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ICONIC YEET VOTE: iconeum

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ico i see ur online why lurk already

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ico appeared after i called him out

beetlejuice

scumconeum confirmed

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i am informed that i am town

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ico appeared after i called him out

beetlejuice

scumconeum confirmed

yes tunnel me please

do you want to get out of this game because you rolled scum?

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but nah i can freepost to my hearts desire

i am unironically getting bad vibes from this

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like, you *want* us to believe you're feeling chill

but you're actually dying inside

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ico i see ur online why lurk already

i think this comes from towntisi

why?

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dats you open with a vote on me, and are already zoned in?

you make me feel like you come in here with an agenda

i'm gonna need you to elaborate on the ~agenda~ part here

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i mean

you came into this *wanting* to push me
that much is obvious

question is, does scum!tisi have the balls to pressure me this early and i am Not Sure

hey, remember that time when you incorrectly scumread me because my rvs vote was someone *other* than you? (i mean i know the answer is no i'm bringing it up anyway)

anyway i think there's a clear difference in memeing around / "iconic day 1 yeet" vs post 29 which is an actual "hey this ico post gives me bad vibes tonally"

like saying i have an agenda to push you feels like you're taking the early on memes as a serious push and that's ??? not true?

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i've caught scum on page 3 before and whenever someone says that you can't read anyone's alignment for certain on day 1 i have a fucking stroke

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like saying i have an agenda to push you feels like you're taking the early on memes as a serious push and that's ??? not true?

i am in fact taking you here right now as being actually serious yes

29 was serious
5, 8, 13, 24 were not
you quoted all of them as "wow look datisi wanted to push me"
i'm expecting of you to know the difference

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gyp + geraint calling it

talk to me about gyp

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you're lucky you're funny, gera

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it's about 25% serious

gyp with the hard defence of that early claim for ?? reason, which already pinged me, and the townread on you during a 1v1 based on an easy reason

best i can do is "gyp and gera less likely to be s/s because i don't think gyp comes out with a defense on their partner immediately, and against such a weak attack" but honestly i'm bullshitting

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actually hmmmm

given the claim, there's a possibility for it being ico + gera

not really stuff i'd bank on, just higher odds

VOTE: gypyx

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VOTE: norwee

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i'm a tryhard?

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VOTE: norwee

why the switch?

the post i voted you for was tonally a disaster
your explanation explained why it could be a town tonal disaster

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its day 1, there is literally no reason to catch up until someone is eliminated

i am getting the urge to policy gera d1

and with n_m also on the playerlist, that's saying something

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VOTE: norwee

why the switch?

the post i voted you for was tonally a disaster
your explanation explained why it could be a town tonal disaster

hmm, think i see why

anything weird about norwee, or just random bleh?

his posts up to that point were all lifeless, posting for the sake of posting, no actual analysis/arguments etc

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jesus christ that is even worse

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like day 1 can very effectively be used to hunt and gather info, and someone sitting on the sidelines going "boohoo day 1 bad" is killing information and is making people wanna policy you

and going "ok, instead i will try to end day 1 as quickly as possible" is killing information to an even *bigger* degree and is much more worse and anti-town

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i don't feel this is coming from scum!geraint to be honest

just from terribletown!geraint

same, but bc i don't think scum!gera is a player who slaps down an informed townie claim first thing in the game

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i don't feel this is coming from scum!geraint to be honest

just from terribletown!geraint

same, but bc i don't think scum!gera is a player who slaps down an informed townie claim first thing in the game

could you imagine if i did?

if you did, it's etierh gonna be very obvious at some point, you're a scum master of playing the dumb/uninterested townie to your advantage and i am fine with both of those outcomes honestly

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etierh

either* lol

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and it even said "please" in all caps

man i get pissed off as a mod when players do that lol

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are you townreading me yet

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no

why not

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no

why not

you have done literally nothing outside of your known scumrange so far

do you think i should be townreading you here??

idk, probably not

though it's always more interesting to hear your ideas about my alignment than my own, hence i don't think of it as "have i done something outside of my scumrange yet", at least not early game

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what do you mean meme-shitpushing you isn't town-indicative

ok, why is me coming to the town!gera conclusion based on his claim townie, but you suspected gypyx for defending him for the same thing?

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we came to a town!geraint conclusion after more discussion

not quite true, i slotted him as town for it back then too, i just didn't wanna say so bc you were yelling at gypyx about it and i wanted to see where that went and/or didn't want you to yell at me

if your question is "well what did you get from it" the answer is not much
gypyx doesn't give me the "must murder immediately" vibes he gave me in pyp but very old meta, probably shouldn't base reads things around that one game, etc

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ackchyually let me pretend to do some serious analysis on posts from page 1-2

Spoiler:

hello all.
I'm fed up of always getting eliminated for my normal style of play (which is very "sit back and vote infrequently")

I said in my last game i am going to be different.

So, firstly this is the 8th post so far in the game so far.

And there is a Mafia one time Strongman in this game, i have been informed of this fact.

hello all.
I'm fed up of always getting eliminated for my normal style of play (which is very "sit back and vote infrequently")

I said in my last game i am going to be different.

So, firstly this is the 8th post so far in the game so far.

And there is a Mafia one time Strongman in this game, i have been informed of this fact.

why am i reading this like it's coming from mafia

not even joking

lots of informed in this game

/s

pedit : i think he planned to do this kind of stuff before receiving role PM, maybe that's why that sounds artifical?

