake claim at mylo cuz he only needs one more miselim to win the game.

VOTE: a50

Am I a good rookie then?

Salsa -> me -> Scipio for the remaining claim order?

VT

you don't check the guy that's gonna be limmed the next day as an investigative cus they're dead anyways... optimally you check the players who aren't super scummy or super towny

We should stop replying for others

salsa>implo>s_s imo, although I'm not confident in this

Salsa?? I thought you said she was likely Town! What caused you to change your read there??

it's ordered from town to scum, sry

Why do you scumread

Something_Smart

?

a50 is spewing Salsa as town and Scipio as town, means the last scum is between Implo and SS.

Ummm.... he spewing

Scipio1

as town ig?
Do you still think it's

implosion

?

hm

the only thing I find a bit weird is that a50 tried to NK bait by ‘soft’ ccing mini which wouldn’t make sense to do as a PR. A50, can you explain?

I can now. A bit too preemptive, but if I go on further it could result in a town loss.

My actual guilty was on SALSA, not Pooky. HOWEVER, I wanted to take a shot in the dark and reaction test Pooky (just in case). I am not 100% confident still, but I think his reaction is more Townie than not.

Your question here pings me as Town too. Let's take this one step at a time:

1- Scum already know how many TPRs are left alive. If 0 they know my claim is BS, and if 1 they found their final NK target.

2- Based on the above; S_S is Town by virtue of calling for the mass claim after I fake claimed

3- ALSO Scipio is Town because Scum have no incentive to throw shade on what they already know/think is a fake/true TPR claim. Either way "their job" is being done for them.

4- Scum will be more reluctant than Town top actually VOTE Pooky here. They have a winning situation if one more vote is casted on Pooky and they can then quick hammer. UNFORTUNATELY; I didn't get to test that and will have to abort my gambit prematurely, but I think I got what I needed.

So Salsa + implo is my soleve.

@Pooky: I can't believe YOU fell for THAT. I mean, you did know it was a bluff, but I'm surprised you failed to see what it was done for.

In fact, if A50 is traitor, it makes perfect sense for him to do this if Salsa is main scum and didn't realize she was pushing her own traitor.

Is this allowed that the last scum and the traitor can give hints to each other in the day phase?

A50, why not target me, the claimed VT, who has a ton of suspicion on him?

@Almost50

...

[Salsabil Faria]

@MOD: In this game; if a Neapolitan visits the Traitor (and the Traitor is not recruited), do they get VT or No VT?

@Almost50

, the result of your visit is not just alignment, but the (exact) role?

[Salsabil Faria]

Oh, ok... thanks.

[Salsabil Faria]

Btw

Scipio1

, you didn't tell me why do you scumread

Something_Smart

?

[Salsabil Faria]

Ok, then. This is my final case: (No BS, no gimmicks I promise):

Salsa seemed to be the ONLY ONE who KNEW I was bluffing, and was dead certain there were only 2 TPRs and they both flipped:

Umm... after the nk1, it was/is almost cleared that the scum team didn't take any PR role for them (?), which means the town only had 2 PRs those are already dead. I don't even understand what role you claimed but nice try you know!

She has also expressed confusion about the Nea and how it works (and was confused about the setup mechanics in early game, which leads me to believe she's inexperienced).

Now ask yourselves why she unvotes me and votes No Elim when I am explicitly stating a guilty on her slot. She suspected me and voted me in her first post, but when I said I had a guilty on her she no longer suspects me???????

Even her latest question about my role:

@Almost50, the result of your visit is not just alignment, but the (exact) role?

doesn't make sense from a Town PoV. I am saying I have a GUILTY on her, she was resigned to the fact she got caught and went for the No Elim, but when she got confused she went back to questioning how it worked (thus showing BELIEF in my claim).

I RETRACT MY FAKE CLAIM. I AM A VT.

<<-- @Scipio

I was trying a last-ditch gambit to catch scum because we are going nowhere and seem to be drifting towards a town loss anyway.

Now someone does the math, see how it all works from their own PoV. My vote is on Salsa and won't move. You guys do what you think is best.

VOTE: Salsa

Scipio was correct.. why would I bait the NK as a Nea?

ALSO, reread my VOTE: 1194 and you'd see it was OBVIOUS I was a VT.

