MT 2203: Grand Idea Upick: Awakening [Endgame]

[Guillotina]

I am getting people pleaser vibes guill, you know that aint a good vibe :/ Like its you, this is fully you, but I dunno if its AI or not.

Yes, im people pleasing. What are you gonna do about it?

[samantha97]

Now my second issue is do we think scum actually want mahi gone as much as we do? Because if we do then we can leave sam and let scum take care of mahi. But if we end up needing to elim mahi for our wincon and we lose Guillo and leave sam then we have no way to kill them (assuming no other vig type roles).

if they are a prince then they only have 1 kill maximum

even if it was a 1v1v1 at best they could tie (alien)

[Raya36]

So you're saying it's best we elim you and let Guillo shoot mahi?

[Flea The Magician]

Guillo is town Flea

Yeah I know. Still gunna poke though

He'd be disappointed if I didn't

[Flea The Magician]

Honestly I'm torn on it, Sams thing actually empowers me...

[samantha97]

So you're saying it's best we elim you and let Guillo shoot mahi?

I'm saying they're irrelevant if they're a prince

[Raya36]

There's no way killing them is part of our wincon if they're a prince?

[samantha97]

nono I'm saying even if killing them is part of our wincon they can't win to begin with

at worst we'll tie with them/mafia will tie with them

[samantha97]

well nm mafia can't tie with them

the point is just that aliens can't chain nk so they don't auto win with parity I think?

[Raya36]

Ok, I get you now

[TemporalLich]

Aliens will win all ties though

[samantha97]

ic

[samantha97]

well we can just make sure 2 town make it to final 3 ez

[Raya36]

Or scum can just eliminate mahi to avoid losing in a tie situation

[Raya36]

That would be a such a shame

[Raya36]

Playing the whole game only to lose in a tie with mahi who you could've just eliminated

[Guillotina]

Benefits Of Keeping Samantha Alive

1) If you are scum, you are guaranteed that you won't die to a town vigilante.
2) If you are scum, you are guaranteed that your factional kill will go through.
3) If you are scum, it's guaranteed that you will be able to kill Guillotina without risk of blowback because well, he cannot even attempt to missile himself to catch you. Then you can kill Samantha off after you kill Guillotina to unleash all the fury on town (all the potential factional kills that Samantha has been blocking but one).
4) If you are a third party, look above, change scum for third party and voila!
5) If you are both scum and third party you can both target the town's vigilante to make sure he dies!

Benefits of killing Samantha

1) All the benefits of keeping Samantha alive goes to shit.
2) Scum will think it twice before trying to kill Guillo because he is crazy and has no problem attempting a suicide missile to take down all of his attackers!
3) We'll be able to find out if there are more than one factional night kill in the game.
4) Mahi dies and their trolling during the entire game goes unrewarded.
5) The deepwolf who thinks they got Guillotina fooled will die too.

Vote Samantha if you are town.
Do not vote Samantha if you are scum, we'll chop you later.

[Raya36]

Benefits of keeping also include we don't lose a conftown when our numbers are already low

[samantha97]

Benefits Of Keeping Samantha Alive

2) If you are scum, you are guaranteed that your factional kill will go through.

factually wrong

[Guillotina]

Also @Temporal Lich, would you mind targeting CaptainS and Samantha to confirm your role?

Is not like I don't trust you or Vaxkiller clear but he could have been redirected to another target on Night 2 and got a result from another target, unlikely I know but... just to make sure.

[Guillotina]

Benefits of keeping also include we don't lose a conftown when our numbers are already low

And town loses their kill power in exchange.

So let's pretend Samantha is town. You are willing to keep the town vigilante permablocked if not dead tonight, to keep her around.

Good thinking there Raya.

[Raya36]

We still have our elimination. And honestly with our kill power we probably would have killed at least a towny by now too.

[Almost50]

I switched to A50 after some strategic consideration, mostly guillo has an ability that could bypass the need for eliminating the conftown blolerocker

This has already been debunked by the mod's answer. It's still a

killing role

, and

not a factional kill

, so it's blocked by default.

samantha needs to get eliminated today

.

Also, from my PoV (and i hold no one to my own line of thoughts) when I pick a role I do it with 2 basic things in mind:

1- I have a good fake claim to cover up for it (if I'm scum)
2- I help my faction (general statement that applies to town/scum/alien/cult or whatever said faction may be)

It is evident that if samantha is Town she picked a role that I would have never picked for myself (it's a Town role alright, but it's a -ve utility; especially when I know some Town are most likely to pick killing roles, and samantha's role totally blocks these). If she is not Town; then there are over 10K roles out there and I am not going to go through them all (speaking for myself) to find an explanation for what's been going on.

Finally (this part is self-meta, so skip if you don't believe in that): My most recent meta is I am apathetic and outright lurking when I draw scum. This happens to be my most recent scum game (I replaced into a scum slot). Check it out if you have the time and will.

Disclaimer: I so not promise to adhere to that meta in the future. There was a time when I was a tryhard as scum and O think I need to get back to that. It's just that I am not mentally prepared to do all the tricks and play acrobats like I used to.

[Guillotina]

We still have our elimination. And honestly with our kill power we probably would have killed at least a towny by now too.

Yah and we’ve gotten info too out that too.

Whom of my claim targets do you think is town? Why?

Im talking about CaptainS and KidAmn specifically

[Almost50]

I -personally- believe KidAmn is Town. It's not a mechanical read (neither is it mod-confirmed to me nor is it by virtue of a confirmed claim.. etc), but all of his posts, stances and his thought process appear to be coming form the same perspective I'm coming from.

As a matter of fact -and as it stands right this minute- my only 2 suspects are mahi (out of the question for the lim) and CaptainS.

However; as I repeatedly mentioned, we need to yeet smamantha (whom I think is more likely a townie who decided to pick a role that is extremely anti-town) today and let the night action(s) resolve the other 2.

Oh, and before I forget: I would still target mahi if I was you. This is because if I was scum here I would probably NIT shoot him anyway until it's closer to end game. The trick is to keep a "distraction" alive long enough for town to panic. Just imagine how it would be if you got killed tonight and then we yeeted scum tomorrow. We'd -most likely- be cornered because we need scum to shoot mahi. and thus can't realistically yeet the last scumster until they've done our job for us, which then makes it possible for scum and aliens (assuming mahi is indeed one) to get a joint win or force the town into a kingmaker situation.