(t'was @post 15)

so you are suggesting he'd come out claiming whatever role he got or?

so you are suggesting he'd come out claiming whatever role he got or?

hmmm, good point

it's up to gera to explain it anyways lol, just theorizing

^^ this is a weird sequence

(1) gera's intro says he's sick of being voted early, says he'll play differently this game
(2) gera then claims his informed in the same post
(3) ico says he's reading that post as scum
(4) gypyx defends him by saying that gera prob planned that pre-role pm so that's prob why it sounds weird
(5) ico replies "oh did he plan to claim early pre-role pm?"
(6) gypyx backs off with "good point"

now, this is an odd sequence because

when ico attacked and gypyx defended gera, it seemed to me like they were talking about (1), which is attacking/defending the "i'll play differently", which i mean, is valid grounds for suspicion, but also if it's really preplanned it's nai (like i can see both sides here)

now ico attacked gyp with "well do you think he was preplanning to roleclaim?" - and i'd expect gyp's reply to that would be "well no, but i'm not saying (2) was preplanned, i'm just saying (1) was preplanned and that that is nai"

and instead gyp backs off and agrees w ico - which cooooouuuld be scum avoiding heat or trying not to defend a townie in hopes there's a t/t fight in the making

VOTE: gypyx

discuss

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yeah, somewhere in the typing of 124 and 129 i realized i'm forcing the comparison for the sake of reading you
then i decided to go back and look for the differences that you were seeing
and idk here we are?

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ye, i'm just commenting how it was one of those moments where you're typing a post, then in the middle of typing it you go "wait, what the fuck am i even saying, this doesn't make sense"

although i am slightly concerned and/or offended that you think 131 is out my scumrange, but i'll roll with it (for now)

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@mod i have questions

Day 1 is up to 10 days long. Days 2+ are up to 7 days long.

Day ends in 13 days, 20 hours, 57 minutes

I mistyped that sorry did it while in hospital my bad

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if people want, i can go find the post i made in my last game where i said there i was fed up with everyone hating my normal playstyle.

is that seriously the only thing you got from 131?

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if people want, i can go find the post i made in my last game where i said there i was fed up with everyone hating my normal playstyle.

is that seriously the only thing you got from 131?

now ico attacked gyp with "well do you think he was preplanning to roleclaim?" - and i'd expect gyp's reply to that would be "well no, but i'm not saying (2) was preplanned, i'm just saying (1) was preplanned and that that is nai"

i was responding to this bit where people were discussing if i had any plans this game to do stuff before this game started. not the preplanned informed townie bit. i want to be as honest as possible and explain my actions, so was just trying to add in info.

my claim - i am happy having done it. i am 99% sure there will be some protective role in town who is happier knowing that scum has a strongman, and when eventually a mafia strongman is eliminated i will be confirmed.

unless i've planned with my scum partners to bus the strong man....

ok but that was not even the point of my post? do you agree that the sequence i laid out is suspicious for gypyx? do you disagree?

pedit: fucking hell ico chill

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uh, this is litterally what i replied though

what are you on

it's... not?

you replied "don't you think this is preplanned" in 18, arguing why it's nai/sounds weird. now granted, you could be referring to either (a) saying he'll play differently or (b) claiming the informed (or both i guess). i think it's fair to assume that you were referring to (a) (or both), because saying he preplanned to roleclaim without preplanning the "i'll play differently" would be a decently weird thought process.

so when ico called you out on "do you think he preplanned claiming his role?", i don't get how your response wasn't "i wasn't saying that, i was saying he preplanned the 'i'll play differently' part", but it was rather just omitting that altogether and agreeing with ico?

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idk if i'm getting my message across but there were two distinct things in gera's first post, and i understand giving up on one of them but i don't quite get giving up on the other

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iv why are you just naked voting me without interacting, are you not trying to sort my alignment?

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i can try to shut the fuck up for a while if it'll make the game easier to follow/play for other people
i use this site to procrastinate anyway, i should probably stop doing that

iv why are you just naked voting me without interacting, are you not trying to sort my alignment?

i thnk u might be scum this game datisi hehe

do you ever not think that

@norwee
your posts up to that point were a fairly obvious question, a "claim is townie" post, and a "wow ico post a lot" filler
like i think "lifeless" is a fair evaluation

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that's more like it!

who's your two townreads?

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i would love to know why you think datisi is town

but you don't have to tell it's ok, i don't plan on giving my datisi thoughts anytime soon soooo yea

i think you're trying to gauge my reaction to "read" me and see just how pissed off i get at this, and i'd appreciate if you didn't do that ¬_¬

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mildly.

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Datisi pissed off -town
Datisi not pissed off -scum?

this way around.

on second thought, i'm not sure if your meta of me aligns with this idea, but i do vaguely recall you saying you were townreading me for being pissed off or something in 2180 so.

also i will probably ignore all of gera's posts on d1 because they're almost verbatim things only heard in the newbie queue.

@luca i have interest in hearing about that vote

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202 is full of reasonable takes and i ~feel~ like i should have a more solid and/or ai conclusion there but i just don't.

@baltar, (1) why did you unvote, (2) without revoting anyone?

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george do you have reads

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wow did anyone see that George post just now?

i haven't seen anyone be town like that for years and years, George is the mayor of my city

how is that post townie?

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iv why do you keep posting useless shit

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ok that was slightly more rude than i wanted it to be sorry

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i feel bad now

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i'm not implying anything about your alignment, i'm asking a question

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actually i don't like that question anymore

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i'm gonna go now bye

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idk i saw the bottom of 230 and i thought "man there's no need for that post to exist why the fuck does that post exist"

it wasn't meant to imply anything alignment-wise it was just "why tho"

then i realized i shitpost too and who tf am i to be annoyed at other people shitposting then

so now i feel bad

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iv are you mad at me

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i want to point out, if your meta-level of my scumplay is smuggler's, you're gonna be locktown on me every single game because my god did i shit the bed in smuggler's

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i don't like being reminded that that game exists

tomorrow morning i will have to listen to ico give me shit about smuggler's

norwee what have you done

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considering you did stop posting for like 5 minutes after the links got posted, i am kinda interested what you thought of the isos?

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ok, good point.

