Mini Normal 2207 | The End

[Datisi]

note: don't take sections from the above to mean i'm scumreading luca, my read there is still net town to some degree, just

need to have it out so i post-game i can say "called it" if necessary

[Datisi]

also i took a skim of another game of alice that just ended recently and like she was similarly low content and she was town and i'm running out of hope this game will ever have enough content for me to have a solid grasp on

[Datisi]

i just did an ugly distressed cry-laughter sound

i bet the other people in the house are now wondering what the fuck is wrong with me

[Datisi]

George’s long post is +scum imo

731 generally makes me feel better about my GeorgeBailey vote

ok now i know george is suffering from a bad case of "only 2 content posts in 40 pages" but can you elaborate on this? i'm not sure you did, link me if you did

[Datisi]

NM/VP/Gyp/IV

can i get an elaboration on all of these except n_m

like you seemed interested in defending gypyx to the point i'm not sure why you would do so if he's null to you

and overall how are iv/vp both null?

[Datisi]

i tried to do a metadive on alice and i skimmed through her iso of her one completed game and the only thing i got from it is that i really really do not know how to do second-hand meta

Datisi u did this a while ago? was that at the same time you decided town!Alice posted low content too?

also i took a skim of another game of alice that just ended recently and like she was similarly low content and she was town and i'm running out of hope this game will ever have enough content for me to have a solid grasp on

i while ago i skimmed a newbie she played in, which was her only completed game on site at the time. here i skimmed the n_m mini that ended a little bit ago.

i don't remember the timeline of me deciding town!alice can post low content and me skimming through her games.

[Datisi]

AliceK/Anya/GB

do you have anything interesting to say about these other than "they not post"?

[Datisi]

Datisi do you consider Newbie 2050 low posting from Alice?

i think so? though i remember at some point thinking that she might have been posting more there than she did here, so i'm not sure what my final call was. i can skim again a bit later if it's important

[Datisi]

AliceK/Anya/GB

do you have anything interesting to say about these other than "they not post"?

are you serious?

i made a case on alice
i made my stance on GB clear i think? Tho that might just be in my head and agreeing with others who write it down i dunno
and anya yeah ok, i haven't spent time on that slot yet

i forgot about your case on alice tbh
i'm not sure you did? you might have, my mind feels blurry this game
and ye i would be interested in your take on anya

[Datisi]

see Datisi

maybe it's kind of jumbled and fuzzy in your head if you're town, but fmpov, your progression timeline on this realization looks incongruent to me

i tried to do a metadive on alice and i skimmed through her iso of her one completed game and the only thing i got from it is that i really really do not know how to do second-hand meta

this happened some time ago. You supposedly skimmed Newbie 2050 and got basically nothing out of it. But now you're saying you decided Alice had low content that game (okay ill give you that you are saying she posted a bit more?)

then you say this:

also i took a skim of another game of alice that just ended recently and like she was similarly low content and she was town and i'm running out of hope this game will ever have enough content for me to have a solid grasp on

so it feels weird to me that the relevation that town!Alice can be low content too happened when you skimmed Mini Normal 2196, and not really before? because you're clearly suggesting here that you realized it happened here

idk, it's making me queasy, like your progression on meta reading Alice doesn't feel chronological and it's there to make us feel like you are trying to sort her

whyyyy are you making me elaborate on this

ok so. when i made 749. i had skimmed through the newbie. she didn't post much and she was town there. at first i thought that she was posting more in that game than she was here. then i realized i'm not sure how much of that is "me noticing an ai difference" rather than "me confbiasing while doing second-hand meta" because confbiasing while doing second-hand meta is my speciality. so realistically, i got nothing out of it.

991 was made after i skimmed the mini. it's not

at that moment

i realized town!alice

can

be low content. i realized that back when i skimmed the newbie. but what skimming the mini did do is show that she was low content in two towngames, which right now is 100% of her completed games on site. that means that there's a much bigger chance she always plays like that, as opposed to the newbie being an anomaly wrt the amount of content she posts.

like, i'm not sure where the hell you're getting the idea that "after skimming the mini is when i realized alice *can* be low content". like i realized that earlier. what i *did* realize after skimming the mini is that "the odds of alice ever producing an amount of content i'd be happy with in this game have just plummeted", which is what 991 means.

[Datisi]

my god, this accusation from iv feels so forced

like he knows town!him would be skeptical of me because sTroNk sCumGaEm but doesn't actually know how to fake it so he's talking bullshit about me not having chronological reads

can i have one solid townread, please, that's all i ask

[Datisi]

baltar, do you think 1017 was a reasonable thing to be concerned about?

[Datisi]

i am kind of disappointed. like, a read of someone's intro is now classified as a "tinfoil theory"?

george, i left some questions for you. if you fall within prod range again now i'm prob just gonna vote you >_>

[Datisi]

can i have one solid townread, please, that's all i ask

[Datisi]

this game is one of the few times i am able to unironically say that i wouldn't cry about yeeting *any* of of you and my god is it fucking with my game

[Datisi]

Datisi, if we are going to policy, I'd prefer NM. Am I wrong? Like I get the GB hate, but that's my issue a bit...everyone is hating on him for the same reason about not posting/shit posting.

When scum gets accused of that, a yeet there is never that easy. Case in point: me trying to get scum!Dunn yeeted D1 in our last game. It was such an uphill climb and I couldn't get it through ever.

i was gonna give a funney reply of "what, you mean the same dunn that both me and green were trying our best to bus for like 80% of the game?" because i remember both of us sitting on that wagon for *a while* on day 1, but i'm not sure exactly how fair that is and i do not feel like going back to that clusterfuck to check.

george is currently... third? on my shitlist i think?

but ok. i *hate* arguments like "there is a wagon there therefore it's town" so let's dig deeper. whose votes on george are making you think it's a townie being shitwagoned? or is it just the ~feeling~ of ~no resistance~?

