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[Etine]

Hey party people.

VOTE: T3

[Etine]

Guys we should REALLY REALLY vote T3 I swear great things will happen!?

[Etine]

Great things will happen!!

Better?

[Etine]

OK OK

*Begins to type delicate reasoning as to why T3 is scummy due his odd nature of seriousness in his reads*

Better?

[Etine]

What leader? Everyone knows i should be one.

I townread you lots so I agree

[Etine]

vote: Etine

better?

Why drop what you were doing with Cabd just to vote me for being audacious? Jealousy is a bad trait to have

[Etine]

So you don't think T3 is scummy?

[Etine]

KittyTacky pinging me as newbie scum here. Not sure if the current votes are RVS but VOTE: KittyTacky

Mostly

And the other lesser reason?

I meant like "mostly thei'm nervous" lesser reason as the defensive tone.

KittyTacky pinging me as newbie scum here. Not sure if the current votes are RVS but VOTE: KittyTacky

Congrats on making a non random vote! Care to share with the class your reasoning? I don't think scum will be handing us a silver platter wrong thread post this game, so you'll have to try harder on this one if town~

Mostly the "I'm nervous", then when asked about it the tone felt too defensive for a town riding around RVS.

The initial read on KittyTacky is fine but then it was doused with a lot of extra that surmounts to "who asked?" It's just talking to yourself openly to seem busy and stuff.

[Etine]

Haha gotcha I already answered!!

[Etine]

I don't really see your vote on me I'm just gonna pretend it's not there

[Etine]

OH sorry let me put them on...

[Etine]

I think XP is Brownie Townie

[Etine]

Less brownie townie for that XP but I'll just assume you're a bit eccentric!?

[Etine]

Nero did you know that I was readily convinced you noticed your own fault by voting me and switched over to cabd for narrative reasons? You gotta follow your own script...

[Etine]

21 People is a lot that's about hmmm 6 scum right? I have about 4 scumreads my odds R good

[Etine]

Umm about 5 years or somethin'? Give or take.

[Etine]

Why do I keep getting pushed for doing multiple things in a game? Why do I have to limit my hunting to just 1 person at a time?

That's not what troubles me actually it's more like you choose to be indecisive?

[Etine]

I have about 4 scumreads

who

(T3, Nero Cain, Rathe, deep-city-lights)

Deep-city-lights weakest of the bunch

[Etine]

I could be misreading Nero Cain here but he's just prickly like a porcupine. I don't know why it bothers him so much that I question what he's doing if he um does the same to me? That's how this works I believe.

[Etine]

I have about 4 scumreads

who

(T3, Nero Cain, Rathe, deep-city-lights)

Deep-city-lights weakest of the bunch

You scumread DCL after 3 RVS posts?
VOTE: Etine

I just didn't wanna seem like a fibber so I ISO'd someone and saw she had low content and lo and behold my 4th spot LOL

[Etine]

Any scumread is a good scumread, that's my motto. I think scum are most afraid of accountability so instead of seeking out the answers, they'll pretend they have them

Does that resonate w/ how I think about T3/Nero Cain? Maybe a little..

[Etine]

Ahhhh I don't really mind if ppl scumread me but I do mind that my words aren't being considered. Even if I'm scum I would have to talk about people, if you think I'm scum and my reads are all wrong and stuff then I would be at the least humored by it!

[Etine]

I don't need to explain why your scum reads are bad when you've premptive-ly explained it yourself

I just didn't wanna seem like a fibber so I ISO'd someone and saw she had low content and lo and behold my 4th spot LOL

Bad as in like they're wrong bad or my reasoning is bad cuz yeah I've definitely talked about T3/Nero Cain

Etine if you start attacking T3, people will townread you

WTF I did that earlier and my vote is still on him LMAO

[Etine]

Odds are in a 21 Player game a low-activity slot can be scum..

[Etine]

It's just the one I happened to ISO and then decided oh maybe this one. I see your concern about it and stuff but lemme be a bit more serious

*Puts serious face on*

I care more about how you feel about my scumreads and less about how I presented them. Let's go back to what I was responding to u about before: are my reads just bad cause they're wrong? I don't get the impression you believe that so if you somehow dooo..why do you disagree? Do you think T3/Nero Cain are townie? Rathe?