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alice, any reason you're responding to that old gera post instead of anything that's happened since?

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honestly at this point i'm willing to drop it because obviously nobody other than ico even cares about the ~case~ and i could plausibly maybe see town!gypyx doing it so like what is even the point anymore

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VOTE: alice

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i'm not really familiar with the 3 slots you mention either

?

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ico's memory (or lackthereof) keeps surprising me

also friendly reminded that the TM event is still ongoing therefore the games are not yet legal to talk about, thank you

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i have two reads rn

geraint probtown
Datisi ??
everyone else null

oh boy i get my own tier, exciting
i assume there's no use in asking you about it?

okay i have a read on Luca but maybe don't really have an opinion on the wagon

pls gib

luca's reads are about what i'd expect of him right now, but i'd still like to hear some elaboration of his townread on me when he has time

ok actually reading those pages wasn't as useful as i had hoped
i need wooper and alice to appear and Do Things

pedit: beautiful timing

hi wooper!!

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i need wooper and alice to appear and Do Things

acually!!!! you can make my life a lot more easier!

what part/s of the last 14 pages made u go like "woah I need some wooper in my life right about now"?

the part where there were zero (0) wooper posts in the last 14 pages

a more ~serious~ answer would be that i can't get a more ~whole~ read on the game if there are people not playing, and considering n_m is on this playerlist that is gonna be difficult anyway, and the fact that two other people are doing that as well is gonna make my life even more difficult

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damn that informed townie claim

it would be so lovely to yeet gera

but i understand i can't *always* get my first choices in life

maybe i can settle for polisying n_m instead lel xD

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policying*
i need coffee

also would wanna point out i've lowkey given up on that case myself by now

gypyx is not exactly townie but i don't really trust myself to read him anymore

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holy fucking shit he was actually serious

i guess Y-3 is Y-1 in this game

if i don't get banned by the end of day 1 i will consider that a personal victory

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i regret being the person who made the "no usage of scripts during the game" rule to become part of the site-wide rules

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hey datisi would it be too early to ask whether you would consider doing a triangle?

i can consider doing a triangle
a lot of it is gonna be "lol idk yet" so it's not gonna be a *quality* triangle
but i can do one if you want

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anya can you please elaborate what about that post is town

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it's been a while since i've made a triangle this garbage but here you go:



ok so in the vague order of "would not yeet" to "would yeet":

geraintm

- i don't think scum!him does that claim. it's giving up ground. it's giving up ground for possibly fakeclaiming a power role later. if there's no actual 1-shot strongman, it's gonna become obvious sooner or later he's lying. if there is an actual 1-shot strongman, he's alerting the town, and losing the ability of potentially pushing a town protective after a failed kill. obviously, some scum *would* give up ground like this in order to use wifom and/or townreads for their advantage. but like... does gera strike you as a player to do that? i've never played with him, but i did skim some of his games at some point, i think i also backup modded some, and i think the answer is no. if he's scum, it's either gonna be painfully obvious down the line, or he suddenly became a scum mastermind of playing the wifom of an uninterested townie. and i'm fine with that.

norwee

- i've played with scum!norwee once, and while i think i've seen better scum!performances from him since, this just gives the vibe of town!norwee. like, his emotions seem genuine and he seems like he cares about this game and is trying to Do Things. i can't go much more into this other than ~gut~ and ~vibes~, but it is page 16.

ico

- idk lol feels like town!ico. the "mindmeld" on gypyx / calling me town for the "case" could've been fake but like. idk. i'm kinda weirded out by the fact that he had "no read" on the three norwee mentioned, but also? i don't know he can sit here for now.

iv

- i dooooon't like saying this read so early but i'm kinda vibing baltar's idea that he's constantly putting his foot in his mouth if he's scum and that scum!him wouldn't necesssarily do that. and like, having seen and played with scum!iv first-hand? yeah he probably wouldn't. note here that i will be able to be more confident on this read later on as scum!iv generally runs out of steam sooner or later and it's gonna show, but for now he can here.

wooper

- while i'm fully aware he can fake this, i kinda vibe asking me for a triangle. i don't really understand what's he saying about gypyx but it sounds townie. the idea of scum!wooper does scare me, but i haven't seen anything to make me do a double take, so he can go into the "kinda slightly townie but not much also a healthy dose of paranoia" part.

luca blight

- ok so. luca's reads, at least his townreads, are 100% what i'd expect of town!luca at this stage. is that because he's a townie who can read? is that because his role pm told him who's town? a biiit difficult to tell while he's out vacationing. i'm slapping a "townlean with a *heavy* dose of paranoia" on this, ask me later.

vp baltar

- i'm preceeding this with saying that i absolutely do not trust myself to read him correctly early game. his takes are? reasonable? is that a good metric for reading him? probably not. uhh, baby scum points for 300 because i feel like he shouldn't be dead null on me still? am i unjustified in thinking that my play in 2195 and here is already different enough for me to *not* be dead null here? i might be, i don't know how to read myself objectively. am i gonna go reread my early play in 2195 to try to figure that out? no. "slight scumlean but idk ask me again in some 40-60 pages" it is.

georgebailey

- this is also a ??? read because he's posted twice, what do you expect of me. slight scumlean bc there's some stuff i'd expected town!george to pick up / comment on that he didn't, but also i might be talking out of my ass here. (if you're wondering why he's not close to the

oh god oh fuck

point - idk. his slot feels chill. i feel like i have enough time to figure him out. maybe it's bc i'm beign naive for not fearing scum!bailey. who knows.)

gypyx

- ehh. no idea. i thought my "case" might have merit. then i thought of my last game w him, where i was genuinely scumreading town!him. even though i was scum. so i don't know. i will let the public know once i start thinking i know.

anya

- no clue how to read this one *at all*, however the fact that she keeps refusing to elaborate on george lands her in the right-hand portion of the triangle.

alice

- the fact that she's *online* and *reading* but no really offering anytihng isn't giving me good vibes. could she be town who's not yet read up? sure. but the fact that she keeps offering ~crumbs~ of ai opinions about players without doing anything...? yeah not great.

not_mafia

- lol

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the main takeaway is that half of my ~reads~ are "i need more time to confidently sort this person", and then there's the bottom 5 which are just different flavours of "???".