[Datisi]

also to actually answer your question, yes i would much rather policy n_m than i would policy george.

though i am also kinda ??? about you being the person to recommend that because... i dunno, doesn't fit my mental model of you, though what do i know. didn't you play a game w n_m and you two both lived to lylo? like that's making me think there weren't calls to policy him there but i didn't actually read that game and where was i even going with this

[Datisi]

i was gonna give a funney reply of "what, you mean the same dunn that both me and green were trying our best to bus for like 80% of the game?" because i remember both of us sitting on that wagon for *a while* on day 1, but i'm not sure exactly how fair that is and i do not feel like going back to that clusterfuck to check.

i lied i went back to check and i'm gonna report my findings to that me waking up my trauma wasn't for nothing

i scrolled through d1 mod iso. there was only one recorded wagon on dunnstral, it was started on ~page 10 by you, joined by one townie, and then joined by both me and green (and then later on by battle mage for like 5 minutes). me and green were the last two to unvote dunn.

now, there were sparks of dunn vote close to eod (which tbf other scum did distract from asap and yes they did give me slight panic attacks) but i don't think that's what you're talking about here, as the george wagon feels more comparable to the earlier dunn wagon, as i don't get the feeling we're deadline rushing here. so like. i'm gonna need a bit more arguments here than "dunn was hard to yeet and he was scum, george easy to yeet therefore he's town" because scum were doing the opposite of protecting dunn there.

[Datisi]

i'm gonna report my findings so* that me waking up my trauma wasn't for nothing

ebwop

also it might be stupid writing out that whole post why i don't think that way of townreading george is Good when i'm about to say "ackhcually i don't wanna vote goerge out anyway" but idk. like. george's posts are bad? yeah they're bad. i agree. like. "gut. scum would push on lhf. scum doesn't get angry." which is all like. idk it sounds like quotes from a "how to appear to be scumhunting" textbook but i cannot stop feeling ~something~ about george's posts that's making me not wanna murder him immediately. like it's not even a townread it's a "give him time" read and i don't get it. maybe i'm pocketed by his avatar who knows.

[Datisi]

also i should prob wait for george to get back to me with those answers but asdfdkjsg

Also fuck you That's my personal tinfoil hat!!! Luca is one of those players where I have a nasty habits of townreading too quickly... same with ISIS... And that bit me hard that one time ISIS was scum.

this is also probably a town rxn

is it bad that my initial gut rxn to what you quoted was like. the exact opposite. idk.

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also if anyone is about to ask "but dayteezee (this is not the correct pronunciation btw, no matter what george tries to tell you) you just said george is third on your shitlist how are you now saying you don't wanna kill him" the answer is shut the fuck up

[Datisi]

baltar what is your opinion on anya again

what do you think about a wagon there

[Datisi]

oh yeah also:

v/la-ish the next ~36 hours

i have some irl work (ew) i need to speedrun tomorrow because i'm a procrastinating idiot, i'll still be around here and there though not as much so calling this just in case

[Datisi]

now, there were sparks of dunn vote close to eod (which tbf other scum did distract from asap and yes they did give me slight panic attacks) but i don't think that's what you're talking about here, as the george wagon feels more comparable to the earlier dunn wagon, as i don't get the feeling we're deadline rushing here. so like. i'm gonna need a bit more arguments here than "dunn was hard to yeet and he was scum, george easy to yeet therefore he's town" because scum were doing the opposite of protecting dunn there.

Just because you guys hopped on that wagon doesn't mean you were pushing it. I mean, I'm not trying to get into a rehash of that game, but you can't honestly tell me you were trying to hard bus Dunn on D1. Sheeping me and then hopping off when you could is not the same at all.

You were actually pushing Italiano hard D1. A vote =/= an energetic bus.

But to my bigger point, everyone here (myself included until I started thinking about this point) has little to no objection to a George yeet. I think they are very different situations playing out.

i mean my point that on the first dunn wagon of that game (which is what i'm comparing this george wagon to), there were no scum voices arguing against a dunn yeet. like the "no objections to george yeet" doesn't imply "everyone is *actually* fine with a george yeet i.e. scum is fine with it i.e. george is town".

i tried to look at vc's to see if there's anyone passively dragging away from george (pushing other wagons etc) but i opened the mod iso and i couldn't even find the george wagon when it was on its peak within 10 seconds of looking so i just closed the tab. maybe i should spend more time on that.

[Datisi]

i tried to look at vc's to see if there's anyone passively dragging away from george (pushing other wagons etc) but i opened the mod iso and i couldn't even find the george wagon when it was on its peak within 10 seconds of looking so i just closed the tab. maybe i should spend more time on that.

i can *hear* iv angrily typing "but datisi!! george's wagon at its peak is the last vc in mod iso!! it would've taken you less than 10 seconds to see it!!!! and you sCum pReteNdiNg tO SoRT!?!?!?"

i was sure george's peak wagon was 5 votes (and looking back, i was right) and i was looking for a 5+ vote george wagon, but such wagon doesn't exist in mod iso bc i unvoted before mod made a vote count, don't even try

(pls read this post in a light hearted jokey tone thank you)

[Datisi]

oh yeah i was looking for potential george partners who are subtly masterminding the dissociaton of george's wagon

uhh... *checks list* vp? luca? wow in that case, i sure do fucking hope george is town!!

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I mean, I usually don't advocate for policy yeets mostly because the site meta now heavily penalizes even talking about it and no one really wants to.

ah yeah, like a month ago when obvtown!mena got shitwagoned and yeeted after unsuccessfully advocating for a n_m policy for the whole game

and n_m was the scum joat

good shit, i'd never laughed harder at a town misyeeting someone

btw this was my case for "having had to sit through a shit ton of ted-talks about policying n_m and they lowkey weren't bad". though maybe it was luck of the draw that n_m was *actually* scum that game (and me having the (mis)fortune of being a partner). though some spectator did call out n_m as scum fairly early for doing *absolutely nothing* but frankly idk if that meta holds.

yeah policying n_m not bad unless he's tpr i guess.

[Datisi]

I mean, I know I'm going on a limb shitting on the George wagon when I could easily just let that slide through and figure it out later if it is a misyeet. I just have a very bad gut reaction to it, and I think I just said this game I need to start trusting my gut a little more. If we do flip George and he's red, well that's just about my luck!

ok but again. can you tell me in any more specifics about what's making you uncomfy about it? like the votes themselves that were made on him? or do you think it's town pushing it through and scum are just sitting besides?

[Datisi]

what are your reads

[Datisi]

Among the non-combatants, Anya is maybe on the scummier side. But I am having a weird problem where I have too many scum reads this game. Usually it's the opposite for me.

same, except they're not even scumreads, they're "i would not be surprised if this person flipped scum in the slightest, but i feel like i couldn't botch together a proper scumcase bc it just feels like their posting is so utterly bland" reads. do those count as scumreads? idk.

[Datisi]

oh yeah i was looking for potential george partners who are subtly masterminding the dissociaton of george's wagon

uhh... *checks list* vp? luca? wow in that case, i sure do fucking hope george is town!!