[Etine]

Look mate, stop trying to deflect this onto your actual SRs. It was never about that. It was about you manufacturing an SR by choosing a random inactive player after someone called you out on your 4 SRs statement

Umm

Deflecting onto my..

actual

scumreads? You mean, the things I should care about? That you should care about? Not the fact I jokingly put someone as a fourth?

[Etine]

I'm like really really confused you came to that conclusion cuz you quoted the post where I clarified I just randomly ISO'd someone and put them there to not seem like a liar LOL x2

[Etine]

Oh my goodness I'm chortling

If you think I'm scum for having fun then I die with a smile on my face! Can we go back to my reads please? I love the attention I'm getting...

[Etine]

Listen chum are T3/Nero Cain town or scum to you I'm gonna keep asking you until you're annoyed LOL

[Etine]

ET, if you think/thought there were 6 scum in this game why do u only have 4 scum reads?

You think I'm a miracle worker!??!?!

[Etine]

YEAH WELL AT LEAST I HAVE SOME INSTEAD OF HIDING AND ACTING ALL STUCK UP IN THE PROCESS

[Etine]

Oh my goood nero cain is scum

[Etine]

Couldn't even finish his fake push on Cabd LOL

[Etine]

????

I'm still not sure why you think my sole focus should be on cabd but you're scum so you don't really need logic

Why don't you care about your own pushes? This is all you had 2 say on the matter

Why do I keep getting pushed for doing multiple things in a game? Why do I have to limit my hunting to just 1 person at a time?

[Etine]

Wait hold on I know what you're gonna say

Deflection! No sir I'm trying to have a conversation with you..

[Etine]

Listen chum are T3/Nero Cain town or scum to you I'm gonna keep asking you until you're annoyed LOL

ok I'll bite
nero nullish
T3 I could see some associatives with NDMath/Enchant but pretty nullish individually.

I appreciate that even if your vote is on me

Why null though? Got any bigger reason?

[Etine]

What don't you understand? The reason why I scumread you is because I thought your Cabd read was fake, then you had to say umm no I'm just doing multiple things at once. Yet it's page 15 and you stopped caring about Cabd completely..

[Etine]

Why do I keep getting pushed for doing multiple things in a game? Why do I have to limit my hunting to just 1 person at a time?

I responded to cabd in 63 and he hadn't responded yet. You started pushing t3 in 64 and was then being coy about why you scum read him so I pressure voted you and ever since you've been scum "reading" me.

Cabd has made more content though, so I'd figure you'd still be interested in continually poking him.

[Etine]

My mafia experience -

Umm about 5 years or somethin'? Give or take.

Maybe to you guys I still have tadpole brain though..

[Etine]

That's a bit of a doozy to answer. Do I believe that the team of (T3/Marky/Nero) all saw me doing my thing and ganged up on me? T3 even showed up and TR both Marky/Nero for their effort. I want to say that would make me very happy if true but possibly more complicated.

[Etine]

Marky to me based on his answers is more sitting null at the least. I think T3 hasn't done anything better than before, so maybe T3 just thought he could kiss nero's heinie and get the attention onto me

[Etine]

Null at the least as in null-or-scummier or null-or-townier

I think just straight Null. I don't wanna fully believe the whole (You/Nero/T3) thought because that's just really crazy. I liked at the least you answered me, but felt some whiplash when you were being all NICE DEFLECTION and stuff

[Etine]

Null at the least as in null-or-scummier or null-or-townier

I think just straight Null. I don't wanna fully believe the whole (You/Nero/T3) thought because that's just really crazy. I liked at the least you answered me, but felt some whiplash when you were being all NICE DEFLECTION and stuff

then why not just say null? Null at the least kinda implies something more either way

I like expanding my thoughts, I know sometimes they get all twisted but I try nonetheless

[Etine]

Hmmm I think I might've made a mistake

[Etine]

there's something very unusual about the flow of this day

or at least I feel a weird detachment to it

I think the scumteam in this game knows what they're doing, and doesn't feel the need to make any big moves yet..