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i feel like he shouldn't be dead null on me still?

Why? You're gonna have to build trust with me after I went easy on you last game. Clearly the things I find town from your playstyle are fakeable, so I think I have every right to be skeptical of my ability there, yeah?

i explained why literally right after that sentence. my own feelings are that my game here is *already* different enough for you to pick up on it and/or at least not have me as dead null. this however comes with the caveat that i'm aware i am potentially being unfair here because, again, i cannot read myself objectively.

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I'm not sure why you're identifying flipping as scum indicative here and then backing down liek "oh I suppose I can't read Gypyx aha"

i amybe should respond to this

i don't know either. i didn't like it anymore. that's about as deep as that goes.

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so what's the reason for you shutting down luca's townread of me then? @vp obviously

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luca and i go way back

he once gave me shit because i wasn't obvtown to his standards on page 3

good times

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anyway i have been pocketed for the time being.

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no, by vp

luca has a bit more work to do for that

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I'm actually surprised you're placing Ico so high considering last time I saw you together, you got snowed pretty bad.

lol WHO got snowed? you mean that game where he didn't even post day 1, on day 2 i backed off of him because he was softing mason, i said if cakez flipped green that ico is scum, and then he panic killed *me* night 2, even though you were literal conftown? good one

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I'm actually surprised you're placing Ico so high considering last time I saw you together, you got snowed pretty bad.

lol WHO got snowed? you mean that game where he didn't even post day 1, on day 2 i backed off of him because he was softing mason, i said if cakez flipped green that ico is scum, and then he panic killed *me* night 2, even though you were literal conftown? good one

I mean, maybe I'm misremembering. I thought you were calling him town that game?

i was calling him town

because i thought he was softing mason with peta

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that's why i had said if cakez had flipped town that ico is scum, there wouldn't have been room for the masons aaaaaaaaaagh

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ok i'll stop being a salty fuck now, we have a scumteam to catch here

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though that reminds me, i haven't ever actually... *seen* scum!ico's early game? he has a habit of rolling town really really often (how many times i've had to play scum against him is just unfair) and the two games that he did roll scum against me, both games it so happened that the early game was a fast shitfest that he happened to miss due to irl. (and even the hydra game we rolled scum in, i was the only one posting for the first half of day 1.) i don't actually have a frame of reference for his early scumgame.

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Spoiler:

i am now lacking scumreads someone pls do something scummy thanks

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i think ive been misunderstanding the y axis of your triangle, im surprised NM is at the top and not the bottom with GB

like i thought top was "omg lot of stuff, very conflicted being pulled in multiple directions" and null was "bleh null no content"

it's not a scientific triange exactly

being higher on the y-axis can mean "i don't know how to read this person", can mean "i don't have enough information to read this person", however it can also mean "i am paranoid of this person being scum" or "i

really

don't want this person to be scum"

like i play on gut so the placements are also gut, you could argue there's no actual meaning at all to the y-axis and you wouldn't be wrong

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i think the best way to describe the y-axis is "the higher the person is, the more of a headache i get when trying to think about their alignment".

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same
i need all of gypyx/george/anya/alice/luca/wooper to actually Do More Things
arguably n_m too but i know that's a waste of time to spend asking

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the "same" was a response to 419 i just ignored the pedits

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the sooner this game gets filled with ai content, the sooner i'll be able to properly townspew

can't do that when half the game is a complete blur

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do you feel like you've been readable up to this point? can you give us a self analysis of the AIness of your play

i could bullshit something about being top poster and not sounding like i wanna blow my own braisn out every time i'm making a post, but is anyone really gonna believe me and/or care

like the "do you ever not post useless shit iv" (or however that went) right after you were posting useless shit and then feeling bad and apologizing immediately afterwards probably never comes from scumtisi because (1) scumtisi has the speed of internet explorer running on a toaster and would probably have to think for a bit whether that post would actually help further my scum!agenda to the point i probably wouldn't even get to post it (2) scumtisi is too big of a coward to be that rude to a townie (hurr durr toxic scumtheatre anyone?) (3) scumtisi does not feel remorse and probably wouldn't apologize afterwards

but i'm not a fool to think anyone is gonna care about this when i myself say it

and it's a question about how *true* these things are in the first place because i have no idea how i'd be playing as scum this game because i am not scum this game so it is what it is

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iv do you have any kind of reaction to 439

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thanks

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iv why are you so obsessed with me

like it feels like you're chill on everyone else but i have a feeling i'm sensing this insane pressure you're putting on yourself to read me correctly asap and like why are you doing this to yourself lol

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uh bc you're the most "here" and ive been able to read you in the past also i know you're dangerous as a townread scum

it partially scares me that people are slapping townreads on you

well good thing i'm town then

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anya can you PLEASE provide reasons for your reads i don't know how to read you

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oh i think i have a super secret read on Baltar too lol.

do you think baltar was trying to pocket me by beaing lowkey mean to me

that the vibe i got when rereading

but also i don't think that's necessary scum!indicative for him i remember getting that feeling in 2180 and i was wrong(?)