Also, luca is on the wagon, not off. I think you meant Geraintm

didn't luca decide to be a darling and sheep me until the end of time or did i imagine that?

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of the people on the wagon, I'm not really a super fan of Gypyx or Norwee, as I think has been clear. I also think Ico coming back from the weekend and pushing there is STANKY.

oh yeah that ico vote on george is a thing that happened. uuuuuuugh i want to townread ico but i'm just not feeling it but i've also had a bad blunder on town!ico semi-recently and life is pain

ok ok one more question. what's your gut feeling on the ico flashwagon? i assume it's better since you were like, a part of it or something, but idk.

[Datisi]

hmm

i don't like not knowing your alignment

2 out of 5 people on wagon being possible scum is what counts as not THAT bad composition?

if i were to invite you to vote anya w me and mr blight, what's your response?

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hello wooper i am concerned about your lack of townread on me, what do you have to say in your defense

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why are you not concerned about it and why do you feel the need to preemptively defend wooper here

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i want a serious answer

you've never played a game w both me and wooper so you don't know our mutual history

so why are you so confident jumping in about what his read on me should or shouldn't be

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Atp I couldn’t care less who we lim out of {George, Anya, Not_Mafia}

I wouldn’t particularly mind limming Alice or gypyx either

incoming another post of me stating the obvious: but (1) this is a problem and (2) it's sad

i keep feeling like anya and alice haven't posted in forever and i look at activity overview and last posed a day ago? but i don't remember it at all??

what's annoying is that i still heavily doubt all the scums are in the lurkers (based on nothing but my paranoia ) and at this rate we will never be able to figure out who (if anyone) is scum in the actives because i genuinely don't think it's possible with so many dead slots woo

maybe i should stop caring about this game? that seems to work just fine for the others

/rant

ok if anyone wants me to do actually-game-related shit lemme know

[Datisi]

ico, lining things out for anya would actually be helpful - you said earlier she's a scumread but i don't think you said why?

[Datisi]

alice we really need a bit more content from you here, one one-liner every day isn't gonna cut it >_>

[Datisi]

hello wooper i am concerned about your lack of townread on me, what do you have to say in your defense

why lol ur not towny

oh cool is wooper scum too? did mod accidentally rand like 6 scum instead of 3?

[Datisi]

lol i was wondering if i should post that

[Datisi]

@mod can we get a prod on

georgebailey

anya?

[Datisi]

iv, have you replied to my q about you defending wooper yet?

[Datisi]

and i'm currently musing how anya might be the strongman that iv is trying to save

i don't like all this mindmelding

[Datisi]

Ok, just lim this

alternatively, if there is a bus vote, i think this post might have been typed out while cursing

[Datisi]

i think dats is wolf this game

lmfao i'm listening

[Datisi]

dats norwegian and some other guy i thought were all town earlier i don't remember the other guy now

dats is full of personality and emotion that comes naturally and would probably be a pain if he's inside the woods making fires

so what was this about?

[Datisi]

Where did Datisi disappear to?

mod duty. however i also don't have much to say. anya is naked-quoting some of my earlier posts as if they mean anything?

[Datisi]

i can agree that 1222 is a sorta thing scared scum probably* does not say but i don't particularly care as we're not killing iv today anyway

[Datisi]

like literally nothing from the time i last posted to now has made me change my mind on anya being scum who's just blowing smoke so

do you want me to comment on anything specific?

[Datisi]

y'all

anya called me town in 508

and all the posts she's claiming pinged her wrong about me (1221) happened

before

508

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*but not when you do it

and I get counterpushed for even suggesting that it was alarming

i mean i already think anya is scum and her push on me feels very much like an ass-pull, considering she's not even voting me

also if i were gonna be nitpicky i'd say that me metaing alice and anya's read on me aren't even comparable situations, considering you just misread one of my posts and drew conclusions from there, but w h a t e v e r

[Datisi]

why does it matter so much whether or not she’s voting you?

idk, it'd make more sense if she was trying to kill her scumread rather than lolvoting n_m

[Datisi]

Clearly the answer here is to auto-lim Datisi if Anya flips green

luca """jokingly""" testing the waters for my misyeet tomorrow

i see you i seeee youuuuu

[Datisi]

Clearly the answer here is to auto-lim Datisi if Anya flips green

luca """jokingly""" testing the waters for my misyeet tomorrow

i see you i seeee youuuuu

And ruin the pocket I’ve so delicately cultivated?

Nonsense!

then what was the point of that post? you just want to make yourself look better after you push me and i flip green.

[Datisi]

Has anyone experienced Not_Mafia being this inactive before?

yes

when he was scum with me in a recent jk9++

but also kinda in a game where i was modding where he was town so fuck if i know

[Datisi]

actaully dats what's your spirit animal

i don't have one

[Datisi]

it was an overall feeling so i just went looking for wolfy posts that explain the feeling tbh

i'm not sure which posts exactly pinged me back then

Datisi do you have any thoughts on this? I feel like it was basically your response to my thing but less words

i don't really

like it's a *plausible* explanation and i don't really care for it bc i don't care too much about that argument in the first place. i threw it out there when i noticed it but it's not the basis of my anya scumread

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actaully dats what's your spirit animal

i don't have one

I would say an Elephant as they never forget

i can't tell if this is meant in a nice "datisi's memory of random bullshit is incredible" way or the *other*, mean way and i'm gonna assume it is the first one

[Datisi]

you just wanna make me say it lol

[Datisi]

God where is not mafia

i think baltar doesn't appreciate our shitposting u_u

[Datisi]

Datisi I want to talk about this but I’m not sure where to start
I guess do you feel about your ability to read George on things like this? Is it pingy in a lamisty way?

i don't feel great about it, my historical read rate on george is like 1 out of 3

pedit: thanks for the pedit i fucked up, it was actually 1 out of 4

also why you wanna flashwagon n_m?

[Datisi]

bc claiming pr d1 means you gotta keep it up which is difficult to do long-term, and oftentimes town goes "but wouldn't scum claim pr???" and they get distracted

pedit: this was re 1293 i didn't read anything else

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In what direction?

