Open 809: Charge Me Up! [Over]

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VOTE: art

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My early game specialty is analyzing first votes, my methods only work when there are no pluralities

I guess plurality on MS terms is Wagon

your specialty is analyzing first votes but only when there are no wagons?

what

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But I also really don't like VFP immediately taking Flow Trap's word that they were confirmed town - joking or not, still unclear but kind of irrelevant to me after they dodged the question the first time tbh

what don't you like about it

what's irrelevant and why does that matter

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VOTE: yes

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for whatever he's doing with Dragons

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its a brain age exercise

sums me up, tbh

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having never played this setup before, and so not sure of the exact contours of the rule, i would be careful about talking about where this might be going given the no-n0-talk rule.

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is that humor or a drought

[Green Crayons]

VOTE: yes

for whatever he's doing with Dragons

What about it, can you explain?

sure

it looks like trying to create suspicions over things that are not suspicious or even ai

that it's done to help support/protect DMG also pings

Spoiler: posts

how serious is that vote ^

this is a pretty weird post to drop then just leave

it's weird that i have a life outside of mafiascum?

Well, it sounded like you were trying to initiate convo by phrasing it as an inquiry, and then left them hanging

asking a question and then leaving the site to do ~life stuff~ isn't leaving anyone hanging

merely asking a question

ok but it looked like a serious question, to which she gave a serious answer. So I find it odd you chose to respond to her the way you did instead of just responding to her answer

how is this odd much less ai

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I don't like it because Flow trap is definitely not confirmed town, so anyone taking their word for it is bad. That does not really seem like a scum thing to do, so I am not scum reading them for it, but I am pointing out that I don't like it lol

weird. i assume when people say "oh i don't like that player did x" that means they think it's suspicious.

are the other things you point out as not liking also you saying you think that it is just non-ai bad play? or just this one instance.

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Dk probably town, but if they're scum then lukewarm is definitely scum

wat

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I think the setup is 3 scum 11 town, thats all

is this the first time this setup has been played on the site?

if not, i'm sure someone who is in the pl has an encyclopedia brain and/or played it before to let us know if there has ever been a deviation of total scum/non-town roles

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no there isn't - alignment was randed before we even got roles - setup explicitly says this.

perhaps we're using different vocabulary because i don't know what this is. i'm asking if prior runs of this game have different amounts of non-town slots, or has it always been the same ratio.

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well, I found it odd how STD (...dragons? save?) chose to explain the reason for his lack of followup instead of just following up on dark magician, cause that seemed a bit too self-conscious for a townie

hm.

VOTE: DMG

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Why claim when you can just die?

I guess that works too

VOTE: Lukewarm

This thread is

wild

. The overall tone is way different then what I am used to lol

I don't like it, because even if it is a town player doing it, it makes it harder for town to win.

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But their last post has changed that view a bit for me. Moving them to the "leaning town" category

disagree. it reminds me of when i'm scum and it's hard to come up with bs suspicions, so i make a unoffensive observation post

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no you didn’t

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lukewarm feels like they're just going through the motions

I don't really know why my partner is town reading them. Or DK for that matter.

I can barely tell when VFP is joking but I think their general demeanor is pretty towny. They feel detached from the thread in a way that makes me think they're just trying to solve and not interested in the rest

I wanna town read flea just cause I like faem but they need to give some more reads they have good tone at least

STDs nickname is pretty funny but every time I read their posts I just go what is this

don't particularly care to comment on anything else atm

none of this is “this player is scum”

and it’s all wiggle room

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The VFP block doesn't need explaining, just trusted.

I'm trying to convince you all that I'm town so the VFP block actually works.

Of course it does.
As I said, follow me and the game is a win.

If I'm wrong, give me 6 more shots to be right. If I'm still wrong, then we can review where I was wrong and why.

You know what, you have managed to sell me on the power of the VFP block. So who are we for voting for, boss?

And if you are going to say we should vote for me, I have good news, because that is already where my vote is !!

VOTE: lukewarm

[Green Crayons]

just super scummy vibes from that post

also happy with DMG, who I also think is scum for reasons stated + soft attempt at pocketing yes

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in case my post above wasn't obvious enough, Green, that's me calling you mafia

lol

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so now that we have progressed a little - how do people feel about no limming so PRs can do their thing and investigatives can potentially give us some juicy info?

no thank you

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so we give up an elim for the benefit of presumably not mis-elim a pr that might provide n1 info (or, really, outing that pr under presumption we don't mis-elim after claim and having it potentially nk'd n1)

i mean, there's a lot of ifs and buts in that scenario, but two assumptions that come to mind that undermine the usefulness of the plan is that 1) the PL actually picked a bunch of different, useful prs and not just a handful and 2) town got the n1-info-revealing prs rather than scum.

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two assumptions that come to mind that undermine the usefulness of the plan

more accurately phrased:

two assumptions that i don't think have a basis to be made, but the likelihood of the plan's usefulness seem to hinge on

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VOTE: dmg

[Green Crayons]

just super scummy vibes from that post

also happy with DMG, who I also think is scum for reasons stated + soft attempt at pocketing yes

Please restate for the record.

dmg + dragons were doing their early d1 thing, and yes came in on dmg's side

i voted yes for his input into the dmg + dragons convo

later on when yes & I were talking through my yes vote, dmg votes me without a reason

looks like dmg beginning to pocket after yes already appeared favorable to dmg's slot

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in case my post above wasn't obvious enough, Green, that's me calling you mafia

lol

That all?

idk what this prompt is ("that all?")

but lol at dmg's clear misrep of my vote

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just super scummy vibes from that post

also happy with DMG, who I also think is scum for reasons stated + soft attempt at pocketing yes

Please restate for the record.

dmg + dragons were doing their early d1 thing, and yes came in on dmg's side

i voted yes for his input into the dmg + dragons convo

later on when yes & I were talking through my yes vote, dmg votes me without a reason

looks like dmg beginning to pocket after yes already appeared favorable to dmg's slot

oh that wasn't the restatement

here is the restatement

But their last post has changed that view a bit for me. Moving them to the "leaning town" category

disagree. it reminds me of when i'm scum and it's hard to come up with bs suspicions, so i make a unoffensive observation post

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does jv always have a hair-trigger about how other people categorize/view their play?

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or, like, more generally. the blow up feels forced but idk if this is just how jv exists.

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495 is impossible to easily respond to, please separate out your points/lines of conversation with separate posts

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or, like, more generally. the blow up feels forced but idk if this is just how jv exists.

Forced or not, its NAI.

disagree

i used a similar "get exasperated and super defensive" response to koba's suspicions as scum

if jv doesn't usually act this way, then what's the reason here?

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my eyes just fell out of their head

[Green Crayons]

Were your eyes in someone else's head or something?

my eyes just fell out of their head

Your eyes have their own head?

???

doesn't everyone loan out their eyes?

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Also I fucking can't stand them as a person so there's that.

ty

now this is nai

[Green Crayons]

Koba if mini is town who are you voting?