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I thought that was a towny post, personally, but looking at Bell's iso there's not a lot else so I think what I saw while skimming might not have been a representative sample
I don't think there's any issue with not having proper scumreads this many pages into the game"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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More people are town than scum
It is far easier to townhunt in the first part of day 1 than it is to actually expect to find scum, then look for scum in the people you have not got in the town pile
Like, you're in my locktown pile already"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Partly this conversation here, partly good timing in putting me in your scumreads just as I was holding myself to account for my failure to post, and partly that you're challenging the VFP wagonIn post 499, Esooa wrote:
what for?In post 498, jjh927 wrote:More people are town than scum
It is far easier to townhunt in the first part of day 1 than it is to actually expect to find scum, then look for scum in the people you have not got in the town pile
Like, you're in my locktown pile already"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Aside from you being locktown
Bear hydra is locktown
Enchant is town
Bamboozle is town
VFP is town
Bell is town
Wheme looks town
Titus looked town but I'm not sure I can read Titus
Raya is a scumlean, as is samantha, and I'm torn on Retti"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Because it takes me effort to engage in the gameIn post 507, Esooa wrote:
why do you usually not post?In post 506, jjh927 wrote:Thank you for making me post now because I was telling myself I was gonna post in like 12 hours when I'd woken up more and when I tell myself that it's usually a lie
Once I'm engaged it's a lot easier though"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Bell's last post looked really bad
Does Bell have any inactive town games or is relative inactivity actually a scumtell? I'd be somewhat happy to vote there if so, and I have mixed feelings about the counterwagon forming on Raya."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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I think it's worth waiting for clarification on the claim before talking about multiball or even taking it seriously
On another note, I'm back to being happy with Raya votes. This can be another piece of evidence in favour of my lazy playstyle guiding the elim onto scum with minimal effort"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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I don't think Titus is scum eitherIn post 1224, WhemeStar wrote:Do you guys think the top 2 wagons day 1 are both scum?
I also dont think titus is scum here
Raya is. I think it was all town on the Raya wagon, so scum could have tried to move pressure away from the Bell wagon and they didn't"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Is it possible for circumstances unrelated to alignment to affect someone's activity level? Yep
Did I get elimed the first time I played an inactive towngame? You bet I did
Meta can be a hindrance when you're locked into that kind of thinking rather than thinking about the possibility of a first time for something- like someone breaking out of their scumrange. Activity levels will not be a consistent meta tell over someone's future play. Oh, and I like to believe that replacing out really is NAI because people who are more inclined to replace out as scum should not be playing this game.
Ultimately it doesn't matter because Robert looks pretty damn scummy with hindsight, although I'm afraid hindsight is all I can give you since I wasn't around after the gladiate."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Willow's reads feel pretty out there to me, which I'm taking as a sign that Willow is town
Scum are more inclined to come out with reads that are similar to what other people in the game are putting out
On the same note, I think I can see T3 scum but will have to iso properly
Titus is just town fwiw"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Doesn't seem like a readslist made to appease at all; in other words it is sincereIn post 1334, samantha97 wrote:
whichIn post 1333, jjh927 wrote:Willow's reads feel pretty out there to me, which I'm taking as a sign that Willow is town
Most of it is null or leans
The list has Esooa, who I feel is generally a consensus hard town as only a townlean, and I don't think there's a lot of attention on VFP right now"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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I mean, that's from quite a long while ago now but the deal with my readslists is that you can ask me about specific reads rather than me just dumping a load of information in the open when I make a readslist, since that gives me some information too"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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I'm not agreeing with a number of the things she is saying, but there are other things where she absolutely makes sense, and I feel like she's always saying things that make sense from what I know of her thought process. This appears to be Titus' real outlook on the game, as opposed to her scumgame. I somewhat expect her to have a few things that I completely disagree with, but she's a lot easier for me to place now I think I know roughly how she thinks.In post 1350, Dunnstral wrote:
Why is Titus town?In post 1333, jjh927 wrote:Titus is just town fwiw
There might conceivably be some minor recent differences in meta that I'm tuned in on that other people who are scumreading her are not? Might be worth checking up on the team mafia game she was in, as I think this is extremely similar play."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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In post 1189, Titus wrote:Given Retti and Bamboozle are town, scum were not trying to save Raya but merely gave up here. They went from not caring who was eliminated to resignation.
This points to PP scum as I TR everyone else on the Bell wagon.
PP Dunn T3 is my new answer."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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In post 1198, Titus wrote:In post 1191, samantha97 wrote:if anything the votes point to vfp being mafia if penguin were mafia
So you're suggesting scum bussed Bell over VFP. It's a valid theory but I disagree.In post 1192, samantha97 wrote:immediately before the bell votes vfp was at 6
I townread all the names on the VFP wagon. That's a sign you're correct. Yet no scumreads jumped on the wagon. I would expect some scum to jump on a scum wagon. If we do postulate VFP scum, then he must be either a higher PR role or more likely to go deep. This is where tin foil Retti scum goes.
Given the wagon participation rate (most sitting alone), I would feel that they generally ignored wagons on town and rushed to get on scum wagons. This is why PP's empty ISO is key. He was around but chose to vote Bell and not VFP. The VFP wagon was meant to hang around like DGB and LLD wagons did in the large normal.