[Etine]

Oh no all these votes, you guys are better off somewhere else!

I think most of you are just following a bad trend that started because I was bold but nothing else. Who exactly is my partner here if I'm being thrown to the wolves?

[Etine]

Oh i guess you're just daft maybe? Alright..

[Etine]

Lot of you are very rude and can't see my obvious intentions.

[Etine]

Vasex, you're especially a huge jerk

Imagine scumreading someone for having fun. I'm PR and going back to sleep.

[Etine]

Actually yknow I'll hardclaim, because I'm just so awkward right?!

I'm a lazy babysitter <33

[Etine]

That's because you're mafia and the fact I saw someone say you should be town leader made me wanna puke.

[Etine]

It was crumbing my role very obviously. To which i realized the scumteam wasn't brainless.

[Etine]

Mmmm

You can think what you want vasex..

[Etine]

Nero has done verifiable things in my mind that aren't exclusive to just behavior. You're an asshole but I don't know if that's fitting for a scum who sees in a potential mislim.

[Etine]

Please cop check Cabd and Nero Cain, one of them is scum maybe even both??

Idk about T3 anymore..

[Etine]

why would you claim not just a power role, not just a doctor, but a doctor variant that is particularly bad to claim @ 6/11 votes?

not only that but you were being read as mafia by a decent chunk of the game at this point, which is perfect for your role since it massively reduces the chance of you being the nk and lets you act freely

I mean you're basically expecting us to believe you vanillaized yourself d1 because you got mad which, while not impossible, is a lot to ask

Oh no I'm not mad. I think a lot of people see 5 YEARS and ALTERNATE ACCOUNT and can't be fucked to actually read me. All I've done is try to save you and me time

[Etine]

I DO feel awake however, just not in a mafia playing mood

I'll let it sit..

[Etine]

Hi. I'm breaking character for a moment to say this to you all:

I've been playing up a exaggerated sense of oneself, and my objective this game was to have fun and be a clown. I wanted to let loose and be positive. I've had too many games where I feel in a very negative headspace and it was taking a toll on me.

You guys aren't taking my words with sensitivity, despite my willingness to open up. I've pretty much done my job here. I'm not vibing with the high majority of active and I claimed my role because I was worn out by the unending shit I was getting. I've been dreading coming in here and I feel extremely done with the game in general. If you want to lim me on the merit of information (which is always a stupid fucking reason), by all means do it. Now that I've broken the facade, I've pretty much failed on my own objective. Maybe a lot of you resonate more with cold and factual instead of free-spirited. I don't know really. I'm not saying this to get your pity, because really I'm not generally an emotional player. If there are reads people want me to clarify on, I will do so.

[Etine]

It might be wrong to say but I just have that little faith based on my own personal reads. At least for D1? I'm not going to sit here and whine and say you guys are gonna lose the game if you vote me. I did however feel something existential as the day progressed. The pressure I felt was more or less internal. I am completely aware that I wasn't near death and my claim wasn't well-thought. However? I did it because I want the shock effect of doing so to maybe get others to rethink my slot. Maybe even get them to talk about other things. When you are the center of discussion, it's fine for a little bit because you get a personal outlook on how people are reading your slot. However, if that continues to ad nauseum, it gets very overbearing and it's hard to find goodwill in a sea of misguided townies, compared to opportunistic scum.

Honestly that should tip you off right there as to why my lim is probably bad and I'm town, because nobody wants to deal with the consequence of my death. They want to chalk it up as my fault and nothing else.

[Etine]

What do you think about Kitty, Etine?

What about Artemiana's idea, that we are scum partners with you?

Based on what? If I am playing at a level of liability, I go down making the most chaos possible. I don't duck my head here. Not after I've claimed a provable role that people would expect me to die with. Giving myself one more day as scum with a roleclaim is downright stupid. I know this doesn't fully answer your question, but the connection there just didn't make sense to me, therefore if I'm not scum then the chain should be broken.

Individually speaking, what seperates Kitty from a different lowballing slot you could pick out? I genuinely don't read his posts.

[Etine]

I'll give it some consideration. My vote on T3 isn't doing much currently, but I want to see how people treat my own recent development.

