DEFCON Mafia 5.0: GAME OVER - NEW AMERICA FORMED

[Lady Lambdadelta]

VOTE: Against

sorry to hear about your grandfather

also bell is confirmed town by being the first to join the cool kids table

THIS IS A RUSSIAN SPY.

VOTE TOTAL WAR

REAL AMERICANS KNOW NUKES ARE SUPERIOR

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And my grandpa has a subdural hematoma and I'm gunna go to the hospital now.

Fucking fuck fuck.

THIS IS AWFUL. I AM SORRY.

PLEASE TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

TRUE AMERICANS DON'T USE CAPS LOCK

WE USE LEFT SHIFT

[Lady Lambdadelta]

VOTE: Against

Make love, not war, man.

HIPPIE EUROSCUM

[Lady Lambdadelta]

PookyTheMagicalBear
gorilla
Prism
Bell
Lady Lambdadelta
Cephrir
samantha97
joqiza

mary
Equinox/The Entity
Save the Dragons
Nexus

Robert M Hunter
DeasVail



Toogeloo
Titus
DeathNote

The Church of Skitter (Alisae/Menalque)
T3
Untrod Tripod
deep-city-lights

Vaxkiller
Et Al (Skitter/SS)

In hindsight, by and large I feel like that this is actually more accurate in spite of it basically inverting my previous scumreads and scumleans categories.

YOU CAN'T TRICK ME COMMIE SCUM

YOU CAN'T JUST PUT POOKY AT THE TOP AND GET ME TO KILL THAT AMERICAN BEAR.

VOTE: MASTINA

KILL.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

FUCK ALL OF YOU

I BETA TESTED EPICMAFIA BEFORE ITS RELEASE.

I AM THE OLDEST EPIC MAFIA ACCOUNT HERE.

I AM YOUR QUEEEEEENNNNNN

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ALSO PRISM IS A RUSKIE SCUM

NOT REAL AMERICAN

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also I am a Seattle scummer but tbh I dont even know you marry so

[Lady Lambdadelta]

FUCK ALL OF YOU

I BETA TESTED EPICMAFIA BEFORE ITS RELEASE.

I AM THE OLDEST EPIC MAFIA ACCOUNT HERE.

I AM YOUR QUEEEEEENNNNNN

I ALSO PLAYED FOR YEARSSSSSS

QUEEN

[Lady Lambdadelta]

back in my day...

OH HUSH I AM ALLOWED TO DO THIS

[Lady Lambdadelta]

vote: Mastina

Trust me guys. Something something 13 posts of garbage about meta and how certain I am Mastina is scum something something joining games with friends who won't kill me something something

Yeeting Mastina is good for the health of the game. Get her outta here. Dueces.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like I literally don't care about your personal scumreads. Nuke them. Or did you cowards take roles instead.

Unamerican I swear.

But Mastina dying is a game health check and will inform us a lot about these people who really don't eant her dead.

So yeah. Mastina today. No substitutes.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh some info for people?

I am a silo. I also picked 3 choices before silo. I knew I would get Silo because I told Cakez I was purposefully waiting until the last minute to submit so I would lose all tiebreaks.

I know 3 roles that are guaranteed in this game and its interesting.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I can't believe the words coming out of my keyboard but this is by far the most tolerable & limited posting mastina has made in awhile and the idea she has to go for gamehealth is nonsense

Yawn.

She does the same thing every game. And now we are cutting it off before she can get into the groove in a game where deacon 5 and 4 are mostly memes and you are like

SHE IS SO RESERVED COMPARED TO NORMAL GUYS COME ON

yeah we have only been actually playing for like 3 hours or sommat.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Not if no one chooses a troop

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Or did some of you fuckers put literally EVERY ROLE IN ORDER instead of getting a silo

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Can you explain for me why this is the case in this game but not in WH13?

Yep it's called WH13 was also a slog where any Mastina post was awful but at least I was a mason while I was alive in that one so I had town control to override her bullshit.

It's called "I have put up with Mastina in games without removing her for years now and it has only caused suffering so I'm not doing it again."

Why does me doing it here and not WH13 mean jack? I also didn't do it in about 20 other games of varying alignments.

I'm tired of seeing her posts. She has scum equity this game. It's win win

[Lady Lambdadelta]

there's 21 players, 13 roles, and most roles are just better for town than a silo, so even mafia would covet them

I guess it's possible something like radar wouldn't get picked but still, holding out to be 100% sure certain roles are present seems more of a paranoid mafia mindset

No townie in their right fucking mind should have picked a number of roles like Fail Safe and Fallout Shelter over a silo.

I'm so upset lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

maybe i'm missing meta here but why mastina of all people, i'm looking at her iso and it's like normal to me. what are you so annoyed with, at least she made reads

She made reads on the whole game.

