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[NorwegianboyEE]

Stating that i have a job is not a bullshit response in any world mate.

[Datisi]

can i have one solid townread, please, that's all i ask

[innocentvillager]

GB you've played with scum!me twice and never with town!me (well, this is the first time i guess ). both times i was kind of in your town tier, but you were also kind of low-ish activity in both games. how is that factoring into your read of me this game?

[Datisi]

this game is one of the few times i am able to unironically say that i wouldn't cry about yeeting *any* of of you and my god is it fucking with my game

[Datisi]

Datisi, if we are going to policy, I'd prefer NM. Am I wrong? Like I get the GB hate, but that's my issue a bit...everyone is hating on him for the same reason about not posting/shit posting.

When scum gets accused of that, a yeet there is never that easy. Case in point: me trying to get scum!Dunn yeeted D1 in our last game. It was such an uphill climb and I couldn't get it through ever.

i was gonna give a funney reply of "what, you mean the same dunn that both me and green were trying our best to bus for like 80% of the game?" because i remember both of us sitting on that wagon for *a while* on day 1, but i'm not sure exactly how fair that is and i do not feel like going back to that clusterfuck to check.

george is currently... third? on my shitlist i think?

but ok. i *hate* arguments like "there is a wagon there therefore it's town" so let's dig deeper. whose votes on george are making you think it's a townie being shitwagoned? or is it just the ~feeling~ of ~no resistance~?

[Datisi]

also to actually answer your question, yes i would much rather policy n_m than i would policy george.

though i am also kinda ??? about you being the person to recommend that because... i dunno, doesn't fit my mental model of you, though what do i know. didn't you play a game w n_m and you two both lived to lylo? like that's making me think there weren't calls to policy him there but i didn't actually read that game and where was i even going with this

[Datisi]

i was gonna give a funney reply of "what, you mean the same dunn that both me and green were trying our best to bus for like 80% of the game?" because i remember both of us sitting on that wagon for *a while* on day 1, but i'm not sure exactly how fair that is and i do not feel like going back to that clusterfuck to check.

i lied i went back to check and i'm gonna report my findings to that me waking up my trauma wasn't for nothing

i scrolled through d1 mod iso. there was only one recorded wagon on dunnstral, it was started on ~page 10 by you, joined by one townie, and then joined by both me and green (and then later on by battle mage for like 5 minutes). me and green were the last two to unvote dunn.

now, there were sparks of dunn vote close to eod (which tbf other scum did distract from asap and yes they did give me slight panic attacks) but i don't think that's what you're talking about here, as the george wagon feels more comparable to the earlier dunn wagon, as i don't get the feeling we're deadline rushing here. so like. i'm gonna need a bit more arguments here than "dunn was hard to yeet and he was scum, george easy to yeet therefore he's town" because scum were doing the opposite of protecting dunn there.

[Datisi]

i'm gonna report my findings so* that me waking up my trauma wasn't for nothing

ebwop

also it might be stupid writing out that whole post why i don't think that way of townreading george is Good when i'm about to say "ackhcually i don't wanna vote goerge out anyway" but idk. like. george's posts are bad? yeah they're bad. i agree. like. "gut. scum would push on lhf. scum doesn't get angry." which is all like. idk it sounds like quotes from a "how to appear to be scumhunting" textbook but i cannot stop feeling ~something~ about george's posts that's making me not wanna murder him immediately. like it's not even a townread it's a "give him time" read and i don't get it. maybe i'm pocketed by his avatar who knows.

[Datisi]

also i should prob wait for george to get back to me with those answers but asdfdkjsg

Also fuck you That's my personal tinfoil hat!!! Luca is one of those players where I have a nasty habits of townreading too quickly... same with ISIS... And that bit me hard that one time ISIS was scum.

this is also probably a town rxn

is it bad that my initial gut rxn to what you quoted was like. the exact opposite. idk.

