MT 2203: Grand Idea Upick: Awakening [Endgame]

[Ircher]

Day 4 VC #4

Almost50 (1) - samantha97 (1559)

samantha97 (3) (E-2) - TemporalLich (1521), Almost50 (1563), Raya36 (1564), Guillotina (1569)

CaptainS (0) -
Not Voting (4) - Flea The Magician, CaptainS, mahimahi, KidAmn

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to execute a player.

Deadlines

This phase will end no later than Friday, April 23, 2021 8:30:00 PM EDT or in (expired on 2021-04-23 20:30:00).
This phase will end no earlier than Saturday, April 17, 2021 7:30:00 PM EDT or in (expired on 2021-04-17 19:30:00).

Moderator Notes

1: If you have regular weekend V/LA, please inform me each week.
2: As a reminder, please try to avoid multiposting in a row as that can clutter the thread and make it harder for people who are behind to catch up. Try to combine smaller posts into one larger post.
3: Please try to avoid using the L-word. Alternatives like eliminate, fade, launch, etc. are highly encouraged.
4: Guillotina's vote will still be tracked, but it doesn't officially count during this day phase due to the activity rules. This does not lower the execution threshold.
5: CaptainS is V/LA until the start of Monday, April 19, 2021.

Pronoun Key

1. mahimahi : They/Them
2. Flea the Magician : Fae/Faer (Preferred) or They/Them
3. Raya36 : She/Her
4. TemporalLich : He/Him
5. Guillotina : He/Him
6. Korina : They/Them (Preferred) or He/Him
7. Almost50 : He/Him
9. KidAmn : They/Them
11. samantha97 : Any/Any
12. CaptainS : Any/Any

[TemporalLich]

anyway we have to pick a poison

do we elim the conf town and allow guillo to blown up mahi

do we hope we are in multiball and wish for the scum to NK mahi

or do we pray for mahi to be benign 3P

if we pick 2 or 3, I am willing to vote Almost50 (deepwolf very likely) or CaptainS (lowest read that isn't mahi)

[Guillotina]

samantha is a passive roleblocker

Still stands, she could have submitted that role as her pick for scum, it makes sense you choose it as scum as it does not prevent factional kills.
I dont buy that garbage that she wanted to tone down the amount of kill power per night (which by the way it shouldnt be your decision to make), by now i would have killed both Mahi and CaptainS, and KidAmn, whom i targeted based on your scum read list last night.

[samantha97]

do we elim the conf town and allow guillo to blown up mahi

you're forgetting that guillotina can only do that if he isn't roleblocked/redirected/prevented by mahimahi's role, etc.

telegraphing something in this game is really wishful thinking

[samantha97]

also I don't think you can alter the alignment of roles when picking? that's not how I interpreted it anyway

[Guillotina]

do we elim the conf town and allow guillo to blown up mahi

you're forgetting that guillotina can only do that if he isn't roleblocked/redirected/prevented by mahimahi's role, etc.

telegraphing something in this game is really wishful thinking

Mahi's role is prince and I'm 99% confident he is a third party alien, so i will mot blowing up tonight, mafia will or they will lose to the alien.

[samantha97]

Mahi's role is prince and I'm 99% confident he is a third party alien, so i will mot blowing up tonight, mafia will or they will lose to the alien.

so you're voting out town to enact a halfbaked plan that you aren't even gonna do

this is really something lol

[TemporalLich]

guillo should probably use the assault rifle instead of the blown up to mitigate that if we are doing option 1

it is a 50% chance to strongman after all

pedit: I don't think so, but there are alignment-locked rerolls and shenanigans

if you are 99% confident that mahi is an alien (which is still groupscum but it can't be used for the groupscum pick) then Option 2 is likely a good option as we are 99% in multiball

ppedit: if guillo fakeclaimed town is losted

[TemporalLich]

wait a minute

the salt rifle might be able to bypass the whole naturalist thing

VOTE: Almost50

[Almost50]

wait a minute

the salt rifle might be able to bypass the whole naturalist thing

VOTE: Almost50

once a-fucking-gain you are ASSUMING rather than asking the mod.

@Mod: Hypothetically speaking, if someone had drawn the below quote role, would a STRONGMAN KILL bypass it or not?

Town Naturalist

While you are alive, any killing or reviving role will not function (excludes faction kills). Refund any X-Shot abilities (or equivalent) prevented by this role. Additionally, only 1 player may die per night. If 2 or more players would die, randomize which deaths exceeding 1 will be prevented. All applicable prevented abilities/kills are still considered 'visits'.

@Temporal: See how easy it is? You don't go "this

might

be the case" when you can simply ask the mod.