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beaing

why the fuck did i add an "a" there

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i'm not sober rn and i'm feeling kinda effort-y does anyone want my shitty opinions of things

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ok OK HEAR ME OUT

so I think I have every right to be skeptical of my ability there, yeah?

look at this part of the post
it's like
you're saying you're right
but you're also saying that you're sure you're right to think what you want
nd it's kinda implying i should've known better than to slap a scumlean on you for not townreading me
like
it's implying i shouldn't have done that
in a lowkey mean way
like not Actually mean way
but l o w k e y
like lowkey trying to get me to agree with you and agree that i was wrong

does any of tht make any sense my god i don't think it does

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like the yeah
and the question mark
i can hear it from the screen it was meant in a lowkeeey meeeaaaaaan waaaaaay

[Datisi]

i'm not sober rn and i'm feeling kinda effort-y does anyone want my shitty opinions of things

I'm avoiding my job duties rn (slip), let's go

dude idk i already said p much all i had to say earlier
do you require a Datisi Opinion on anything rn
(i'm going for a walk first might be like 15 minutes)

[Datisi]

GEORGE BAILEY READS

[Datisi]

like elaborate on all if you want but i want to talk about george fucking bailey with you, anya

[Datisi]

how fuxking dare you assume i wouldn't want tot tlk about george bailey anyway

[Datisi]

it's implying i shouldn't have done that
in a lowkey mean way
like not Actually mean way
but l o w k e y
like lowkey trying to get me to agree with you and agree that i was wrong

does any of tht make any sense my god i don't think it does

You've had too much to think, I'd say

i think too much yeah

[Datisi]

You've had too much to think, I'd say

also you're doing it again
you're making it as if my opinion is SILLY and NOT WORTH CONSIDERING so that i change my mind and not figure out what a fucking scumfuck you are

[Datisi]

did you play a scumgame against VPB recently? it seems like he might be referencing that in 380 or smthing?

yes, 2195, you linked it earlier lol

[Datisi]

Haha ok. I'm wizard of oz over here

s c u m f u c k

[Datisi]

the cold air of the night has sobered me up

i can't even shitpost about scumreading vp i just don't

what do i do with my life now

[Datisi]

i walked down to the beach

the moonlight on the water is really pretty

[Datisi]

also alice's vote is bad or smt

she had like 3 scumreads that she never elaborated upon? 3 townreads??? who knows what's on her mind really

[Datisi]

why did everyone go quiet did i say something wrong

[Datisi]

it was nice! it's lovely now before summer and a hoarde of tourists who hang out there 24/7

you'd think that the *checks notes* fucking pandemic would make it so there's less of them, but nope

also it's ok gypyx take care of yourself

ok i will stop posting useless garbage now lemme know if anyone needs me

[Datisi]

alice, do you have slightly more elaborate opinions on anyone other than innocentvillager

[Datisi]

that's not really "more elaborate". could you provide some reasoning to go with that? also, thoughts on gypyx/baltar still the same, or?

[Datisi]

VOTE: anya

(do not take this as a sign of me townreading alice's recent posts - I'm not - this is more of a precaution because i just imagined a scenario in my head where there were one or two more votes on alice, and gera/n_m acted like [redacted] and hammered that while i was asleep and she flipped tpr and i would like that to not happen ok thanks cool)

[Datisi]

i feel like he shouldn't be dead null on me still?

Why? You're gonna have to build trust with me after I went easy on you last game. Clearly the things I find town from your playstyle are fakeable, so I think I have every right to be skeptical of my ability there, yeah?

idk if it helps datisi but I feel veyr simialsrly to baltar abt u

i don't think you've ever played with scum!me in a serious game?

[Datisi]

vanity guess is 2-3 in [ico, George, Luca]

i don't like there being 2-3 in ico george luca

is there anything specific you find worrisome about ico?

[Datisi]

to clarify: "i don't like" = "i don't want there to be"

[Datisi]

@mod can we get a prod on georgebailey?

[Datisi]

i don't see any kind of reason for scum!tisi to put himself at odds with a partner this early for ?? reasons

where am i putting myself at odds w george? like, because i out him slightly to the right in the triangle?

[Datisi]

no? pretty sure i put multiple people below george on the "would not yeet to would yeet" scale?

[Datisi]

you do not possess the necessary knowledge to Understand The Triangle (also i wrote a semi wallpost underneath it come on)

"technically" my strongest scumread is alice (w hwavy quotation marks bc not much confidence yet in like 3/4ths of the game)
and my preferred yeet is n_m

[Datisi]

taht is functional y-1 can someone pls unvote

[Datisi]

you've never played scum w serious wloper either so by that tkoen how can u possibly have a read on me!!!

was this like a serious bit or not, i have a reply but i'm not sure if it's serious

[Datisi]

taht is functional y-1 can someone pls unvote

u seem scared

yes

any reason you're pointing out the obvious?

[Datisi]

"technically" my strongest scumread is alice (w hwavy quotation marks bc not much confidence yet in like 3/4ths of the game)

why are you scared of alice being 'technically' Y-1

because

i am far from certain she is scum

and the real possibility of someone else voting then those two hammering and then us losing a townie (who might even be a pr) in a day where still ~half the game is different flavours of null to me

and that can easily be avoided by Not having her on y-1

[Datisi]

VOTE: ico

i don't like these last two posts
you know damn well i get paranoid about early hammers as town
i don't like you trying to spin it like that

[Datisi]

why are you trying to spin that "overreaction" as scummy? like why are you quoting the post where i said i scumread alice along it

[Datisi]

if i don't get banned by the end of day 1 i will consider that a personal victory

[Datisi]

have you had a coffee yet?

having one right now, why

one could argue that town!tisi would be happy to see pressure on his technically strongest scumread, instead of being jumpy at alice being Y-3 (three)

but we both know that argument is utter bullshit?

because we both know towntisi values "security in knowing that this mostly-nonproductive day one won't get cut short by [redacted] hammering" over "hurr durr pressure on my sTrOnGesT sCuMrEaD who i have at like 4.1% above random of flipping scum in my mind right now"

what are you hoping to accomplish with this shade, ico?