[Etine]

Hey guys. I've been not feeling well due to the COVID shot I got so I need to declare a V/LA.

I apologize for that inconvenience and eventually I'm just gonna reread and post a big wall on every player. Promise!

[Etine]

Just wanted to say I approve of T3 votes, even if mine is kinda old by now.

[Etine]

Sorry guys for flopping a bit. I'm still feeling a bit under the weather I doubly appreciate the patience.

Andres

is a great vote and someone I've been thinking about..

[Etine]

VOTE: Andres

Not sure why I

bolded

instead!

[Etine]

I very much disagree with voting Anastasia, and her slot previously was not on my radar either..

[Etine]

Jogging my own memory it seems the argument for Anastasia/Artermaria is not knowing her password? Which is a pretty bumkus reason to sr someone in the first place. Arte might've been wrong about me as well in their hero solve, but the hero solve alone is a choice response. Was Arte even being wagoned at that time? It seems like she just wanted to get her word in before repping out for reasons that didn't seem gamestate related.

[Etine]

Thanks Etine, you are so sweet.

No you! I thought your rep-in posts were good. NDMath though? Even in my own absence I feel just so bleh about the direction of the thread right now..

[Etine]

My mind feels much more refreshed now that the place has quieted a down a bit. I'm still a bit physically impacted by the covid shot but I'll manage.

Time to put these reading glasses to use and actually ISO some people..

[Etine]

21 players is a lot! I'm gonna just try to talk about the peeps who stand out to me. If I don't mention you or whatever I guess I don't have a read or anything worthwhile to say. My thoughts on players are written as I go along, but I didn't want to just clutter the thread some more. I'll try to be neat as possible, spick and span..

So! Right now I feel a good majority of the people leading are um fine. Usually scum only care to take control if it's given to them or necessary. I don't really see the need for Vasex to be prattling on in the way he has as mafia. Do I agree with all of his reads? Well not really. I think he's genuine even if a bit blunt. Who else am I okay with?

Ana, Enchant, samantha97

(slightly). Other people I don't wanna lim today but maybe don't TR are

DGB, Dunnstral, and Marky

. Marky because he's claimed miller mostly. That isn't the strongest batch of townreads and I wish I had more but boy am I finding a lot of the opinions made sorta blending in with each other. T3 getting wagoned was great and all but I see he's claimed one-shot cop? And there's another PR who's claimed as well? I was not trying to start a movement guys. I was just really stressed out and wasn't thinking and I'm sorry. Sidenote: I was townreading WindowsXP earlier but don't know anymore.

[Etine]

I'm multi-posting because this site seems to like that more? Please read my thoughts!


Starting off with

Anders

. My vote on Anders is not really one I've thought too deeply about, but I like it because all of his substance so far seems overly direct. He has posts like 263, 268, Yet to contrast that? he has posts like 463, 687, 1300. No, being inactive and claiming you'll catch up is not completely telling, but if you combine how sure of himself he is, why does he need to catch up? Or why does he keep making excuses. I know myself am very due for something like this but from my perspective it's much different. None of his reads feel earned or used in a way that would provide to other townies. It all reads like commentary and feels a bit selfish in design, and not in a good way.

Scummy

[Etine]

So..to my surprise

Cabd

is getting wagoned! I was pinged by him early but I find myself in a conundrum right now. I still think he's scummy, but the disparity between Anders and Cabd are much different. Anders assumes to know all the answers and Cabd sort of just keeps to himself. I think he's wrong on Ana but I don't know if it comes from opportunity. While the lack of activity and reads unsettle me, over time I might've just driven too much expectation onto the guy. His early posts just seemed so vibrant and reading to kick some tail but then nothing happened. And then he made this weird readlist on everyone that felt so hurried! Pure gut pings and maybe lots of tone. ISO'ing his behavior seems like there isn't any effort to change the way he's been playing, so he's either settled into his own scum death or he's a townie who knows they can get themselves out of this situation.

I am willing to give him a chance.