I’ve never played with scum George so I really don’t know what he’s like as scum. I just know he can elimbaity as town through lack of content. I thought that line pinged townish just from the way he felt offended at you thinking his tinfoil was underwhelming

i played with him 4 times (when i myself wasn't scum) and i scumread him in 3 of those games so. i've also never seen scum!george (other than when he was in a hydra slot with me but idk if that counts)

[Datisi]

i played with him 4 times, and he was town every time*

i'm not paying ful attention to this game rn sorry

[Datisi]

IV, stop being a coward and hammer.

whyyy do you have such a thirst for a hammer suddenly

[Datisi]

@datisi do you agree with what Baltar is saying about Anya? we literally talked about some of these points together

1322 and 1323 sound very reasonable and i don't particularly feel the need to unvote

i feel slight uneasiness in the atmosphere but i'm not sure that's worth an unvote

i'm gonna disappear for a bit now because i *really* need to get to work

[Datisi]

really what?

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i mean I’m potentially blinded by confbias because zero of baltars Anya points resonate with me but you’re saying they’re all reasonable

i was already saying that i thought her scumread on me is bullshit and that the fact she's voting n_m instead of me is off, why are you surprised i agree w him?

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i mean I’m potentially blinded by confbias because zero of baltars Anya points resonate with me but you’re saying they’re all reasonable

i was already saying that i thought her scumread on me is bullshit and that the fact she's voting n_m instead of me is off, why are you surprised i agree w him?

to be clear i don't like the *confidence* of 1322 and 1323 but i'm trying to not pay too much attention to it bc i'm aware my ability to read baltar's tone is a flat zero

[Datisi]

i'm about to get yelled at but

UNVOTE: anya

i feel like i need to talk a thing or two w iv still but i really need to focus on my work now but i can't focus while i know anya is in n_m's hammer range and i might not get an opportunity to do that so uhh

i'm gone now be back at some point today if i don't pass out

[Datisi]

what’s wrong with his confidence? we’ve both seen town Baltar confidently believe a slot is scum

if you think my brain stops confbiasing even after being presented evidence to the contrary, i have news for you

[Datisi]

my brain is completely fucking fried right now

i'm around for maybe half an hour before i pass out

does anyone need some datisi in their life

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idk I guess I’m delusional and thought maybe your opinion on those might’ve changed or you’d at least reconsider I guess I’m just wrong. I just don’t see how any of this is scum!indicative

i mean i'm not sure why you think my mind would've changed on any of it... like she didn't provide proper reasoning for why i'm scum (other than * ~ g u t ~ * which, when that's your apparently one of your only solid reads and you've been doing nothing, is no), the "voting n_m instead of me" i can kiiinda see coming from town bc town can also be survivalistic etc, but like. idk it rubs me hella the wrong way when her overall play has been so low effort and low impact

[Datisi]

also reskimming the last few pages, i hate all of the reactions to this wagon

i hate that luca is going "achkchually i can kinda see her beign town but idk lol yeet"
i hate that iv is apparently so tunnelled onto anya!town while also saying he's not confident there
i hate that vp went so suddenly from "lol idk can compromise there" to ~ b l o o d l u s t ~

how many scum are there in this game

[Datisi]

my brain is completely fucking fried right now

i'm around for maybe half an hour before i pass out

does anyone need some datisi in their life

i am utterly heartbroken nobody took up this offer

[Datisi]

how many scum are there in this game

You think I'm scum?

not particularly? at some point after posting that, i started thinking how your play around anya here has some similarities to your play around the d1 galaxii wagon in jungle oligarchy, so. probably shouldn't waste too much time or effort overthinking your reaction here.

the answer to that question overall though, is that you do feel kinda flat to me so far this game. it's probably untrue to call it a scumread but it's sitting at the back of my mind for now.

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the answer to that question overall though, is that you do feel kinda flat to me so far this game. it's probably untrue to call it a scumread but it's sitting at the back of my mind for now.

That's surprising tbh. Feel like I'm fairly engaged given my schedule. I also think, if anything, I've been going pretty against the popular flow of the day a bit. What's flat to you?

i didn't mean it in terms of activity or the popularity of your reads. it wouldn't be fair to say lack of solving, but... lack of deeper thought? like you're def present and have opinions and are pushing things and doing the things a good townie should be doing, but it just feels like i can't quite follow what you're thinking all the time.

i'm about to go for real, i can go through your iso tomorrow to look for specific examples if you want.

[Datisi]

great. offer some alternatives then.

[Datisi]

i can't quite follow what you're thinking all the time.

Well, sometimes I have trouble haha.

But this is also the exact way I react when I get called out as scum.

"Oops, lol"

t h o n k

also reskimming the last few pages, i hate all of the reactions to this wagon

i hate that luca is going "achkchually i can kinda see her beign town but idk lol yeet"

How confident are you that Anya is scum right now?

Do you think she should definitely be limmed unless something significant happens, or do you think it’s ok to run up another player or two before the day is out?

i'm not as confident as i'd like to be but i also know that level of confidence is impossbile rn. i think she should prob be yeeted because i don't have much desire for running up other people, who if scum with *probably* claim pr and force us back to anya. but i also want to hear more from the ten billion lurkers in this game. but it feels like that's not happening.

what does this make you feel about anyas alignment?

absolutely nothing bc i can see all those rxns from y'all as town so it's not actually something that makes me flip on anyone's alignment, it just adds to my ~general paranoia~ and the feeling that this game is fucked

Luca are you asking Datisi that to help sort him or are you waiting for his approval to switch to NM?

Neither of the above

ok why did you ask that then?

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okay VP and luca town

what made you say this

Datisi - leaving an unvote that late is weird. and unvoting when it is half obvious that Anya isn't going to easily get over the line...hmmm

??? anya was on y-1. with a n_m in game, that's more often than not a death sentence.

i dislike george jumping in, going "anya is town gaiz!!" linking a random game then vanishing again
like ok cool thanks for the help

[Datisi]

isn't white-knighting *by definition* scum defending a yeetbaity townie?

[Datisi]

WKing: White Knighting. Aggressively defending another player, implied to be town. Similar to Buddying.

and buddying page said that it's sometimes done by townies

so it's actually not oops

pedit: source: trust me bro
or apparently don't

[Datisi]

I’m becoming tempted to wagon someone else out of pure boredom

Datisi, would you prefer George or Not_Mafia?

i don't think we should be wagoning people bc we're bored

probably n_m, if memory serves that some "scummier" people were voting george at some point, but i'd have to check if that is true or if i'm imagining it, but also lol *me* doing *preflip* in *this economy*

[Datisi]

Datisi how do you feel about Luca rn?

kinda sorta townish but also slightly flat and probably not out of scumrange yet

though i think i noticed a ~pattern~ he does in towngames that he didn't do as scum, though i would have to actually go through a couple isos to confirm, and that's too much effort right now when we're never killing him today anyway so ye

[Datisi]

ok why did you ask that then?