[Datisi]

what are you hoping to accomplish with this shade, ico?

[Datisi]

*why* does that ping you

y-3 is basically y-1

this day has been very non-productive so far and ending it now would be horrible

am i scum here with town!alice who's pretending to give a shit if town!alice got hammered? bc i would much rather keep my mouth shut and hope town does an oopsie
am i scum here with scum!alice and am panicking bc oh no partner close to yeet? but i thought it's unlikely i bus early, no?

like what is pinging you here

[Datisi]

that's not really "more elaborate". could you provide some reasoning to go with that? also, thoughts on gypyx/baltar still the same, or?

@alice

[Datisi]

@mod i'm voting ico

[Datisi]

and the order of the votes on alice also seems wrong?

[Datisi]

y is her bein y-1 a bad thing if ur having trouble readin her tho

bc them being at y-1 isn't necessarily gonna make them magically more readable to me and i'm just gonna sweat about the possibility of a premature hammer the whole time

[Datisi]

@anyone else what cares, why is Norway town? quoting past posts is fine

like sure this is kind of reminiscent of town!Norway in my experience? but nothing he's done here feels out of his scumrange

when i saw this post i decided to open his iso and most of the recent posts are like lazy-ish one liners

which isn't *necessarily* scummy bc i'm feeling lazy right now too but like idek, he's slightly less town to me atm than he was yesterday

do you have any experience w scum!norwee?

[Datisi]

can iconeum even be

mis

yeeted this game?

[Datisi]

i think i've somehow talked myself into an ico/luca/norwee scumteam in the past 15 minutes

hopefully i'll talk myself out of it in the *next* 15 minutes

[Datisi]

or anything that helps you document your current mindset/reads changes

it's pretty fluid to the point i'm not even sure how to describe/document it - it's feelings of "huh, norwee might not be as townie as i previously thought" or "ico's poking around my 'hammer paranoia' feels slightly wrong" (and i'm genuinely not sure what force of the universe made me put luca's name in there, it just did) that i'm putting at the back of my mind to think about as they keep providing more content. it's moving their picture slightly upwards on the y-axis but in of itself it's not yet changing my scum-to-town-read on the slot.

"idk gaem weird". could be my weird/paranoia-y irl mood right now making me paranoid of things i shouldn't be. maybe i should go do something else.

[Datisi]

you can go back to ranting in the scum PT now

why are you so rude

[Datisi]

what made you change your read on baltar?

[Datisi]

did someone say townblocc?

[Datisi]

aaand i am already paranoia-scumreading you

that's a sign of a healthy townblocc!

pedit:

i meant the first line as a joke please stop making it a reality

[Datisi]

I’m pretty confident in all my townreads rn

why are you confident in your read of me?

[Datisi]

i will pretend 694 does not exist

why would you not want to elaborate on it?

[Datisi]

figured that was gonna be the answer

try to obvtown before the day ends, yeah?

[Datisi]

i've had a few games with Good Reads recently but traditionally towntisi is the obvtown village idiot who loses town the game in lylo, that game was a nice throwback

by nice throwback i mean i literally started daydrinking after that game ended but it is what it is

[Datisi]

yo gyp any thoughts on ico v datisi?

just the usual ico vs datisi stuff i guess

if you really need a read from it, maybe you're coming out of it very slightly townier? idk

can you elaborate on why you think ico is townier there?

[Datisi]

am i the only one who's getting the feeling that gypyx's tone feels awfully forced this game?

i'm not instantly scumbinning it because i've seen scum!gypyx and he's capable of not speaking in a way that seems this forced (and i don't exactly remember seeing such tone in his towngames either, though a bit more difficult to say from memory bc i was always scum in those) but i'm curious if anyone else is getting the same impression?

[Datisi]

ok 30 seconds of skimming though his iso later, it's not as forced as my brain lead me to believe while typing the prior post, but it maybe sorta is *there* (i should maybe check meta at some point but that will not be happening now), and i'm lacking a proper read on gypyx anyway so whatever, accepting any and all takes

[Datisi]

ico is drinking*

[Datisi]

am i the only one who's getting the feeling that gypyx's tone feels awfully forced this game?

i'm not instantly scumbinning it because i've seen scum!gypyx and he's capable of not speaking in a way that seems this forced (and i don't exactly remember seeing such tone in his towngames either, though a bit more difficult to say from memory bc i was always scum in those) but i'm curious if anyone else is getting the same impression?

I wouldn't say forced so much as lacking any real conviction about what is happening. Still processing how I'm reading that

i noticed that, but i don't think that's what i'm talking about? i meant tone. like the "well"s and "uhh"s and "you see"s feel like weird verbal tics that i don't remember seeing form gypyx before and i'm wondering if it's a result of *something* ai or if it's just an utterly nai thing i shouldn't spend this much time on

though i do agree seeing *actual conviction* from him would be nice?

[Datisi]

i will once again do zero (0) meta checks and will keep making claims about gypyx's posting style that just might be me talking out of my ass

[Datisi]

@baltar, opinon on luca? on his townblocc?

[Datisi]

objectively speaking, that post from george is a dumpster fire

but there is something in me saying to pause on murdering him for now, and i'm not quite sure what that is

Well, I think VP/Norwee/Gera are town.

why are these people here
why am i not here
what do you think of ico
what's making you unsure about iv

[Datisi]

objectively speaking, that post from george is a dumpster fire

but there is something in me saying to pause on murdering him for now, and i'm not quite sure what that is

Would be interested in more articulation here.

trust me, i would love to know how to do that

i'm rereading 731 and it's not good and if i were forced to come up with a defense, i wouldn't be able to. i don't know. maybe i'm intrigued by the hint of the tinfoil theory. maybe i wanna give george space because i know he's not a very big presence anyway. on a conscious level, i have nothing.