Answered by PM.
~Ircher

[Guillotina]

Reason i havent used that one is that it has a 50/50 chance of hitting the intended target or getting redirected to another random one including myself

[Guillotina]

also I don't think you can alter the alignment of roles when picking? that's not how I interpreted it anyway

Oh then i misunderstood cause that is what i did, i picked a town role as scum to fake claim and mess with everyone's heads but i got the explosive one for my town rand, little i knew someone was gonna roleblock me just by existing, i got outplayed since the beginning.

[Guillotina]

Actually, there is a possibility that there is actually more kill power and hence why im not dead already.

UNVOTE: Samantha

I still hate you

[Almost50]

Btw, mahi canNOT be "benign 3P" the way they role fished from the get go. Why would Benign 3P fake claim Town Guesser?? And why would they hold off true claiming and let us waste 2 eliminations on them? By default, a Benign 3P is not a threat to scum, so they wouldn't have been shot by Scum anyway (if they had claimed that), and we would not have missed 2 eliminations either.

[Guillotina]

Btw, mahi canNOT be "benign 3P" the way they role fished from the get go. Why would Benign 3P fake claim Town Guesser?? And why would they hold off true claiming and let us waste 2 eliminations on them? By default, a Benign 3P is not a threat to scum, so they wouldn't have been shot by Scum anyway (if they had claimed that), and we would not have missed 2 eliminations either.

Actually if Samantha's claim is true and there was more parties with factional kill besides mafia, there is no way they don't kill me, so, there is no more 3ps that can kill.
Samantha is only roleblocking my kill power, town's chance to kill scum at night.

Mahi is an Alien (3p), i dont know if they are benign or not, but if scum hope to win, they will have to kill Mahi, so happy alien hunting scum, while i hunt you.

VOTE: Samantha

Oh by the way, Samantha didnt prevent two deaths, she prevented three already.

[Almost50]

OK, so I was instructed that hypothetical queries should be sent by PM, and the answer is if it's a killing ability, and it's NOT FACTIONAL (which is the case here) then it will be blocked.

[samantha97]

Actually if Samantha's claim is true and there was more parties with factional kill besides mafia, there is no way they don't kill me, so, there is no more 3ps that can kill.

it's not up to them who dies

[samantha97]

I'd like to think there's a mafia team out there upset @ at the vfp and vaxkiller kills

[Raya36]

What do you mean it's not up to them?

[Almost50]

My suspicion now is drifting towards TL. First iff, his "benign 3P" proposition is scummy enough it could be seen as a link to mahi from my PoV. ALSO, him promoting this "Alien" thing is scummy AF. I did search for "Prince" and I got a few results, and one was 8261. Now how did he miss that?

Finally, "A50 is most likely the deepwolf" with no explanation or case doesn't even make sense to me, and it feels more like "I suspect A50 has pocked something tricky at night, so I'd rather lim him by day".

[Guillotina]

Actually if Samantha's claim is true and there was more parties with factional kill besides mafia, there is no way they don't kill me, so, there is no more 3ps that can kill.

it's not up to them who dies

Do you understand that your alleged role does not block factional kills?

The way i see it, you are either scum or a negative utility townie who should have claimed your role at day start.

Either way the best course of action is to yeet you or i use my rifle shot on you tonight.

Pecit: If you are town, Mafia is delighted with your naturalist role. The best townie ally they could have ever hoped for. Free of charge.

[samantha97]

I mean even if there was an entity or group that factional killed guillotina there is no guarantee it'd go through

Do you understand that your alleged role does not block factional kills? .

yes it does

and while I'm here I'd like to remind you all that we have 9 players alive with only 4 of them guaranteed to be town

is tossing a town number away really playing to a town win condition?

Spoiler:

no

[Almost50]

I'd like to think there's a mafia team out there upset @ at the vfp and vaxkiller kills

And I'd like to think that if we have 2 killing scum teams that BOTH would have some brains on them. Like, if I was scum and

knew

there were not one and not 2, but THREE other killers out there I still would not have shot Vax after he had used up his 2-shots over a claimed killer like guillotina. NOBODY shoots Vax AFTER he had used up his shots without a GOD DAMN GOOD REASON.

[Guillotina]

I mean even if there was an entity or group that factional killed guillotina there is no guarantee it'd go through

Do you understand that your alleged role does not block factional kills? .

yes it does

and while I'm here I'd like to remind you all that we have 9 players alive with only 4 of them guaranteed to be town

is tossing a town number away really playing to a town win condition?

Spoiler:

no

Town Naturalist

While you are alive, any killing or reviving role will not function

(excludes faction kills)

.

Refund any X-Shot abilities (or equivalent) prevented by this role. Additionally, only 1 player may die per night. If 2 or more players would die, randomize which deaths exceeding 1 will be prevented. All applicable prevented abilities/kills are still considered 'visits'.

[samantha97]

now read the other text