1- Scum already know how many TPRs are left alive. If 0

they know my claim is BS

, and if 1 they found their final NK target.

Why would I even say that if I was Nea? Wouldn't the later part have sufficed?

Scipio is Town because Scum have no incentive to throw shade on what they already know/think is a fake/true TPR claim. Either way "their job" is being done for them.

Same as above. Why consider "fake" at all if I was Nea?

Scum ALREADY KNEW IT WAS A BLUFF (AT least the main Scum did). so me going into the night with that fake claim would have been only detrimental to Town and not Scum.

Do you think Salsa is main scum or traitor?

Who the hell cares? We need to lim them both to win. Gun-to-my-head she's probably the main Scum because she seemed confident there were only 2 TPRs here, but it still could've been her guessing what that the main team picked no modifiers.

[Salsabil Faria]

roflolololololololol

a50 is scum

im VT

this is the fakest fake claim ive ever read in 20 years of playing mafiahahaahhahaahha

A50, why not target me, the claimed VT, who has a ton of suspicion on him?

(also; we are no-limming and a50 is targeting me here, yes?)

I'm not the only one who

caught

your bluff bruh!!

Btw, my

no-elimination vote

didn't mean that I start to townread you!!! I think no elimination today will help town more and except you, no one says anything against this yet. If we do no-elimination today, I'll go for you the next day. If we don't do no-elimination today, then I'll put my vote back on you again, don't worry.

[Salsabil Faria]

is that all you're gonna say, @salsa?

Nope, what do you want to know?

[Salsabil Faria]

was dead certain there were only 2 TPRs and they both flipped:

Umm... after the nk1, it was/is almost cleared that the scum team didn't take any PR role for them (?), which means the town only had 2 PRs those are already dead. I don't even understand what role you claimed but nice try you know!

But -as I said- I don't think Scum picked any modifiers, so this was me arguing theory. Do what you all think is best.

1. If I was

death certain

, I wouldn't put the (?) there.
2. You also think that scum didn't pick any PRs, then by

your definition

, you're a scum??

[Salsabil Faria]

Btw, my solve is:

Scum:

Almost50

Traitor: {

Scipio1, implosion

}

(mainly based on my gut + I townread the rest of 2.)

If I'm wrong, then the traitor is between

Something_Smart

and

PookytheMagicalBear

.

[Salsabil Faria]

Btw, my solve is:

Scum:

Almost50

Traitor: {

Scipio1, implosion

}

(mainly based on my gut + I townread the rest of 2.)

If I'm wrong, then the traitor is between

Something_Smart

and

PookytheMagicalBear

.

Perfect solve. Well, at least you did single3 me out as main Scum.

But let's play some more.. why do you think Scum!me did what I did today? Why claim a guilty on Pooky, then retract and say it's on you, and then retract again and claim VT; all when it looked like we're not eliminating anyway? And why would I ask for the No-Yeet to be put on hold until the mod responds when I could have asked and got my answer 9assuming I didn't do that earlier) in private. What exactly does Scum!me gain from all this??

A miselimination on me? You said I'm the inexperienced one, so to you, I'm the easy bait atm. You can't convince others for

PookytheMagicalBear

elimination rn, but you can get (or at least trying to get) 3 more votes to eliminate me. We are 6, if you can manage to get me today, and then another town on the night which leaves 4 players (2 towns and 2 mafias). As the result, the mafia wins.

[Salsabil Faria]

Cool. Now why did I retract my guilty on you too then??

I don't understand this 'guilty' thing. Guilty as a night result from your fake claim? Or it means scumreading? Whatever this is, you're underestimating me, I may have less experience in this setup but I'm not dumb.

[Salsabil Faria]

Also, you're setting a trap beside me. Town!you will not be this much blinded in this mylo situation. For some reason, either you think

implosion

(or maybe

Scipio1

) is the traitor, so I'm definitely the

confirmed miselimination

you're looking for (cause to eliminate

Something_Smart/PookytheMagicalBear

will be tough in this situation),

or(!)

, you maybe think I'll flip traitor, and the flip will give you towncred, you can survive longer.

[Salsabil Faria]

This doesn't answer my direct (and really simple- question. And claiming you don't understand what the "guilty" term means in a mafia game is laughable and is "overdoing it" to be honest, but I will play still:

Play with respect, it'll be good for you eventually
And no, I really didn't know the meaning of the 'guilty' term.