[Datisi]

i tried to do a metadive on alice and i skimmed through her iso of her one completed game and the only thing i got from it is that i really really do not know how to do second-hand meta

[Datisi]

i miss wooper i want wooper to come back and argue with me

[Datisi]

Datisi, do you agree with my townbloc?

I can’t remember if you answered this already

define "agree with the townblocc". it's basically the more-involved people minus ico. and sure, people in it are my currently stronger (not necessarily strong!) townreads, and i'm willing to give that alliance some time to see how things develop, but it'd be false to say i currently have more than superficial trust in that blocc. there's too little content and too many question marks in low posters.

[Datisi]

like, is scum all in the lower posters? is the whole scumteam within n_m/george/gypyx/ico/anya/alice? it's never the easy answer.

[Datisi]

is there a point to you calling me scum in the most uncreative ways, iv, other than you thinking it's funny?

[Datisi]

is there a point to you calling me scum in the most uncreative ways, iv, other than you thinking it's funny?

not even a little chuckle ? :/

i did the "exhaled a bit more air out of my nose"

[Datisi]

i didn't read shit but the last vc but wtf

UNVOTE: ico

[Datisi]

whyyyy can't you just fucking vote the person you think isn't town jesus christ

like this isn't even "i don't have reads" on day 1" you literally have reads why are you acting like the most anti-town fucker imaginable

[Datisi]

VOTE: george

i'm not sure there's a point in trying to make n_m to do anything, but i've recently had to sit through a few ted talks on why n_m should be policied asap and lowkey they weren't bad so maybe

[Datisi]

i think i'm currently more certain about anya being scum than george being scum but i'm fine pretending everything is fine for now.

don't ask "why were you voting ico then" idk it felt like the right thing to do.

pedit:...

[Datisi]

why is luca reading my mind, i don't like it

[Datisi]

i am also not sure what is anti-town about voting for someone 5 other people - including yourself - were voting for?

i don't know how you manage to consistently miss the point so hard but here we are

it's about pressure. it's about reading ico. getting more info on what his alignment is and what other people's alignments are. that is the point of voting here. when you go "hurr durr i am voting largest wagon to end d1 asap" you are doing the opposite. you are killing information that will be incredibly valuable later.

like how the fuck does this have to be explained outside of road to rome i don't know

[Datisi]

sigh

I miss the days when you’d bet your life on me being Town based on such mind-melding

me too luca, me too

[Datisi]

i didn't read shit but the last vc but wtf

UNVOTE: ico

Now that you've read, what is your take?

Have you played with Anya scum before? Her pile on and unbreakable town read on George feel slightly ... off. But I can't tell through the posting style.

The Ico wagon rose and fell very quickly, which suggests to me some kind of scum movement on one side of that. No clue which side.

fucking bold of you to assume i have takes

i haven't played with anya!scum before. i just don't like her posts and i feel like there's next to no content there. also she later said she didn't even townread george only to then jump onto his townread again and like idek.

do you usually make these sorta vague-y vca reads?

like i could say "oh there's probably scum involved somewhere on the ico wagon" but like that'd be a guess based purely on the number of people involved.

but yeah my fresh takes are none. ico was acting sorta weird around alice but can't tell shit when weekend v/la, anya keeps shitposting in a way i *really* don't like, alice is nothing but iioa and empty promises of content, george is barely even here (and i really really wanna say it's not necessarily scum!indicative for him to not post, esp when i *know* he's online, but i might actually have to run a check or two because at this point it's *really* getting on my nerves, at least partly bc i invited him to play), gypyx is still being ???, and n_m is n_m.

[Datisi]

are you trying to rush me?

[Datisi]

are you trying to rush me?

Just saying that "IDK" is less tenable position as the day goes on.

and i'm magically supposed to have an opinion now even though the players of interest have been v/la and/or are still refusing to provide readable content?

[Datisi]

are you trying to rush me?

Just saying that "IDK" is less tenable position as the day goes on.

That seems to be your position as well right now though?

why do you keep writing out the things i think before i do

[Datisi]

also apparently the only way to get gera to play the game is to push his SR's or something

VOTE: george

do you scumread george? what are your reads anyway?

[Datisi]

i wish the last page and a half hadn't happened, bc it lowkey sunk my read on literally everyone who's posted on them

[Datisi]

Why?

Can you explain that?

i mean like

- vp's posts here are pinging me on a gut level (which tbf has been wrong before) but like idk. asking for my opinion then going "

well you don't see *me* going how i can't read anyone

" and like i don't like the implication that i'm indecisive bc it kiiinda feels like it's saying i'm not participating properly (and as i type this out i realize it might be a slight stretch but fuck it i am typing it out anyway)

- wooper is defending gera? instead of contributing in ways that actually matter rn? and like i don't wanna attack shiptoasting but at some point we need some more seriousness from that slot bc i'm not quite sure what is going on there rn

- iv is like fine i guess idk.

- luca is fine except for 814 which for ??? reasons is making me not like it. idk it feels like talking down / asserting yourself in a sorta scummy "i'm right, you're wrong" way

- what the fuck is gypyx doing. he has no reads. it feels like he's posting for the sake of posting. (pedit: i see he's provided a readslist of some sort but that doesn't change my mind on his earlier posts being bad)

- norwee is also kinda ok and being norwee. i can't make up anything negative for him here.

like i am *aware* these things aren't necessarily scum!indicative but in this gamestate i'm getting bullshit pings from those things and it's annoying and i'm annoyed at not being able to figure this game out better by now??

[Datisi]

+0.5 Iconeum Datisi

could you provide an elaboration on this tier?

[Datisi]

considering you've played in and/or modded most of my recent scumgames, i'd have expected town!you to like. have more of an opinion there. maybe i'm being overly egoistical. who knows.

is there anything else on ico other than the one thing you said earlier?