To make you realize that you’re suspecting me for taking a position that you actually agree with

ok but the difference is you taking that position makes you scum

[Datisi]

ok why did you ask that then?

To make you realize that you’re suspecting me for taking a position that you actually agree with

ok but the difference is you taking that position makes you scum

in all seriousness, that post shouldn0t be taken as a serious fos towards you three, because come on, y'all had a widely different reactions and what sense would it make to suspect them all

though i guess it was made because last night i thought they were all pingy in their own ways? i shouldn't play this game late at night. i think i'm just seeing scum everywhere bc i don't have my usual townblocc / strong townreads to rely on.

[Datisi]

shouldn0t

i need to use this colloquialism more

my 0 key and my ' key are right next to each other (dunno if it's the same on them amurican keyboards) so that sometimes happens

[Datisi]

Datisi how do you feel about Luca rn?

kinda sorta townish but also slightly flat and probably not out of scumrange yet

though i think i noticed a ~pattern~ he does in towngames that he didn't do as scum, though i would have to actually go through a couple isos to confirm, and that's too much effort right now when we're never killing him today anyway so ye

I’m really interested in what this pattern is

Hopefully it’s juicier than George’s anti-climactic tinfoil theory

lol imagine thinking i'd tell you

especially *after* you refused to out your tells on me

[Datisi]

Swapsies?

lol that was easy

maybe. though first i'd have to *actually* confirm you didn't do ~pattern~ as scum, and it's not just me deleting that game from my memory

[Datisi]

I find how consistently inactive George is to be scummy - he makes a post every day or two, just keeping himself out of prod range, and immediately disappears again. It seems somewhat calculated like he’s deliberately just doing enough to remain in the game

what do you think about alice then?

It reminds me of Zuko and Shepherd in my scum game, Datisi

Zuko being George and NM being Shepherd

i don't think n_m can be compared to shepherd bc n_m is literally

always

like this, while shepherd is capable of playing normally, if my meta-check memory serves

might be onto something with the zuko comparison. the thing is that i know george is never plenty active anyway. but also it's been a while since i've been town in a game w goerge.

ok i just skimmed his iso from the last time i was town in a game w him and like ??? i don't know how to play mafia lol

Why are you comparing apples to oranges here exactly?

/shrug. superficially it was a close enough reaction to throw it out there and see if anything spicy comes from it

(before you ask no, nothing did, everyone just ignored it, and your rxn is *fine*)

Innocentvillager is null

the fact that im so bleh in your readslist despite me being fairly active this game and you engaging me a decent amt and taking opinions on my posting (i dont' even get an "innocentvillager???" tier like Datisi or Gypyx, im just with the lurkers and ico lol)

compared to the magnitude of your opinion on other players who i don't feel like you've interacted with as much

does stick out to me a little idk

...
iv, did you respond to my q about you jumping in to defend wooper about me being null? like i know i asked this already but i genuinely don't remember
if you did please link, my brain might have finally rotten away who knows

[Datisi]

iv, remind me again why you're fine killing george but not anya? is it just the vt claim?

[Datisi]

superficially it was a close enough

~Side eye~

do you wish to say something?

[Datisi]

Luca is scum btw

n_m? giving reads? more likely than you think

do we also get an explanation with it?

[Datisi]

i want to say n_m doing more than the bare minimum is slightly town!indicative but i don't know if i really believe that

iv, remind me again why you're fine killing george but not anya? is it just the vt claim?

im too lazy to resummarize rn but it's kind of just throughout my recent iso

the VT thing is only a part of it

a lot of it is just gamestate tbh, and how george was kind of ran up but ultimately anya was the low content slot people settled on

but yeah there's more of that in my iso somewhere

ok i reskimmed your recent iso and i don't get it. what about ~the gamestate~. they were both run up. people seemed fine with either. like pls resummarize or link where you explained this bc i don't see it and i'm not buying vague "but the gamestate!!" (like 1449) arguments without them actually being backed up by something

[Datisi]

VOTE: anya

considering norwee unvoted this should be y-2 (aka n_m's y-1)

i will admit that my ~confidence~ in anya!scum has kinda fallen even flatter than before but i'm not sure i've heard good arguments for running up someone else right now. honestly probably the best potential argument for that i can think of rn is george's "wow gaiz anya is town" post being scum defending a loltownie bc they think the townie is about to die without their help but like. question is how much i believe in that argument myself.

if we're being Really Spicy i'd even throw out possibly speedyeeting alice, but let's be real that is nothing but a coin flip. it'd be incorrect to say i scumread her bc i don't think it's possible to scumread her considering she's put out *almost zero content*.

i just scrolled through gypyx's last few posts and wouldn't mind killing that either

fuuuuck this gaaaaaame

[Datisi]

If you think George is more likely scum, why not yeet there? There is still enough support it seems

i mean, i'm not sure i do think that. i *could* see the argument for george being a wk-ing scum here, and if it turned out to be the case i wouldn't be surprised at all. but the problem is that i don't exactly believe in that. it all feels the same. feels like mud. i think i'd need a stronger case for swinging onto george here when (1) i'm histroically shite at reading him (2) i'm scumreading anya (3) anya has already claimed (4) i'm not sure i'm noticing the ~gamestate difference~ that iv keeps talking about, other than a few people voting one of anya/george but not voting the other (and that's really not enough to tell me things about ~the gamestate~ when nobody is flipped and my reads are probably lolrandom right now).

[Datisi]

Alternatively, I could still get down on a last minute gypyx wagon. I guess my only hesitancy is that we do probably need to sort a non-contributing slot today if we don't want to get ruined in late game by a pack of people with no real records to scrutinize.

On your mention of n_m, I kind of got similar townie vibes from him calling Luca scum out of nowhere. I don't think I can articulate it -- and that's certainly easy to fake -- but it felt left field in the same way his reads in my last game with him felt.

We are really going to need some good night actions to sort this game I'm thinking.

does gypyx not count as a non-contributing slot? also what's your scum(?)read on him again about?

hm. this sorta motivates me to try and compare some of n_m's town and scum isos. not right now, but. at some point.

yep. hoping the game solves itself, isn't that fun...