I said I was a Nea who got a NOT VANILLA result on you. THAT is a GUILTY result. You claim that I am trying to lim you because I think you're an easy lim (although I still fail to understand why Scum!me would voice out the fact you are inexperienced AND try to use this to get you "mislimmed" as you claim. Wouldn't it have been more convenient for me to not point out you were inexperienced?), but regardless.. if I was trying to get you "mislimmed" as "the easy target" then why did I come clean and retract my Nea claim (and thus the guilty I claimed on you) when the game would have ended tonight anyway if that was the case?

1. You're playing the WIFOM card, so your

retracted play

is giving you the scope to develop WIFOM strategy.
2. Your

claim

wasn't believable to everyone, not only to me (refer: 1261)

[Salsabil Faria]

Also, you're setting a trap beside me. Town!you will not be this much blinded in this mylo situation. For some reason, either you think

implosion

(or maybe

Scipio1

) is the traitor, so I'm definitely the

confirmed miselimination

you're looking for (cause to eliminate

Something_Smart/PookytheMagicalBear

will be tough in this situation),

or(!)

, you maybe think I'll flip traitor, and the flip will give you towncred, you can survive longer.

So, I think any of the 3 can be traitor and you think any of the 4 you mentioend earlier is the traitor, and you call this a solve. Right? You are basically not sure of anything. whether it be about your own reads or about mine. The only thing you seem to be precise about is that I am the other "main Scum', who -for some odd reason- decided to bus his partner (Artemiana) on D1, and THEN acted scummy enough to mislim a TPR on D2 and hammer a townie on D3 (basically throwing away ANY Town cred I might have garnered earlier), and -to top it all off- decided it was a good idea to fake claim, change my fake claim, and then come clean and retract my fake claims when the game was going in the NO LIM direction (not even my elimination. No. NO ELIMINATION).

Would you please sign on your statement up there??

WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM!
Btw, as a town, I can't be 100% sure about any alignment. About you, I'm 90% sure but there is still a chance (10%) that you're a tunneled town.
I'm like 70% (maybe 80%) that the traitor is between

Scipio1

and

implosion

. But there is again 30% (or 20%) chance that the traitor is between

Something_Smart

and

PookytheMagicalBear

. I don't see any problem being uncertain. If you want to twisting my words, you should do better I believe.

[Salsabil Faria]

ok the plot of this game is now too hard for me to write up because it's wandered outside the boundaries of the believable but I'm gonna try anyway

If you're a town, then I request you to not do any elimination today. Let's see what the scum will do on the night.

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsa, what makes you think that A50 is main scum, rather than traitor?

I way he is building his case against me + if the scum team didn't take any PR role, which means the traitor isn't recruited, and I have a feeling that the traitor is hiding purposely ( ) + gut feeling is saying he isn't the traitor.

[Salsabil Faria]

Well, because that seems like a rather weird opinion to have, and understanding why might shed some light on the veracity of it.

Why it is weird?

[Salsabil Faria]

i think it's pooky/salsa in some order

[Salsabil Faria]

wtf do you mean by "the traitor is hiding purposely" isn't that like... the point of the game???

I request you to read my posts twice if you're town!

Why it is weird?

It's weird because the traitor is the only one who knows the full scumteam so it makes sense that the traitor would try to push harder than the regular mafia since the traitor knows they aren't pushing on their partner.

Why do you think the traitor is hiding purposely? What does your gut say would be different if he were the traitor?

Okay.... this theory didn't occur to my head. I have to think again then, but it'll not change my read on

Almost50

, if he is the traitor then the scum is in {

Scipio1, implosion

} mostly.

[Salsabil Faria]

salsa why do you townread s_s and pooky

I'm sheeping

PookytheMagicalBear

here, also I played with them in another game where they were a town, their playstyle seems the same.

Something_Smart

's posts don't give me any scum/negative vibe yet, seems town to me.

[Salsabil Faria]

V/LA till 16th April due to health issue.

[Salsabil Faria]

salsa why do you townread s_s and pooky

I'm sheeping

PookytheMagicalBear

here, also I played with them in another game where they were a town, their playstyle seems the same.

Something_Smart

's posts don't give me any scum/negative vibe yet, seems town to me.