[Etine]

I never got a chance to talk about

DeathNote

but I've been bothered by him for a while now. As an aside: I felt really bothered by being the center of attention. When I said "I love the attention" that was a lie too, I don't like attention and I'm a very introverted guy. Tonally I just think he's all wrong. I wasn't mentally there to comment on it but looking back on posts like 106, or 171. Not very telling posts? But his joking nature feels a bit too on the nose. The posts that follow really say nothing. The only really BIG thing he cared to comment about was my own slot and what happened. I hate having to make reads and assumptions based on how people treated me earlier but you do what you gotta do. I felt very lectured and not in a good conscience way from DeathNote, and to be honest it was very performative. His other posts that I didn't link all read mini-performative, and his tonal indifference/joking doesn't really make sense to me. I think DeathNote just doesn't know what to post about, or what to do because he's

Scummy

.

[Etine]

I think

Rathe

is still weird to me too. His posts are all blahblahblahblah almost non-sequitur. If it needs a reference I do think the town is leading the discussion, but it seems Rathe only pitches in. And that pitching in by the way is very formless. His posts are non-discreet and reactionary, even if he isn't always responding to someone. It seems like he just skims the thread and then just types one sentence for every thought he's thinking of, but the relation of his own thoughts is messed up.

i feel scum!kitty says this in their scum PT only.

k this was my thought exactly

if mafia is nervous they have a private thread to talk in

i went to look back at y people thought kitty was mafia

vasex with this is mine y do u still think kitty is mafia

u believe if mafia was actually nervous they would say it in the big thread

vasex initial scumread on kitty was fair i guess, but i think T3 jumping on was not good

I'm gonna direct quote Rathe here. Look at these chain of posts. The following 3 after the first one are very unnecessary. It just has very little coherence. Why did he need to mention he went to look at why people thought kitty was mafia? Why not complete the thought on kitty instead of segmenting them like this. I think for him maybe he believes if he posts more people will think it's townie? That's the only explanation I could find.

Scummy

[Etine]

Ana I think your post on NDMath is good and you've said it more elegantly than my dumb self could but would you be willing to talk about my own reads thus far?

[Etine]

I know T3 claimed cop but I think his play is still scummy. Not going to dissect it further. I never got why Kitty was a wagon or suspected honestly either.

[Etine]

When I asked Vasex about this, Vasex's comments about NDMath made me believe they are aligned Mafia together.

I just think Vasex is really full of himself but not in a scummy way. Something tells me if he had a bunch of lowposting lackies as well he would air his frustrations more in his Scum PT than with blunt force like he is right now. The crux of my own read on Vasex is that I skim a ton of his posts because they are just so frequent at this rate. Is there anything that Vasex has done particularily that makes you think he's scum? Or is it just a package deal with NDMath because of his defense? If NDmath is scum (which I am reading them independently for), I'd have a hard time picking out partners.

[Etine]

Oh wait um I can read and see your point but just disagree on a personal level and how I feel about the game itself.

[Etine]

I just think Vasex is really full of himself but not in a scummy way. Something tells me if he had a bunch of lowposting lackies as well he would air his frustrations more in his Scum PT than with blunt force like he is right now. The crux of my own read on Vasex is that I skim a ton of his posts because they are just so frequent at this rate. Is there anything that Vasex has done particularily that makes you think he's scum? Or is it just a package deal with NDMath because of his defense? If NDmath is scum (which I am reading them independently for), I'd have a hard time picking out partners.

Well there is also the way Vasex approached my slot. It feels like he is really reaching for an excuse to vote me out rather than this being a genuine belief that he has inside that I am scum. When he talks to me I think he is unsure whether he wants to scumread me, eliminate me, get me to vote with him, or flirt with me. When I press him to commit, he decides he wants to commit to the elimination but I ask him a question of why and he spends quite a bit of time to come up with reasons that are not very good, esp for someone who wants my elimination above all others in the game.

Some people like to take control of threads when they are scum, it's not really about airing out frustrations as it is throwing things everywhere and seeing what will stick. Overwhelming a thread with volume is a legitimate scum tactic if there is a power vacuum that you can fill.