[Datisi]

Going off memory, I couldn't tell you who he has really interrogated or what he asked them about.

i went to check, he's currently voting george because ??? reasons

and also i find it kinda interesting how his strongest scumread was iv, but there wasn't much of anything recently in terms of either interacting w him or pushing him

and by interesting i mean fuck this game but you get the point

[Datisi]

this sorta motivates me to try and compare some of n_m's town and scum isos

my god that sounds terrible. why would you do that to yourself?

the same reason why i play mafia, because i hate myself

[Datisi]

I mean, if you're going to call iv out on something, it'd be hyperposting with no real serious scum reads and no hard pushes behind his posting.

*looks at own iso*

if i ask "why are you wishing to dayvig iv because of that but seem to be just fine jamming w me?", will you give me an interesting response?

i mean, i don't even know *why* gypyx suspects iv. my 30 second search through his iso didn't find anything therefore i am assuming the reasoning does not exist

[Datisi]

does the whatever mean scummy or annoying (or both)? for future reference.

[Datisi]

in an average game, this is where i would force an argument with you about your read of the "cheap point i tried to score". however, i suspect the majority of the game wouldn't bother reading that (as i get the feeling they're barely reading the game anyway) and my read on you is already "eh kinda town, we'll see how things develop" so it'd most likely be more effort than it's worth.

[Datisi]

i'm trying to solve you by getting you to explain your reads but it seems like that's not working >_>

[Datisi]

Datisi, help me out here

[Datisi]

i'm trying to solve you by getting you to explain your reads but it seems like that's not working >_>

you mean that my answers are unsatisfactory or the fact that you are just ignoring things i've actually done this game?

no, i mean that i asked you why you thought vp and luca were town and i got the big ignore in return

[Datisi]

Unfortunately there are a lot of boring slots in this game that need pushing

on a gut level i do not like this post but i'm wondering if there's even a point in me calling out all posts i get bad pings from

[Datisi]

it's not about you prioritizing low-content slots, it's about you being defensive

bc like i'm pretty sure i remember you did the same thing in the other game

however, i am perfectly aware that calling someone scum because they made *one post* that sounds similar to one post they made that one time they were scum is absolutely moronic

so i'm gonna pretend everything is fine while dying inside

[Datisi]

i have to go for a bit, after i'm bacc i'll look at the george / anya wagons and see if i can see what iv is talking about

[Datisi]

I don’t feel I was being particularly defensive tbh, I was just being honest

in my mind, town!luca doesn't even bother responding to a one-line accusation that they're scum by the most uninvolved player in the game but meeh

[Datisi]

me pretending to know anything about wagon analysis:

ico - dats, norwee, vp, anya, wooper, gera (included bc why not)

george - luca, dats, wooper, gypyx, norwee

anya - dats, luca, vp, ico, gera, norwee

people involved in neither george/anya wagon - n_m, george, iv, anya, alice

ok i reskimmed your recent iso and i don't get it. what about ~the gamestate~. they were both run up. people seemed fine with either. like pls resummarize or link where you explained this bc i don't see it and i'm not buying vague "but the gamestate!!" (like 1449) arguments without them actually being backed up by something

George never really got into claim zone. when he did the Anya wagon came up and people just transitioned over.

what pool of people are the scumbuddies of Anya in? you can go "preflip associatives' all you want but like, i just don't see which teams are going to play it the way it played

if Anya is scum and GB is town, Anya's yeet was very avoidable. there were plenty of other slots that easily couldve been pushed while people were applying pressure to Anya

you could say Anya/GB is a lurker scumteam but i don't really believe it.

"people just transitioned over" is kinda false i think. both wooper and gypyx voted george but never voted anya. likewise, ico/vp/gera voted anya but not george. these wagons aren't the same.

i hate preflip but if i had to call out a "possible anya scumbuddies pool" i feel like all of {wooper, gypyx, n_m, george, iv, alice} fit from a sorta level-zero vca, where we're not even talking about possible bussing (which frankly i feel like happens every goddamn scum yeet but ok).

and like... is that not what's happening right now? haven't multiple people been pushing away from anya?

[Datisi]

norwee, you've been scum with george like 50 times by now, do you have any Deeper Insight Into The Situation here?

[Datisi]

people just transitioned over" is kinda false i think. both wooper and gypyx voted george but never voted anya. likewise, ico/vp/gera voted anya but not george. these wagons aren't the same.

whatever my wording wasn’t entirely accurate the point is George was a wagon then Anya became a bigger one, which means there’s some chance that scum are influencing this

there's a chance that scum are influencing something? in a game of mafia? wow!

ok but who. like why do you think they're influenceing the anya wagon and not george's. is it me/luca/norwee? why are you fine with george wagon but not anya's then? is it vp/ico? are you pushing either of them?

[Datisi]

ok, who do you wanna wagon instead then? it's not the time for theory arguing without also proposing an alternative

[Datisi]

why n_m. that's the ultimate coinflip.

[Datisi]

If you do not vote Anya or George in your next post, I'm going to assume you are scum.

This applies to everyone.

question

what if i'm already voting one of them

[Datisi]

ok cool please vote him then?

[Datisi]

like i agree with vp i very much feel like scum are trying to run the clock down and whoever is town doing that, please fucking stop and actually contribute to this game you signed up to play

incidentally i think that makes vp Solidly Town because i feel like scum!vp just fucks off here and waits for town to kill itself with apathy

[Datisi]

like i agree with vp i very much feel like scum are trying to run the clock down and whoever is town doing that, please fucking stop and actually contribute to this game you signed up to play

does this include me

not really

i feel like scum!you would be running the clock down by not doing jack shit rather than by spamming useless nonsense, if my memory serves

also you should vote one of anya/george bc n_m is obviously not happening at this point

[Datisi]

it's useless nonsense if you're scum (:

[Datisi]

it's useless nonsense if you're scum (:

only if*

[Datisi]

like it's annoying you're just writing off my stuff as useless nonsense but what can i do i guess.

it's also annoying you're writing me off as "never having this slot above townlean because dAtiSi PaRanOia" but we can't always have nice things in life can we

[Datisi]

who do you think is scum tho?

[Datisi]

how am i supposed to bop you if you don't have solid scumreads >:(

[Datisi]

what

[Datisi]

Datisi, what do you think

i do not

[Datisi]

Am i misunderstanding you?

idk i have no idea what you're saying

i can't bop luca if he has no scumreads

[Datisi]

i am getting a growing feeling deep in my soul that mr blight does not have our best interests in mind </3

[Datisi]

i am getting a growing feeling deep in my soul that mr blight does not have our best interests in mind </3

Why?

who knows, really

[Datisi]

@mod can we get a prod on

georgebailey

anya?