Tldr, I think your read is townie but incorrect with a possibility that I am wrong.
Can we just vote where we agree though?
VOTE: PPIn post 1233, Titus wrote:
Counterpoint, as much as Raya is my backup.In post 1228, jjh927 wrote:Raya is. I think it was all town on the Raya wagon, so scum could have tried to move pressure away from the Bell wagon and they didn't
They may not have had time to do so given the gladiate.In post 1251, Titus wrote:
His unreasoned defense of lurky players, his utter lack of scumhunting (no discussion of anyone but me) and his chainsaw on behalf of Dunn.In post 1226, Retti wrote:Do you have a reason for T3 scum that is not related to him voting you?"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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That's probably enough posts
Titus is looking to try and push wagons on people she thinks are scum, especially when people are voting for people she does not think are scum
She is engaging with people to the end of convincing them of her viewpoint
This is Titus' towngame"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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That's quite open tbh and not my preferred kind of specIn post 1485, Dunnstral wrote:So where do you think scum are voting in vote count 1.5 above?
That Bell wagon looks like all town there
The Samantha wagon includes VFP
Dunnstral wagon includes T3
Bamboozle wagon has Flea
and then there's all the vanity wagons at that point
If I had to pick from the actual wagons, I think the order listed (VFP, T3, Flea) is order of likelihood of being scum, with the unmentioned players on those wagons (now mentioned as Raya, Titus, and Wheme) being town. I don't think there's a lot we can get from these wagon comps at this stage"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Willow, check out Titus' iso from the large normal in team mafia, or look at her in pokemon battles
I think Titus looks a bit different in recent months
I also think people who would otherwise be able to read her have recently ended up scumreading her incorrectly as a result of this- see myself in pokemon battles or mastina in the large normal"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Samantha, sorry I keep ignoring your request to give 2 scumcases but that's gonna be some effort and I need to get my reads in order again
If you want a scumcase at all or more than 1 confident scum I need to engage and stop being lazy, which was actually my plan for this day phase and hopefully there is still time"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Gladiates in themselves are generally not a pro-town powerIn post 1529, Andante wrote:In post 1526, Titus wrote:Dunn probably isn't town. He's been deflecting rather than sorting and that's only after being wagoned.
Dunn T3 PPP Raya.
you know... I did sr dunn earlier... just saw a fun picture and went "pretty picture!!!" Honestly, of your list... I haven't read T3, Penguin has nothing, and I haven't looked at raya too much...
Retti are you dueling someone again?
according to the wiki
> It is almost always one-shot.
and if people are talking about you having an extra shot, you claimed that yesterday, so why did scum leave you alive?
See: this situation right now"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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This is a pretty messy situation tbh where optimal play now is unclear
While the traditional play would be to elim Titus here anyway, I don't think I need that flip for my read confidence so my initial tendency is towards not voting
I'd like to think that the gamestate is better with Titus alive than not, but that really depends on other people- particularly those who will live to later in the game"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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I'd probably go along with people running up Dunn, see what he looked like when the pressure piled on, and either go with that or try to pivot over to T3In post 1579, samantha97 wrote:well if titus was off the table and retti theoretically never used gladiate, who would you want to lynch today?"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Well that was quite a start to the day
I'm a little concerned about Retti's itchy trigger finger as the guilty could technically still be some form of gambit but it doesn't look gambity and I think andante is probably just guiltied scum"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Damn, I think that makes me the objectively correct elim for today
I'm neg utility- if I die in an odd phase then flips will only be alignment and not role after that point. This is an even phase so we're good
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I'm struggling to see how that could be the caseIn post 2063, T3 wrote:I have a guilty on jjh."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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On odd phases, if I die then future flips will be alignment only and will not include role.In post 2076, T3 wrote:
Well then what do you claim?In post 2075, jjh927 wrote:
I'm struggling to see how that could be the caseIn post 2063, T3 wrote:I have a guilty on jjh.
During odd nights I can target a player and I find out what negative effects have been caused by them wearing a mask. I can't find out what the drawback is before someone has worn a mask though, only find out retroactively. This has been relatively useless as I targeted Whemestar in N1 and T3 in N3 and got nothing both times. In the first case, I thought Whemestar would be one of the most likely players in the game to use a mask in N1. In the second case, T3 had claimed a mask and I assumed it was gonna get used here.
In even nights I can stop someone from wearing a mask, effectively roleblocking a mask ability (but only a mask ability). I targeted Dunnstral in N2.
I can put on a mask to swap these round but I haven't done that"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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I do think it's better to elim me first simply because it stops this neg utility from firing off
Honestly I was planning on going fully active in day 2 because I was gonna try and get myself NKed but stage 1 of that plan just didn't happen"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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People seem to have talked a lot about what I want and what I know
I would like it on record that:
My proposed elim order here is myself first, then Samantha, then Titus. This isn't the best in terms of town deaths, but it'll do.
I have seen all of the high rise invasion anime, which is pretty good overall but I don't think it had any particularly spectacular individual scenes that stood out."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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