[Datisi]

- norwee is also kinda ok and being norwee. i can't make up anything negative for him here.

Then why did you say

Ę̷̲͚̠̞̼̖͚͈̅̇͒̓͐̉̊̋̔͒͝͝͝V̵̨̦̫͋͛E̸̬̹̪͇̭̹̲̗̎̓̔̇̏̽͝R̷̢̢̪̝̙̙̲̗̣͙̘̯͙̞͂͋̿̕Ȳ̷͖̭̣̮̺͍̤̟̯̣̠̃O̶̎̅̈͛͒͗̍̒̆̂̈́̕͜͝N̵̜̗͕̼̗̤̼̞͚̳̪̣̾͒̈́́̓͋͛̋͆̽͗̆͂̎͜͜͝ͅE̸̢̡̛̠͖̗̤̯͔̦͔̲͚͙͋͆͋̈́̂̽̇̍̆̑͠͝

i didn't want your sorry ass to feel excluded, and this is the thanks i get?

[Datisi]

Btw Wooper, is you choosing to play as Wooper relating to you wanting to have a less serious playstyle than when you're playing as 'The Worst' or is that just my imagination?

this post is useless and brings nothing to the table

are you happy now?

[Datisi]

also i'm p sure george is now at 5 with neither gera nor n_m on wagon so it's time tooooooo... UNVOTE: george

boy oh boy can't wait for vp to call me scum based on wagon movement!!

[Datisi]

also i'm p sure george is now at 5 with neither gera nor n_m on wagon so it's time tooooooo... UNVOTE: george

boy oh boy can't wait for vp to call me scum based on wagon movement!!

Lol when did I call you scum. You're being a little cowardly and I don't get the point.

i was making a sorta joke on 800 and the wagons rising and falling indicating scum movement, when i'm arguably the person jumping around wagons the most.

i'm cowardly of what? ending the day prematurely when we have far too little to go off?

[Datisi]

i'm cowardly of what? ending the day prematurely when we have far too little to go off?

A bit yeah. I mean, you ostensibly believe in the wagons you're pushing to some degree. We've talked a bit about the likelihood of a quick hammer. I don't get the benefit of running many people up to Y-2 and then collapsing the wagons.

i mean i still feel like the likelihood of a quickhammer when Y-2, with neither of The Two voting, and given enough time, is 100%. and like. i'm not exactly pushing those wagons. i'm voting where i think my vote is useful at the moment. it just keeps happening that people follow me onto that vote, it turns into a Y-2, and then i'm forced to unvote because [the obvious].

[Datisi]

luca i hope you step on a lego

[Datisi]

VOTE: gypyx

beetlejuice?

[Datisi]

trying to figure out if it's quickhammer range every time there's a vote change like

[Datisi]

@mod can we get a prod on georgebailey?

[Datisi]

g y p y x

[Datisi]

arguing with gypyx here requires

truthfully

trash-talking my own scumgame and i don't think my fragile ego can handle that

[Datisi]

UNVOTE: gypyx

am going to bed
see y'all in like 8 hour
i hope to see a good amount of dragon when i come back

[Datisi]

i've done nothing but skimmed and i just wanna comment that 934 legitimately made me burst into laughter

ok content later

[Datisi]

ico, we still have a *few* things to talk about, can you chill with that for a second?

[Datisi]

bc like i am getting worse and worse vibes from you, just from skimming

i'm gonna read it properly in a bit but like

[Datisi]

ico, we still have a *few* things to talk about, can you chill with that for a second?

you can start by replying to my answer on your reads post i suppose

you know i have classes in the morning, i'm getting to it

[Datisi]

ok sad excuse of a wallpost gogogog

what's wrong with all of you george voters stop throwing

while i'm here: VOTE: anya

why does she have like *one* post with content this game? i'm genuinely starting to believe she's trying to hide behind shitposting

- iv is like fine i guess idk.

how

ur characterisation of my posting in this post made me skin crawl :/

i thought 808 and 809 from iv were fine posts and i don't see the issue with them

and like lol sorry? i have no clue what your reads are even supposed to be and i'm actively disliking the fact you're kinda fence-sitting on me and then you pop up with a random defense of gera, who nobody was even talking about at that time (edit: went back to check, and i see norwee did mention gera in one post on the previous page, so it wasn't *completely* off-topic, but the point how you had more important things to talk about still stands) and that's supposed to be #goodposting?

also i'm p sure george is now at 5 with neither gera nor n_m on wagon so it's time tooooooo... UNVOTE: george

boy oh boy can't wait for vp to call me scum based on wagon movement!!

y do u keep inviting when u have so many uncomfortable reads on peopel

because there being a wagon on them is not necessarily magically gonna make them more readable and i'm not ready for a hammer

datisi can you chime in please?

no

ok a thought: i feel like ico is giving a town-pass to wooper waaaaaay too easily? like idk off the top of my head but i have a feeling ico should know that wooper is like. not a bad scum player. how in the hecc is he getting so many townpasses here. i don't like it.

gut is telling me ico is scum that's tmi-ing wooper being town

but gut is also telling me wooper is scum bc his lolnullread on me makes absolutely no sense and i'd *really* expect wooper to know better and townread me no problem in this game

but but but gut is also telling me that luca is townreading me way too easily even though in a vacuum i would fully expect him to have a solid read on me by now

heaven fucking help me

re: ico's 944
- i'm calling out posts as i see them and i thought that post from luca was bad. no that doesn't mean that post never comes from town, or that it even affected my opinion about his alignment much. but i'm going to call it out.
- why does gypyx feel more like uninvested town than scum to you?
- "we're all over the place if we compare our reads and idk what that means" you mean like... every single game we play?? what are you implying it means??
- also what *are* your reads anyway*

yeah absolutely

VOTE: george

if this is scum, you can die next

i really don't like this vote
like
ughgghuh