I was worried the person you were describing was Nero Cain! I didn't bother to make a paragraph or two about him because it felt no longer relevant. Unrelated, I had pieced together Cabd/Nero Cain and now Cabd is a leading wagon. My thought on Nero Cain was the discretion he took towards certain players, and then his lack of regard for others. For some reason people thought a good leader and I have to ask myself for what? For asking questions? For seeming interested? I think that's much different from well, actually being. I just never got the sense he was.

A-anyways, I'll agree with you on the premise that Vasex really doesn't care. The way he doesn't is quite pompous though! I also agree that his pushes are not very coherent. Especially that a lottt of the way he treats other players seems only to fill his personal goals. It seems that the reason you scumread him is because you think those goals seems no purpose other than to ordain himself as a leader. To be honest, I don't feel he's reached that goal. I think he plays more like a detractor as you said "a lot of noise" but if that's his purpose for his team then like um. Who's letting him? NDMath would again just be a lackey in my eyes, which is less compelling. I've been worried about Marky a bit even if I put him in the blue=fine category because the way they synched just bothered me. It's hard to entirely put into words.

[Etine]

Samantha's ISO feels very much like surface level vibing. She's comfortable interacting in real time but doesn't really commit to things in a way that is readable. She is comfortable engaging with multiple people and I don't see anything that I would say skews her towards town for me - alot of her posts are unmemorable filler and she doesn't really try to make an impact on anything. I would slot her around null-scum.

Ehh honestly you're right I just didn't feel good about having a bunch of nulls it's a bit irksome to be honest..

[Etine]

If anyone has questions for me or comments I'd love to answer them. Thanks for giving me time to just back away from the thread.

[Etine]

Ana you don't mind if I sheep do you? I know I said give him time but right now you're huuuuugeellyy talked about and if people wanna sort your alignment then they should follow on your leads and see what comes of it!

VOTE: Cabd

[Etine]

Ana/Cabd is a good match for the ring! Let them battle!

[Etine]

I don't disagree with Kerset! I do think Cabd as scum though is in a predicament. He can't exactly buckle on this read given his own circumstance, and if town he probably just dies on it..

[Etine]

There's too many people I dislike on the Cabd wagon..

UNVOTE: Cabd

[Etine]

Cold feet? If my team is apart of the bussing squad we just take our lumps! I just looked at the votecount and disliked it.

[Etine]

Mmmm. I've talked about it..

VOTE: anders

Cabd can die with or without me. I just.. I'm starting to wonder though? There's a great point to be made about who is bussing? Well to me I can't figure that out and think the wagon is just wrong.

[Etine]

And if it's not oh well

I'm not gonna vote for something I don't believe in. Cabd's argument about Ana is veryyy stubborn but scum stubborn? 9 votes stubborn?

[Etine]

You're not the boss of me, you're not even the most recent version of Windows.

[Etine]

Why not? If he's scum then you get more spew from him as he's completely cornered. I don't know if he believes he can just wear town's patience. Certainly not working for him if that was his goal!

[Etine]

You know XP your weird comments are actually why I wanted to hop off! I don't think you know how to act town.

im not sure what to make of this gamestate.

is scum bussing?
has scum given up on cabd?

or is cabd town and they're awkwardly hopping on?

im still of the strong opinion that cabd is likely scum just based on the behavior they are displaying.

Like thiis is a really bad post. Really bad! You're asking loaded questions that you've spent no time figuring out yourself. It's all posturing and trying to give yourself merit.

[Etine]

What do scum do when a townie is being wagoned but they don't wanna look bad for it? Ask pointless questions and misdirect the blame elsewhere! Why ask me who's bussing, or if scum has given up on Cabd? Those are things you should be asking by yourself..

[Etine]

I told you my answer. I think it's a bad wagon and it has people I don't like on it. Why do I need to do your homework for you? This operating system needs a reboot...

[Etine]

Your words have no meaning to me.

[Etine]

I made another mistake! I went back and saw Cabd had you as a strong TR so I'm going back to him.

VOTE: Cabd

[Etine]

it shouldn't be hard if you're telling the truth here

I'm sorry you can't read the game and need to make posts like you did pretending to be interested..

[Etine]

Vasex gets his hammer!