Where is the justification for those reads, Marry? Go on. Find them for me. Find the justification for a full reads list in Defcon 4.

I won't accept anyone being left out. 24 different people. She needs reasons for all of them. She gave reads on them all after all right?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like "at least she made reads" is a garbage take because anyone can fucking make reads.

I could throw the playerlist into Random.org and post the list here and call it a fucking reads list and that would be "reads".

It doesn't mean shit.

Coincidentally that list might be more accurate than Mastina's hilariously so.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't see her as particularly annoying or intolerable this game. If you think she has more scum equity than usual, sure, but the idea we should preemptively policy her for gamehealth in a game where she is doing nothing wrong is disgusting to me.

I don't think it is a puzzle why I looked in previous treatments of the same player as a contrast in behavior. I explicitly found it scummy, and the response suggesting it is at least partially arbitrary, depending on your personal whim to extend mercy game to game, is not reassuring either way. I recognize that you provided a game-related reason for WH13.

Unfortunately for you I don't need your approval or your vote.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like this argument that "Mastina is honestly not as bad this time guys"

Is such bullshit because it covers the topic precisely. You know she is bad enough to warrant this on a good day andbyet you are defending her because it hasn't gotten that bad YET.

This is garbage posturing. If you don't wanna vote Mastina you don't have to but don't pretend this wasn't coming a long time now. Don't pretend this is something unreasonable.

Oh and also? Mastina has huge scum equity here so it's not even just a policy. Its literal win win

[Lady Lambdadelta]

maybe i'm missing meta here but why mastina of all people, i'm looking at her iso and it's like normal to me. what are you so annoyed with, at least she made reads

She made reads on the whole game.

Where is the justification for those reads, Marry? Go on. Find them for me. Find the justification for a full reads list in Defcon 4.

I won't accept anyone being left out. 24 different people. She needs reasons for all of them. She gave reads on them all after all right?

i... i don't vibe with this, i think you would likely be irritated if she had 'reasons' for all of it and wouldn't be satisfied with that either. it's NAI to me, and honestly i can kind of follow mastina's vague train of thought actually

What is the difference between Mastina's list and a random.org one.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like actually marry. You want to get into this so we will get into this.

You say you follow Mastina's "vague logic".

Show me. Explain her reads as better than random.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What is the difference between Mastina's list and a random.org one.

random.org correctly placed me at the top

Poggers

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i have no meta on mastina and nothing you've said has given me insight on what that is that you're referencing

her list might be based on tone + people communicating a lot. i tend to early-townlean people like this -- pooky, joqiza (and me, im right next to him, i can follow that logic bc of our interactions right?), merlot is high and i tone read her as town, where the skitter hydra is low and et al (people or... just pooky? were scumreading them, not sure if joke), and the ispers/replacements are low. it just seems like, idk, early observations during pregame. my home game does that all the time
these are early, but if i was forced to make a 'reads list' mine might look eerily similar basically

This is not an answer.

This is "I have some similar reads on the townside so I think it is fine"!

What about her scum reads then?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like actually marry. You want to get into this so we will get into this.

You say you follow Mastina's "vague logic".

Show me. Explain her reads as better than random.

why do you phrase this like we're fighting or i've taken a side or something

Because it's mafia. Or is your experience more hugs and laughter and everyone getting along?

I am town and I suspect you are not so I am putting pressure on you to answer me

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i have no meta on mastina and nothing you've said has given me insight on what that is that you're referencing

her list might be based on tone + people communicating a lot. i tend to early-townlean people like this -- pooky, joqiza (and me, im right next to him, i can follow that logic bc of our interactions right?), merlot is high and i tone read her as town, where the skitter hydra is low and et al (people or... just pooky? were scumreading them, not sure if joke), and the ispers/replacements are low. it just seems like, idk, early observations during pregame. my home game does that all the time
these are early, but if i was forced to make a 'reads list' mine might look eerily similar basically

This is not an answer.

This is "I have some similar reads on the townside so I think it is fine"!

What about her scum reads then?

this isn't getting anywhere lol

This is also not an answer.

Where did Mastina get her scumreads from, Marry?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The wonderful thing about Defcon is you can avoid questions but you can't avoid thermonuclear death.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i don't know why you're trying to call mastina scum for playstyle when she is actually a little scummy imo for her content

also please let's not all claim before the game even starts thanks!

I'm not calling Mastina scum for playstyle?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I am saying Mastina is scum... And also her playstyle needs a yeet out of this game to learn a lesson.

Infact this is a lesson that Prism taught me in an argument we were having so I don't know why Prism is so upset.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like I was calling Mastina scum back in Defcon 4 right after her reads list.

This isn't isolated. I just remembered that Prism taught me an important lesson about meta and how it will never change unless someone makes it change.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like actually marry. You want to get into this so we will get into this.