[Datisi]

also if anyone is about to ask "but dayteezee (this is not the correct pronunciation btw, no matter what george tries to tell you) you just said george is third on your shitlist how are you now saying you don't wanna kill him" the answer is shut the fuck up

[Datisi]

baltar what is your opinion on anya again

what do you think about a wagon there

[VP Baltar]

now, there were sparks of dunn vote close to eod (which tbf other scum did distract from asap and yes they did give me slight panic attacks) but i don't think that's what you're talking about here, as the george wagon feels more comparable to the earlier dunn wagon, as i don't get the feeling we're deadline rushing here. so like. i'm gonna need a bit more arguments here than "dunn was hard to yeet and he was scum, george easy to yeet therefore he's town" because scum were doing the opposite of protecting dunn there.

Just because you guys hopped on that wagon doesn't mean you were pushing it. I mean, I'm not trying to get into a rehash of that game, but you can't honestly tell me you were trying to hard bus Dunn on D1. Sheeping me and then hopping off when you could is not the same at all.

You were actually pushing Italiano hard D1. A vote =/= an energetic bus.

But to my bigger point, everyone here (myself included until I started thinking about this point) has little to no objection to a George yeet. I think they are very different situations playing out.

[Datisi]

oh yeah also:

v/la-ish the next ~36 hours

i have some irl work (ew) i need to speedrun tomorrow because i'm a procrastinating idiot, i'll still be around here and there though not as much so calling this just in case

[Datisi]

now, there were sparks of dunn vote close to eod (which tbf other scum did distract from asap and yes they did give me slight panic attacks) but i don't think that's what you're talking about here, as the george wagon feels more comparable to the earlier dunn wagon, as i don't get the feeling we're deadline rushing here. so like. i'm gonna need a bit more arguments here than "dunn was hard to yeet and he was scum, george easy to yeet therefore he's town" because scum were doing the opposite of protecting dunn there.

Just because you guys hopped on that wagon doesn't mean you were pushing it. I mean, I'm not trying to get into a rehash of that game, but you can't honestly tell me you were trying to hard bus Dunn on D1. Sheeping me and then hopping off when you could is not the same at all.

You were actually pushing Italiano hard D1. A vote =/= an energetic bus.

But to my bigger point, everyone here (myself included until I started thinking about this point) has little to no objection to a George yeet. I think they are very different situations playing out.

i mean my point that on the first dunn wagon of that game (which is what i'm comparing this george wagon to), there were no scum voices arguing against a dunn yeet. like the "no objections to george yeet" doesn't imply "everyone is *actually* fine with a george yeet i.e. scum is fine with it i.e. george is town".

i tried to look at vc's to see if there's anyone passively dragging away from george (pushing other wagons etc) but i opened the mod iso and i couldn't even find the george wagon when it was on its peak within 10 seconds of looking so i just closed the tab. maybe i should spend more time on that.

[Datisi]

i tried to look at vc's to see if there's anyone passively dragging away from george (pushing other wagons etc) but i opened the mod iso and i couldn't even find the george wagon when it was on its peak within 10 seconds of looking so i just closed the tab. maybe i should spend more time on that.

i can *hear* iv angrily typing "but datisi!! george's wagon at its peak is the last vc in mod iso!! it would've taken you less than 10 seconds to see it!!!! and you sCum pReteNdiNg tO SoRT!?!?!?"

i was sure george's peak wagon was 5 votes (and looking back, i was right) and i was looking for a 5+ vote george wagon, but such wagon doesn't exist in mod iso bc i unvoted before mod made a vote count, don't even try

(pls read this post in a light hearted jokey tone thank you)

[VP Baltar]

also to actually answer your question, yes i would much rather policy n_m than i would policy george.

though i am also kinda ??? about you being the person to recommend that because... i dunno, doesn't fit my mental model of you, though what do i know. didn't you play a game w n_m and you two both lived to lylo? like that's making me think there weren't calls to policy him there but i didn't actually read that game and where was i even going with this

Something like that. I mean, I usually don't advocate for policy yeets mostly because the site meta now heavily penalizes even talking about it and no one really wants to. But I'm personally not opposed to it in cases where it can be a corrective action or just generally avoid a shitty xylo situation.