[Etine]

Cabd [9] - deep-city-lights, Nero Cain, Rathe, Save The Dragons, samantha97, Anastasia, Etine, Vasex, NDMath

Rathe, NDMath, sam?, Nero Cain. Not all scum probably!

I made a kneejerk unvote and decision but yeesh I looked at Cabd's reads and I was just in so much disagreement I couldn't possibly think he made them as town.

[Etine]

etine would you say you have success in accuracy in mafia games when you are town?

What does this matter? You're weird.

[Etine]

I'm not afraid to change my mind and openly say it I think if people were more honest and stop trying to play so much like a perfect townie it would make the game more organic

[Etine]

The game changed?

[Etine]

Well go cool off if you're town because being agitated is a bad state of mind that I'm not going to entertain for the betterment of you and me.

[Etine]

Can you relax? Please? I'm not out to get you or think you're a villain. I disliked something you did in context of a game we're playing. I think it's really rude and even a bit disrespectful you want to lecture me about stuff about how to play. People plays all sorts of ways, but I think your approach right now detrimental to yourself, and potentially others.

[Etine]

And you're the judge of that?

[Etine]

Oh I've played for about 5 years too! We just have different upbringings. I'm worried about you though, and I mean it sincerely that I want you to come back a bit later if you still have lingering thoughts on our interaction. When I said I thought you were playing detrimental to yourself, it's because I've been there. Did you not see me relapse and then hide for like..3 days? Then come back and try to explain myself because I was getting worn down.

[Etine]

I just don't want to get into this fight because I think it's bad news. I don't even wanna fight you. Maybe that's how you think you need to play the game? I just don't agree with that and I would ask kindly that you don't treat me that way. It makes me upset.

[Etine]

I think they're valid, but you're being so aggressive and it's not making it fun to play..

[Etine]

Mmm..

I'm not sure at the moment. Let me think on our interaction right now and I'll get back to a response to you? Even if it's not fully direct. I just don't wanna upset you further if I'm somehow doing that.

[Etine]

UNVOTE: Cabd

Mmm. Yeah I agree Enchant..

VOTE: Anders

[Etine]

VOTE: Vasex

Um. Choo choo? Didn't like what I saw about how he was handling Cabd..

[Etine]

VOTE: T3

*Nods sheepishly*

[Etine]

I feel immense pain about that death.. I was gonna babysit her and then chose not to because I didn't want both of us to die!

[Etine]

Shucks I have all these good boy points on T3's death and nothing to do them.

[Etine]

Scum kept me alive so my reads must be bad besides T3.

[Etine]

Um I do think one thing though.

While scum wanted to keep T3 alive for his role, he wasn't playing all that well. At some point I imagine most of them just wanted to see if townies would overthink and go elsewhere. I wonder what that means about Cabd's wagon?

[Etine]

Anya was my super duper secret read that I failed to protect and I feel bad about it.

[Etine]

I think I could probably choose the same person over and over Vasex..

[Etine]

I had a thought on how to use my ability. I also had a thought nobody likes me and that WindowsXP called me a kid

despite being in my 20s

.

VOTE: WindowsXP Vote-worthy!

[Etine]

Uh oh I just looked at something that might make ana happy?

[Etine]

Not that anyone asked but I think A50 is town? Well for now I think. I'm spending my good boy points there until I can get some more.

[Etine]

Actually wait wait. He's DeathNote? Nevermind I take that back.

[Etine]

Golly gee you guys post and post and post!

I'm basically exercising my right to not read anything but I'm getting lots of pings in certain areas. The last time I visited this post junction I was thinking about Cabd's wagon. Seems nobody wanted to talk about it so I'll do it anyways!

So here's the end wagon on T3:

T3 [11] - Rathe,

KittyTacky

,

Etine

,

samantha97

, DrippingGoofball, Marky Mark, Kerset,

Anya

, Vasex,

bloodhail

,

Enchant

[ELIMINATION]

Now here's the Cabd wagon when at it's peak:

Cabd [9] -

deep-city-lights (bloodhail)

, Nero Cain, Rathe,

samantha97

, Anastasia, NDMath,

Etine

,

KittyTacky

,

Enchant

The colors are to only show who was on both wagons! Underlined is the dead townie. I have no doubt in my mind that there's bussers in the repeating voters. Players who didn't wanna get looking dumb or non-committal. Are people townreading Cabd by the way? I actually think the fact this wagon happened and where the repeating votes are makes me think that's a bad idea! Did scum just happen to get put into a bad spot twice? I think so. That's why the day was never ending!

