Micro 1005: Help Isis, Scholarship Student at Noon

[Sha 77]

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Solve for now is 1 of Andres and Pooky with 1 of Infinity and Cakez

Ydrasse
tris
Alisae
Flea
Infinity/Cakez
Andres/Pooky

[Sha 77]

UNVOTE: Andres

[Andresvmb]

So I thought okay, some positive points there.

And of course they kept voting to make me leader, which if you’re Scum, you clearly don’t want to do. Putting your faith in the hands of Town who could turn around and make some correct choices is quite the gamble. All of that gave me good vibes about Alisae. I recognize that I was never

likely

to be made leader, so take that with a grain of salt. But it has to contribute to my read. But taking a theoretical chance and facing the real risk of an outright loss are two different things. So I think the turnaround is damaging. I still maintain that.

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: Pooky

I’ll put my vote here for now.

[Sha 77]

I think I inherently scumread the way you think, Andres. Even that post, I don't understand how you could think Alisae voting for you who you know is town is so indicative of them being town and it being such a GAMBLE for scum!Alisae. Like, I think it's highly likely scum voted to heal town for large parts of that phase. Your logic baffles me... this is why that meta should be helpful

[Andresvmb]

I think I inherently scumread the way you think, Andres. Even that post, I don't understand how you could think Alisae voting for you who you know is town is so indicative of them being town and it being such a GAMBLE for scum!Alisae. Like, I think it's highly likely scum voted to heal town for large parts of that phase. Your logic baffles me... this is why that meta should be helpful

I didn’t say it was a huge gamble. But going out of your way to make a case for someone who is Town is different than voting for Town because the winds are blowing in that direction. Yeah more often than not Scum are forced to vote for Town sure. That’s natural. But that’s not my point.

[Sha 77]

As in, scum aren't going to transparently vote for their partner, they could totally just vote for town if they think it makes them look towny. Idk, maybe you just read people heavily based on what they think of you. You're like a nexus that reflects townreads and scumreads to people.

[Andresvmb]

The Scum are naturally trying as best they can to nudge situations to their advantage. Vocally advocating to have a particular player that is Town in a way that is detrimental to your own position is definitely a positive point. It’s not definitive, but you’re dismissing it as something I shouldn’t have even considered and I don’t understand why.

[Alisae]

lol maybe the site meta's townsided enough that we can win mountainous

ofc we can

[Sha 77]

I don't think it means nearly as much as you think it does. Scum have to do

something

, it's not like they can just get away with not posting. That phase involved healing someone you thought was town. If scum are going to push someone other than themselves which eventually they need to do if they want to make any content at all, the vast majority of the time that person is going to be town rather rhan exactly their partner. That's them going for something that's against their wincon sure, but they don't really have a choice. They have to fake content at some point.

[Andresvmb]

Vocally advocating to have a particular player that is Town in a way that is detrimental to your own position is definitely a positive point.

*potentially detrimental to your own position (if you’re Scum). Obviously if you’re Town you’re doing the right thing.

[Infinity 324]

Hectic some people TR people TRing them, it isn't even that rare, most people are biased towards doing that, I don't get this push at all

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this logic is so bad maybe its ali-scum

[Sha 77]

This isn't a push, Infinity, I'm considering Andres being a town nexus that reflects reads

[Alisae]

you were doing the clueless "i dunno what happens next act"

so I decided to do my evil cat laugh reaction test to see how you would react

and then you straight up ghosted me

I
actually
like this
VOTE: andres

[Sha 77]

Well, unsure. Point is him reflecting reads probably isn't the best way to read him

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

wow my ali paranoia just shot up to a 8

hectic save me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i really shouldve actually paid attention to this game instead of grinding masters in strixhaven :<

[Andresvmb]

I don't think it means nearly as much as you think it does. Scum have to do

something

, it's not like they can just get away with not posting. That phase involved healing someone you thought was town. If scum are going to push someone other than themselves which eventually they need to do if they want to make any content at all, the vast majority of the time that person is going to be town rather rhan exactly their partner. That's them going for something that's against their wincon sure, but they don't really have a choice. They have to fake content at some point.

Yeah but you’re misunderstanding what I’m saying. You seem to insist on this idea that I had positive feelings about Alisae because they pushed a position and it happened to be pro-Town. Well that’s not quite it now isn’t it? Because yes your cynical view is correct the Scum have to do something, more often than not the leaders will be Town, so it is what it is they have to find excuses for supporting something. But they don’t have to go out of their way to damage their position either. That’s what I’m saying Alisae was doing. Like you wouldn’t openly foreclose the possibility of having your Partner picked now would you?

[Sha 77]

Do a backflip and post some of your usual towny goodness, Pooky

[Alisae]

i really shouldve actually paid attention to this game instead of grinding masters in strixhaven :<

POOKY

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

IT WAS A HARRY POTTER THEMED SET AND I HAVE NO SELF CONTROL

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Do a backflip and post some of your usual towny goodness, Pooky

the last time I tried to do acrobatics for you, you just killed me dude :<

[Sha 77]

Okay, Andres. I don't think we're getting a lot out of this discussion anyway

[Andresvmb]

Now that changed the minute they turned on me. I feel that was more revealing of their true intentions. I suppose I’m ultimately agreeing with you - I overestimated the strength of what they were doing, and I found myself disappointed and suspicious once they went back on it because it was convenient.