You say you follow Mastina's "vague logic".

Show me. Explain her reads as better than random.

why do you phrase this like we're fighting or i've taken a side or something

Because it's mafia. Or

is your experience more hugs and laughter and everyone getting along?

I am town and I suspect you are not so I am putting pressure on you to answer me

my experience is civil discussion actually. i've tried to explain myself to you and you're taking it as a battle..? why is the pressure on me to answer your questions that i've answered as well as possible-- i don't know mastina, i'm not going to speak for her, i don't know exactly what she was thinking in her readslist. why has this suddenly turned into you scumreading me because i'm engaging with you

So first of all this is civil. I've not insulted you, I've not yelled at you. I've been forceful with questions. You don't get to decide what I am doing is uncivil. You can like it or not but that doesnt make a difference.

Furthermore, you say you don't know Mastina and won't speak for her but my point was she didnt explain anything and you jumped in to defend her from that saying you actually UNDERSTOOD her reads. The onus is on you after that. You have given some vague "i agree with this read" stuff but nothing that explains how you "understood the vague logic of mastina". Especially her scumreads. I would expect someone who defends her reads as such to have more on the plate.

Finally, you aren't engaging with me. That is why I scum read you. You threw a loose defense of Mastina and when called on it had nothing to back it up so you fall back on agruments of civility and "this isn't getting anywhere".

That is scummy because it doesn't match your prior tone. It is defensive in the way that someone caught with their hand in a cookie jar might sound

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cephir’s actions don’t read to me that way at all

Agree. Ceph was chastizing for poisoning the mastina well potentially with a bad argument.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like it reads to me like Ceph wants Mastina dead and was worried my approach was going to cause her to go free because of a bad argument.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cephir’s actions don’t read to me that way at all

It's something I'll consider on a flip.
The vote change was pretty quick. I don't think a bus vote though, more like an opportunity.

But I'm okay with mastina as scum so Cephir will not have to threat today.

Explain how the vote change was pretty quick.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If ur ok w/ mastina being scum vote it.

Yo same hat.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also just saying?

Trying to shift blame onto me is not a move scum Ceph makes because I am shameless. I bathe in blood. Ceph knows that any attempts to throw shade that way just look worse for Ceph. And are pointless. Because I am already going to be shady and look like I drove this wagon ANYWAY.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also Cephrir we are damn well going to hallow this ground, just you watch!

I'm unsure what this means but am inspired anyway!

VOTE: church

VOTE: mastina

was thinking about doing this anyway

vote: Mastina

Trust me guys. Something something 13 posts of garbage about meta and how certain I am Mastina is scum something something joining games with friends who won't kill me something something

Yeeting Mastina is good for the health of the game. Get her outta here. Dueces.

@LDD

Why the fuck does everyone use LDD.
It's
Lady
Lambda
Delta.

Anyway. What you have shown here is an RVS joke vote for pressurr purposes to respond to DV.

Then a real vote following my vote because they had a scum read there.

Do you see otherwise?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

oh, i actually didn't mean that vote as a joke, i have some mild heebie jeebies from church but have absolutely no reasoning for it whatsoever

Oh really? Read as a joke cause DV seemed so... Not serious. I will need to read context.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Why the fuck does everyone use LDD.
It's
Lady
Lambda
Delta.

Anyway. What you have shown here is an RVS joke vote for pressurr purposes to respond to DV.

Then a real vote following my vote because they had a scum read there.

Do you see otherwise?

Ah yes, the RVS get out of jail card. Not the moment after vote of course.
I already said what I see on a town flip. If you are so confident in a mastina scum flip then you should have no worry about how I see this vote.
Interesting.

Do you think me so arrogant that I can't concede worlds where I am wrong?

Also logic doesn't work that way? Like. I can have a logical look forward without conceding my current beliefs or position.

And I find it fascinating that you seem to imply I can't have both.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like as a reminder yhe premise of the conversation assumed a Mastina town flip.

And the purpose was to judge if your actions were scummy, since I read Ceph as town here.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LADYYYYYYYYYYY

Ye what

You have said that you got defensive and want to reset.

So tell me your reads then, if you want to talk about them. I am listening.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

AND I DONT CARE IF THIS MAKES ME SCUMMY OR WHATEVER

I JUST WANT TO LIVE LONG ENOUGH TO FIRE SOME NUKES

WHICH WE WOULD ALREADY BE DOING IF WE HADNT BEEN BETRAYED BY SOME COWARDS WHO WANT TO LET THE BADDIES SHOOT AT US BEFORE WE GET TO SHOOT AT THEM

Pooky don't make me invoke ghe 25th ammendment.