So you think s_s is town because he hasn’t done anything scummy? In that case what have implo and I done that’s scummy to you?

Well, your lack of

genuine

scum-hunting. While I go through your ISO, I'll find a bunch of questions but no follow-up later. The rest of your posts don't give me town vibes. Examples:

63, 65: bad reason to townread anyone fmpov.

215: didn't state any reason.

258: maybe you started to push

Artemiana

here but didn't continue and after that you voted

Minimegabyte/the worst

slot on 278.

289: again

subtle

push to

Artemiana

and again not strongly follow that later but continue to stuck with

Minimegabyte/the worst

slot on 290.

291, 333, 365, 423: bunch of questions which I don't know lead you where as you didn't share with the rest of us.

435, 491: switched to

Artemiana

without giving any reason/read why you thought she could be scum.

660: voted me without giving any reason.

662: questioned me for the sake of questioning, why didn't you engage with me or anyone in particular throughout the whole game??

716: don't know how to feel about this post yet.

743: as usual, didn't give any reason for this read either.

751: then why

implosion

was on your FOS pool?

928, 1136, 1142, 1154, 1157: in these posts, you

thought

implosion

and

Dunnstral

have a decent chance to flip scum(s) but yet, you didn't voted them. Especially, with the

Dunnstral

wagon, when some of us asking you why you didn't vote

Dunnstral

, your answers were not townie at all. Now that I'm thinking again, I feel you (scum) and

Almost50

(traitor) is the solve.

983, 1001: these 2 posts makes thinks about the possibility of

implosion

being town here. Though I'm sheeping

PookytheMagicalBear

in this game,

implosion

actually is in my null list. I'll go through his ISO later, my health condition isn't fully improved yet.

1004: shading

implosion

without giving proper reason.

1095: voted

Minimegabyte/the worst

slot, even if the slot claimed TPR (there was not cc and

Almost50

was leading this slot's wagon in the meantime) and as usual not personal pov was given.

1163, 1176: throughout the game, you didn't say anything about suspecting

Something_Smart

, even you said on 743 that you're hard mindmelding with him, then suddenly what happened that you started to suspect him before you moved your target over me?

In the rest of the posts, you're townreading

Almost50

and scumreading me for that.

I'll ISO diving on

implosion

later and hopefully, the mod'll still keep the thread open until then.

[Salsabil Faria]

PookyTheMagicalBear was killed Night 4. They were a

Spoiler:

Mafia Traitor

Wtf, did the scum make mistake or??

a50 is pretty much always town from that flip

Yeah, most probably.

salsa half your reasons against me make no sense and the other half aren't even scummy

and like also, why didn't you mention any of this until I asked??

I was sick, took V/LA, ring any bell?
Which half makes no sense and which half isn't even scummy?

[Salsabil Faria]

Btw, will we go for no-elimination again today?

[Salsabil Faria]

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

I want to see how you guys (town) save your a** now. GG.

[Salsabil Faria]

anyways salsa is at e-1, @salsa who is the last scum?

implosion

>

Something_Smart

>

Stupid50

> you

[Salsabil Faria]

asking "is arte scum" and "are you scum" to the two of you, in the same post

I have to go through

PookytheMagicalBear

's ISO, but if this post is the only post from their ISO indicates

traitor hint

, then I think

Something_Smart

is the scum.

[Salsabil Faria]

Calling you stupid was a out of line thing, I'm sorry about that. But fyi, I'm actually not interested to learn game from you, you're incapable of having 2nd thoughts, and I'm still learning by making mistake, so you'll be the last person I actually want to learn something from. And I know what I'm doing in Day 5, I have my own reason for that, I'll talk about that on post game .

[Salsabil Faria]

Fwiw, I'm not blaming anyone for my own game play. Stop twisting my words, thank you.

[Salsabil Faria]

Eliminate me

[Salsabil Faria]

@Mod, I hurt my right hand pretty badly by doing a household chores and I'm a right handed person which makes typing from the left hand very hard for me I want to take 24 hours V/LA to see if my hand is getting better durning this time. Sorry for the trouble again.

[Salsabil Faria]

UNVOTE: Salsabil Faria

[Salsabil Faria]

Good game guys, well played!

@Rock:

thank you so much for modding the game

@Pooky:

you break my heart

@Morning:

Thanks a lot for saving the game from my terrible bad play