[Datisi]

wait fuck no i thought that was the gb post i didn't read it in full aaaaaa

[Datisi]

It’s ok, I’ve already given up hope of being TR by you

I hope this makes you feel bad Datisi

guilt tripping

ate

scum

[Datisi]

i hope you step into water while wearing socks

[Datisi]

you are making me feel emotional distress, i hope you are happy

pedit: fuck norwee's onto us

[Datisi]

(expired on 2021-04-22 19:09:48)

if there's not a bomb ass catchup post with a *full* readslist from george by the time this timer expires, i'm voting him.

[Datisi]

i'm torn between "george is scummy for talking about voting slots that are obviously never getting yeeted today" and "george is towny bc he's not being survivalistic" but it won't stop me from yeeting his ass

[Datisi]

Now we are talking

also what was this comment aimed at?

[Datisi]

big mood

also yeah agreed

tho i'm not sure if that's happening anymore with norwee and luca being *gestures vaguely* that

[Datisi]

Day ends in 1 day, 2 hours, 1 minute

where is george

why are people splitting votes

my fucking god

[Datisi]

there are none as i haven't read them yet (still in the process of getting coffee you feel)

i just skimmed and saw voted for neither george nor anya and got annoyed

thoughts(tm) will be soon i'm still half asleep

[Datisi]

geeeeeeorgeeeeeeeeee

it's 4:30am at your place, right? is that readslist still coming along?

[Datisi]

GeorgeBailey (4) -> Gypyx, NorwegianboyEE, innocentvillager, Luca Blight
Anya (4) -> VP Baltar, Iconeum, geraintm, Datisi
Wooper (2) -> Anya, Not_Mafia
Gypyx (1) -> GeorgeBailey
Not_Mafia (1) -> wooper
innocentvillager (1) -> AliceK

ok thoughts uhhhh

"we need to fucking vote someone out" is majority of my thoughts. anya has done like nothing town!indicative and i very much still wanna vote her out. wooper i wanna strangle right now for not having a vote on either of the two. same goes for literally everyone not having a vote on either of the two. iconeum is being very very low energy and if these two are tvt i think solid chance he's a wolf. luca hasn't obvtowned still and that is making me sad but also with this many [redacted] who obviously don't give a flying fuck about the game that they signed up to play, we're never catching scum!luca and that is out of my hands so i won't feel too bad. vp and iv still town. gypyx and george are still, for some goddam reason, giving me the vibes of "absolute and utter noob town" (yes this is me being a salty fuck, why do you ask?) but i won't feel even a pinch of remorse for voting either of them out incorrectly. actually the same goes for alice even though i don't think we have time to swing onto alice. wooper and norwee are like ok. i'd go out for a coffee w them but i wouldn't invite them into my home but also same as luca if scum we're proooobably not getting them considering the sad state of this game so whatever.

[Datisi]

oh there is ~something~ happening with anya and george here that i'd *very much* expect townconeum to call out, but he isn't calling it out, which maaaaay be indicative of him being scum and knowing that that is not what is happening

but this is like extreme tinfoil don't take it tooooooo seriously

[Datisi]

I’ve got this weird gut feeling that Anya is Town based on recent posts, even though I disagree with most of her views

do you think you could put this into words further than "gut"?

[Datisi]

u think wolfconeum comes in like "uh god maybe anya is town" at the 11th hour while supportin the Anya wagon?
idrk I'm out of touch with ico meta

if anya/george are t/t i don't see why scumconeum wouldn't be taking the piss out of town like that

[Datisi]

VOTE: Luca this 1 interests me

didn't you have luca as your stronkest townread what is going on we need to consolidate ;_;

[Datisi]

u think wolfconeum comes in like "uh god maybe anya is town" at the 11th hour while supportin the Anya wagon?
idrk I'm out of touch with ico meta

if anya/george are t/t i don't see why scumconeum wouldn't be taking the piss out of town like that

whats your thought process that like...connected iconeum to George/Anya at all?

it's less than 24h to deadline
ico is being lazy
why would ico be lazy in this economy
well if top wagos are t/t and he gives no shit
that's a plausible theory imo

[Datisi]

u think wolfconeum comes in like "uh god maybe anya is town" at the 11th hour while supportin the Anya wagon?
idrk I'm out of touch with ico meta

if anya/george are t/t i don't see why scumconeum wouldn't be taking the piss out of town like that

since when does scum!coneum not take the easy yeettt??

what are these recent takes of yours even???

they are both easy yeets rn i don't see your point

[Datisi]

ya changed my mind; when's deadline? I'll yeet George idrc about him

i was planning on using your read as an excuse to townread luca, why do you think he's scum??

[Datisi]

i cannot be the loud dragon you know me to be when there are too many players who can actually play this game and are actually doing things

????? 5/13 of this game is literally not playing the fuck are you on about?????

[Datisi]

and you scumread/shade me for it?

i'm only shading you if anya/george are t/t

if they're t/s i think that makes you very solidly town

[Datisi]

scumconeum wouldn't be sitting on his ass doing nothing if there was a town and a scumbuddy wagon competing near deadline, how ks that a bad take?!?!?!?

[Datisi]

scumconeum wouldn't be sitting on his ass doing nothing if there was a town and a scumbuddy wagon competing near deadline, how ks that a bad take?!?!?!?

I don't think ico busses George at the 11th hour and I don't think scum!ico realises he's a lategame player if he's scum with George

when he made that post a {George+ico, X} world formed in my brain lol it's wild that you had such a different take at the exact same moment

i genuinely have no idea what this podt means

who is "he"
what post did "he" make
what do those brackets even mean

[Datisi]

VOTE: GB

anya's recent posting is someting she can hopefully keep up
GB is just blatantly stalling at this point, doing jack shit. If this is town, then it's not a bad yeet anyway

If I had time i'd probably push Luca here while hiding behind wooper, but weekend vla is soonish and deadline etc

I'll take that fight tomorrow if there's a chance

intent to put goerge on y-1

i am not happy with this and would *much rather* see anya die and i feel like i'm walking right into scum's trap of "yeet loltownie goerge" but let's be real he fucking brought it upon himself and i have a hard ime giving a shit about this game when nobody else does either

george needs to claim in his next post

[Datisi]