[Etine]

I think samantha97 looks the worst to me because I also caught her on another hot wagon! It's okay to sheep but I feel her votes are really lifeless, and the fact she was on one but two leading wagons makes me think she's not really thinking about her vote and placing it uselessly.

Scummy!

VOTE: samantha97

[Etine]

Golly gee you guys post and post and post!

I'm basically exercising my right to not read anything but I'm getting lots of pings in certain areas. The last time I visited this post junction I was thinking about Cabd's wagon. Seems nobody wanted to talk about it so I'll do it anyways!

So here's the end wagon on T3:

T3 [11] - Rathe,

KittyTacky

,

Etine

,

samantha97

, DrippingGoofball, Marky Mark, Kerset,

Anya

, Vasex,

bloodhail

,

Enchant

[ELIMINATION]

Now here's the Cabd wagon when at it's peak:

Cabd [9] -

deep-city-lights (bloodhail)

, Nero Cain, Rathe,

samantha97

, Anastasia, NDMath,

Etine

,

KittyTacky

,

Enchant

The colors are to only show who was on both wagons! Underlined is the dead townie. I have no doubt in my mind that there's bussers in the repeating voters. Players who didn't wanna get looking dumb or non-committal. Are people townreading Cabd by the way? I actually think the fact this wagon happened and where the repeating votes are makes me think that's a bad idea! Did scum just happen to get put into a bad spot twice? I think so. That's why the day was never ending!

If Cabd is mafia wouldn't it make more sense that other mafia would only be on one of the wagons at most, rather than both?

I think scum didn't know what was going to happen. There's..5 of them right? There's definitely room to bus in a large, so I don't think they'd be tooo hesitant to vote off a partner. This is why I kinda sorta wish KittyTacky checked Cabd here instead. Or someone like Enchant. Y'know one of the bigger wagons?

[Etine]

! etine- ppl are town reading cabd or atleast xp and andre are. XP is pushing the idea that t3/cabd can't possibly both be scum. Andre for ???? reason. idk about anyone else.

Why can't T3 and Cabd not be scum together? His progression on him is very yucky.

Reads:
Hard town: Marky Mark, Rathe
Town: Nero Cain
Lean town: NDMath, WindowsXP, dcl, Anya, DeathNote
Null: Vasex, Kerset, samantha, STD, DGB, Dunnstral, Arte, Andres
Lean scum: Enchant, Cabd
Scum: KittyTacky, Etine

Most of my null reads are basically people who haven't donr anything.

Cabd feels like a lot of noise but no content. Enchant is townreading one of my scumreads and I didn't like the framer interaction.

Cabd is only a scum lean for me, I 'm keeping my vote where it is.

but even if Kitty gets lynched today b/c its the EZ thing to do and most ppl just do the ez thing-ending the day with a lurking cabd, andre and arte seems like a bad waste of time. make them use their words.

But if kitty is scum we get Enchant confirmed scum and STD likely scum, Cabd and Etine likely town.

I'm not voting Cabd today because of Kitty/Cabd interactions, i just don't see that being a bus.

Cabd is hard town.

[Etine]

I think A50 is town

I was agreeing with you lots earlier but this is one I don't agree with! Do you think Cabd is scum still?

[Etine]

Why can't T3 and Cabd not be scum together? His progression on him is very yucky.

ask XP, that is who is arguing that but their argument is that b/c the t3 wagon overtook cabd it means cabd is town.

Um I don't like talking to XP they get all angry like the sounds of a dial-up internet..

[Etine]

Sammy why did you keep switching your votes and where do you want it now?

[Etine]

You um..don't even remember your own votes?

[Etine]

I don't want another big big day let's hustle people!

VOTE: STD

[Etine]

I don't think I wanna vote Dunnstral either..