Mini 2206 - Deja Vu: Perpetual MELO IV - END!

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Vote Count 1-8

Nachomamma8

(3): Venus Fly Trap, Infinity 324, notscience

SirCakez

(2): Leafeon and Glaceon, Nachomamma8

Disaster Cartel

(2): Salsabil Faria, Kismet

notscience

(1): The Bulge

Leafeon and Glaceon

(1): Disaster Cartel

Not_Mafia

(1): Not_Mafia

Not Voting

(2): SirCakez, Momrangal

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Deadline: April 26, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-04-25 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

Salsabil Farai is v/la until April 16
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[Disaster Cartel]

Mena what are your reads?

Tentatively

Notsci — town
Nacho

VFT — lean town
Infinity

BHL — null
Salsa
NM
Bulge

Kismet — lean scum
Cakez
Leafy/glacey

This is without ydra’s input tho, we’ll try to get a unified list up when she’s around later

-Mena

[Kismet]

Seems hella convenient that you’re sussing me when I’m like the only one who hasn’t been happy to rubberstamp you as town, kismet!

why is that convenient exactly? i don't expect everyone in the game to townread me (esp a game w/ 5 scum in it who ostensibly want to win)

[Kismet]

like is that really your argument? "shit i got that 10 out of 11 townreads (or somewhere in that vein), but fuck, DANGER ZONE, better play defense"

[Infinity 324]

This is a bad reason to townread a good scum player. Moods, and thus engagement, can change from day to day much less game to game.

It's a gut read anyway, so if you (or mena) want a better reason I thought the way lilith got frustrated with cakez for missing her post was towny for her.

I still doubt skitt's mood would do a 180 from divide an conquer just a few days ago, she was busy when that game started but still. You can't fake being actively excited to play mafia, and skitt is at least less likely to be excited as scum here than town

[Disaster Cartel]

Explain how (1) my post count is relevant here (2) my being hesitant on TRs is scummy (3) how my engagement with infinity, cakez, you, and vote on leafy/glacey is “N_M” theory talk and not sorting?

it's relevant from a signal/noise ratio - you're here often, but any time you're here i don't see a lot of analysis on anything but n_m and that worries me because it's a really easy thing to talk about because ultimately it boils down to a philosophy and not anything related to alignments this game
i never said being hesistant on TRs is scummy, i just don't see the process or many even attempts at conclusions yet

I’m not here often, I just post a lot when I am and making an issue of that when there were like 10 posts earlier of me /talking to my other head/ means that using that to try and argue that there’s a lot of noise to signal just... doesn’t really make sense? Have we played together before on your main?

the whole point of being slower this game is that I’m not firming up conclusions until I feel more strongly about things. That doesn’t mean I’m not forming reads and I have like no idea what u mean by “you can’t see the process”. Like what are you expecting me to be doing that would show my process for reading people? Just doesn’t make sense

-Mena

[Kismet]

Have we played together before on your main

barely and i was scum anyway

[Disaster Cartel]

like is that really your argument? "shit i got that 10 out of 11 townreads (or somewhere in that vein), but fuck, DANGER ZONE, better play defense"

It’s literally what I did in a scumgame the other day where I was UTR other than one person and decide to take them down because they were the only person with good reads

[Nachomamma8]

this would work a lot better if you just said what you mean to say instead of expressing incredulity at every turn

How else would you like me to approach you here?

In this case, you accused me of posturing. To me, posturing is taking a position without backing it up and I don't think I'm doing that with Cakez but there's not really a way to refute that other then urging you to read my previous posts.

You're saying I'm not trying to figure his alignment out. Great. I am trying to figure his alignment out - how am I supposed to show that to you? Are the reasons for him being scum unreasonable? Does my push on him fail to outline a scum agenda?

You're saying some people react with fangs to throw people off pushing them. Cool. How would you like me to defend that? You don't know me and I don't know you - I'm not inclined to explain history with a particular player and I'm not inclined to explain my emotional state or why I approach things the way I do because, again, you don't know me and I don't know you. If you said "ah, your anger here is unreasonable because Cakez did nothing wrong" then it'd be a different story, but it's not.

[notscience]

If it’s unwnd and not bell it’s not as strong a townreads for me

Also I don’t really understand why bussing is disincentivized in this setup? But I just love to bus I think. But without a doubt scum flips every phase and we are going to have associatives to work on

[Disaster Cartel]

Have we played together before on your main

barely and i was scum anyway

Unless this is a lie it’s not Bell

-Mena

[Kismet]

That doesn’t mean I’m not forming reads and I have like no idea what u mean by “you can’t see the process”

i mean i can't. before you posted that read list i had no idea how you felt about anything or how you were attempting to get there. it's why i tried to engage you about skitter - i liked the content in the p13-14 range and i wanted to see if you felt the same, but i feel like you're retreating into the safe place of just talking theory about why getting rid of n_m is good or bad and i that is worrying to me.

[Infinity 324]

It's certainly not bell. It's not unwnd either because I've played with them

[Nachomamma8]

If it’s unwnd and not bell it’s not as strong a townreads for me

Also I don’t really understand why bussing is disincentivized in this setup? But I just love to bus I think. But without a doubt scum flips every phase and we are going to have associatives to work on

It's not Bell.

[Kismet]

jesus noddy how many people in 2181 that were scum could i possibly be besides ffery who i'm obviously not, unwnd who i said i'm not, or.....

[Disaster Cartel]

Also I don’t really understand why bussing is disincentivized in this setup?

bc of the “lim a scumplayer after a townflip” thing. If u bus then yes you get cred, but you can bus a maximum of twice before you’re on the verge of losing, and then if you were like a main pusher of scum and you’re not dead for like 2 consecutive days that’s... very sus

-Mena

[Disaster Cartel]

Oh it’s bork

[Disaster Cartel]

That doesn’t mean I’m not forming reads and I have like no idea what u mean by “you can’t see the process”

i mean i can't. before you posted that read list i had no idea how you felt about anything or how you were attempting to get there. it's why i tried to engage you about skitter - i liked the content in the p13-14 range and i wanted to see if you felt the same, but i feel like you're retreating into the safe place of just talking theory about why getting rid of n_m is good or bad and i that is worrying to me.

I asked you what you meant by 13–14 and if you answered I didn’t see it

I’ll take a look but basically I’m not planning to try and read skitt this game, I’m planning to read lili, but I’m waiting for her to be online at the same time as me

Skitt herself is like... I normally townbin her D1 but I’m not doing so here because of the weird ratio. I feel like she’s not particularly playing to an agenda, although her defending NM has been twigging me slightly as has her lack of paranoia on me and early townlean

-Mena

[Kismet]

Oh it’s bork

yes.

and this is kismet:

Spoiler:

[Disaster Cartel]

Game aside, that cat is adorable

-Mena

[Nachomamma8]

That cat is adorable.

[notscience]

Oh if it’s Bork than holy fuxk it’s town

In my defense my eyes glaze over 2181 talk because I’m trying my best to move past it

[notscience]

Mena if you touch a hair on Borks head I will run you into the ground tia

[Kismet]

I asked you what you meant by 13–14 and if you answered I didn’t see it

i clarified that i meant 13-14 were pages

[Disaster Cartel]

My vote is staying on leafy/glacey until I see like, anything from beeboy but I’ll bear in mind what you’re saying

-Mena