GeorgeBailey (5) -> Gypyx, NorwegianboyEE, innocentvillager, Luca Blight, Iconeum
Anya (3) -> VP Baltar, geraintm, Datisi
Wooper (2) -> Anya, Not_Mafia
Gypyx (1) -> GeorgeBailey
Luca Blight (1) -> wooper
innocentvillager (1) -> AliceK

i'm getting a growing feeling there is scum in luca/wooper and that this game is lost

[Datisi]

@dats
these are really bad posts
ur part of the problem here

i still have absolutely no clue what ico post you were talking about earlier, esp since you spent first half of the post saying ico/george aren't scum together then the second half saying they are

also what the fuck do you want me to do in this game, it's unplayable

like genuinely what do you want from me

[Datisi]

Anya accidentally townspewed a few hours ago

where did this happen??

ur top posting the shit out of this game and you seem ok with this dogshit gamestate and you were confused when I suggested an icon/George scumteam? what gives?

i'm sorry like what in this game gave you the impression that i'm "ok" with this gamestate? you mean like when i've been *begging* people the whole day to actually play the fucking game they signed up to play because i'm not a miracleworker and can't solve when 5/11 slots i need to read are offering less than nothing??

and yes i was confused because i genuinely didn't get where that thought came from

[Datisi]

i literally wrote out a post earlier giving my takes on like everyone in this game and you're cherry-picking the things i call out as i see them

pedit: she's done nothing townie???

[Datisi]

i'm sorry like what in this game gave you the impression that i'm "ok" with this gamestate?

accidentally just answered this before sorry for not like quoting/answering

what's ur spiciest take rn don't make me read through ur iso

what's scummy about her posting a few hrs ago

i don't have spicy takes, that's the fucking issue i've been pointing out for so long, i cannot solve in a clusterfuck like this

nothing is especially scummy about it, it's just not townie and coupled with the rest of her play she can go

[Datisi]

"I can't solve this cluster fuck so I'm gonna policy yeet someone who's actually posting" - datisi 2021

she wasn't posting literally anything ai / of substance until there was a wagon on her ass, and even now it's questionable

[Datisi]

I’m struggling to stay interested rn

hnnnnnnnnnnng

i'm starting to want to sheep wooper for a bit someone kill me

pedit: ...

[Datisi]

I wanted to see her reaction + I thought it was scum indicative to have such a stance on someone with so little content

what did you get out of her reaction

[Datisi]

god geroge still hasn't claimed
VOTE: George
this is the better policy yeet / more likely to hit red / whatever

george is most likely fast asleep now until god knows when

knowing his posting habits might not even be back before deadline which is great

[Datisi]

I’m struggling to stay interested rn

hnnnnnnnnnnng

i'm starting to want to sheep wooper for a bit someone kill me

pedit: ...

What sucks the most is that you’ll probably eat the NK and I won’t be able to sheep you tomorrow

just convince your scumbuddies to shoot someone other than me duh

[Datisi]

for someone obsessed with solving this game via power roles, you sure don't give potential power roles a chance to claim

[Datisi]

maybe this actually is gera being 9000 iq scumplayer lol

[Datisi]

whatever, i hate you all, see ya tomorrow

[Datisi]

p sure it was

[Datisi]

gera: "we solve the game by night actions, fuck scumhunting"

also gera: "i don't want to be outing power roles by claims so i'll just lolhammer them instead"

like at this point i'm genuinely hoping he's a troll

[Datisi]

we had a perfectly fine vt claim to yeet

[Datisi]

that feels like town george, scum george would either shut the fuck up or post forward stirner

[Datisi]

i feel bad now

[Datisi]

ok just ran a double check bc i thought it was weird that the thread wasn't getting locked (and i saw mods online smh) and it was a hammer

[Datisi]

i see norwee's online but he isn't bothering to show up at all. he's probably scum.

[Datisi]

okay.

[Datisi]

luca, if i say i like, really scumread you, will you kill me tonight?

[Datisi]

i was just shitposting why y'all talking like i'm actually gonna die i don't like this

[Datisi]

Datisi, what are your final thoughts?

jesus why is this so ominous

also i have already given my reads, and frankly i don't have too much faith in them anyway so

[Datisi]

if datisi is still alive on Day 3 just reverse his reads or kill him. either way reverse his reads.

this is unironically a really really good lifehack for town regardless of my alignment

[Datisi]

In other news, I'm starting to agree that one of Ico and Luca are scum, with a lean toward Ico.

who are you agreeing *with* here? or who said that rather

[Datisi]

valid

[Datisi]

i *almost* want to say luca is townie for the frustration but

i can't risk another egg on my face

i gotta keep the meme up

[Datisi]

scum!george is a memer

when we were in a scum hydra and there was a cop guilty on us and i wanted to self hammer at y-1 (and we *really* needed to self-hammer before other people came online because town had fouR DIFFERENT FUCKING COP SHOTS THAT NIGHT), he told me to wait a second for him to find a funny gif to post along the self-hammer, even though that was risking somenoe unvoting

scum!george would've offered us at least one meme here

[Datisi]

@mod

VOTE: GB

anya's recent posting is someting she can hopefully keep up
GB is just blatantly stalling at this point, doing jack shit. If this is town, then it's not a bad yeet anyway

If I had time i'd probably push Luca here while hiding behind wooper, but weekend vla is soonish and deadline etc

I'll take that fight tomorrow if there's a chance

[Datisi]

iv there's 9 hours to deadline there is no fucking way that is ever going through

y'all made that shit wagon y'all are seeing that flip

[Datisi]

because nothing else is even in theory going through

because we need the flip so people don't get distracted by it tomorrow

pedit: oh please stop fucking trying to game the system, it's the only slot whose initials are gb and it's obvious from context

[Datisi]

you know what? you know what??? at least my early pings on norwee proved to be correct and my vp/luca read rates are actually Not Shit now. i am fine with this outcome.

gg scum, thanks for mod

also it looks like it has been proven that norwee and george cannot *not* roll scum with each other lmfao

[Datisi]

also here is my bad notes thread: viewtopic.php?f=90&t=86367

mod pls release k thanks

[Datisi]

Datisi, every time you said in the dead thread "glad I'm dead, lol" I became more and more jealous.

> invites baltar to play mafia with me
> we both roll town
> i get strongmanned night one
> he lives to 4p mylo

yeet

[Datisi]

If we are both town, I think it would be impossible for us to ever survive very long together haha

next time i roll town in a game w you, i'm not even gonna bother reading your posts

if we're both alive past n2, you're scum, ez game