[Datisi]

oh yeah i was looking for potential george partners who are subtly masterminding the dissociaton of george's wagon

uhh... *checks list* vp? luca? wow in that case, i sure do fucking hope george is town!!

[VP Baltar]

I mean, I know I'm going on a limb shitting on the George wagon when I could easily just let that slide through and figure it out later if it is a misyeet. I just have a very bad gut reaction to it, and I think I just said this game I need to start trusting my gut a little more. If we do flip George and he's red, well that's just about my luck!

[Datisi]

I mean, I usually don't advocate for policy yeets mostly because the site meta now heavily penalizes even talking about it and no one really wants to.

ah yeah, like a month ago when obvtown!mena got shitwagoned and yeeted after unsuccessfully advocating for a n_m policy for the whole game

and n_m was the scum joat

good shit, i'd never laughed harder at a town misyeeting someone

btw this was my case for "having had to sit through a shit ton of ted-talks about policying n_m and they lowkey weren't bad". though maybe it was luck of the draw that n_m was *actually* scum that game (and me having the (mis)fortune of being a partner). though some spectator did call out n_m as scum fairly early for doing *absolutely nothing* but frankly idk if that meta holds.

yeah policying n_m not bad unless he's tpr i guess.

[VP Baltar]

baltar what is your opinion on anya again

what do you think about a wagon there

I've gone back and forth on Anya pretty hard this game, mostly because I can't make heads or tails of her posting style.

At first, I thought she couldn't be scum shitposting like that because that gimmick would not last very long before people just yeet you for being annoying, regardless of alignment.

But then she admits she doesn't have an actual read on George after hard defending him early one (lol, ok) and her vote onto Ico was probably the objective worse since I don't think she expressed any kind of concern about Ico at all, and she was late on the quick wagon. Of course, Ico is still in my list of suspects....so was it a bad vote?

Among the non-combatants, Anya is maybe on the scummier side. But I am having a weird problem where I have too many scum reads this game. Usually it's the opposite for me.

I hope your scum win made you happy, because now I see darkness behind every corner.

[Datisi]

I mean, I know I'm going on a limb shitting on the George wagon when I could easily just let that slide through and figure it out later if it is a misyeet. I just have a very bad gut reaction to it, and I think I just said this game I need to start trusting my gut a little more. If we do flip George and he's red, well that's just about my luck!

ok but again. can you tell me in any more specifics about what's making you uncomfy about it? like the votes themselves that were made on him? or do you think it's town pushing it through and scum are just sitting besides?

[VP Baltar]

yeah policying n_m not bad unless he's tpr i guess.

That's basically the only scenario where it's not bad, and even then....shrug

[Not_Mafia]

Sometime I have good reads

[Datisi]

what are your reads

[VP Baltar]

I mean, I know I'm going on a limb shitting on the George wagon when I could easily just let that slide through and figure it out later if it is a misyeet. I just have a very bad gut reaction to it, and I think I just said this game I need to start trusting my gut a little more. If we do flip George and he's red, well that's just about my luck!

ok but again. can you tell me in any more specifics about what's making you uncomfy about it? like the votes themselves that were made on him? or do you think it's town pushing it through and scum are just sitting besides?

I mean, the argument against George is just so uninspiring. His posts are very pedestrian. I don't disagree with that. But there are other players in this game with just as boring and uninspiring posts (Anya, Norwegian, geraintm). I mean, maybe it's a meta thing and I'm just not that familiar with George!town v. George!scum, but it is pinging me as a very low hanging fruit yeet. I guess that's why I'm comparing it to a policy.

of the people on the wagon, I'm not really a super fan of Gypyx or Norwee, as I think has been clear. I also think Ico coming back from the weekend and pushing there is STANKY.

Even geraintm is willing to break his bad play rule for how questionable the George wagon is.

Like I said, if y'all want to yeet him, go for it. If he flips red, that's egg on my face. I just haven't seen very compelling points being made except some vague meta and saying he's not here enough.