Vote Mastina.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LOLOLOLOL TWENTY FIFTH AMENDMENT REQUIRES HALF THE CABINET

BUT ILL VOTE HER ANYWAY CUZ I DONT REALLY CARE ABOUT WHO GETS ELIMINATED AND I DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT THE VOTE COUNT IS BUT I THINK SHE IS LEADING

VOTE: MASTINA

When I nuke the rest of the cabinet I WILL BE HALF THE CABINET

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LOLOLOLOL TWENTY FIFTH AMENDMENT REQUIRES HALF THE CABINET

BUT ILL VOTE HER ANYWAY CUZ I DONT REALLY CARE ABOUT WHO GETS ELIMINATED AND I DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT THE VOTE COUNT IS BUT I THINK SHE IS LEADING

VOTE: MASTINA

When I nuke the rest of the cabinet I WILL BE HALF THE CABINET

i wonder why people don't do this in real life

Big thonk

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LOLOLOLOL TWENTY FIFTH AMENDMENT REQUIRES HALF THE CABINET

BUT ILL VOTE HER ANYWAY CUZ I DONT REALLY CARE ABOUT WHO GETS ELIMINATED AND I DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT THE VOTE COUNT IS BUT I THINK SHE IS LEADING

VOTE: MASTINA

When I nuke the rest of the cabinet I WILL BE HALF THE CABINET

THIS SOUNDS LIKE A COUP THREAT

I WOULD BE THREATENED BUT LIKE I ONLY CARE ABOUT TV RATINGS SO THIS SHOULD BE GOOD

IF 24 HAS TAUGHT ME ANYTHING IT IS THAT EVERY PRESIDENT MUST HAVE AN UNRULY VP WHO THREATENS THE 25TH AMMENDMENT

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Do you think me so arrogant that I can't concede worlds where I am wrong?

Also logic doesn't work that way? Like. I can have a logical look forward without conceding my current beliefs or position.

And I find it fascinating that you seem to imply I can't have both.

I see it more as confidence than arrogance but I'm going to be biased here.
You can have both confidence and doubt. Were you showing evidence of this? Nope. Are you now? Plausible.

Interesting that you find it fascinating though.

I will go 3 layers deep so help me god.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

IF I AM NIGHTKILLED, LLD BETTER BE POSTING VIDEOS OF HER USING AN OUIJIA BOARD TO COMMUNICATE WITH ME OR ELSE SHES A TRAITOR TO THE COUNTRY

Ahahahahhahahaha

I will perform a ritual to revive you.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

im gonna learn to ping one day
@joqiza ok bud hiiiiii do you think the way this table is reading mastina is similar to how we (EM in general) would read samp4palmer if he was to show up and do the same song and dance we know him for?

you can't ping on this website

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i'm also happy to do an et al counterwagon for teh lulz and see if we can't catch any of the buddies.

I was about to say "but et al isn't scum" but you were suggesting it so scum would vote there

nexus is big brain

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, this feels like a good juncture to say: try very hard to not recall your nukes. If a claim would make you want to recall it, ask for the claim before you fire it. If someone goes incredibly obvtown after getting nuked, then it's justified, but make sure plenty of people agree with you that the reaction was obvtown. Otherwise you're just sacrificing town-controlled kills.

-S

Oh and just a note for everyone in the game?

IF YOU SET YOUR MISSLE TO DEFENSE MODE AND I FIND OUT ABOUT IT YOU ARE GETTING DOUBLE NUKED.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

eavesdropper here guys. mafia said they like big butts? not really sure what to make of this, would really appreciate some help. more at 11.

okay since you claimed, i am now going to be forcing you to post

publicly

everything you receive

so any message you receive, I want to be able to see it here. No mod communication signs just. rewrite it word for word

[Lady Lambdadelta]

okay, i mean, sure.

i prefer this outcome. i'd rather our eavsedropper not claim yet but

if they do claim they better claim with receipts

[Lady Lambdadelta]

also this is an opensetup so i really don't care what mastina claims, lol. she'll 100% tell the truth because why wouldn't she

[Lady Lambdadelta]

is this what you are supposed to do in these games? speedlim to get to the nukes?

ye

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Let me summarize for you

Joqiza: hi, I'm town
Pooky, nexus, and someone else I bet: et al is scum
Et al: nuh uh
LLD, probably some other people: mastina is scum
Mastina: Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

i didn't read this post until just now and i literally burst out
laughing

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i hate this why did prism leave

[Lady Lambdadelta]

why isn't mastina dead yet

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Mognet who are you an alt of

[Lady Lambdadelta]

viewtopic.php?p=12559296#p12559296

Pedit: I think the Entity finds Mastina scummy and Prism’s post hilariously bad.

Has LLD attempted to reverse Mastina’s reads yet or said any other reads besides Mastina? I didn’t see any on a skim

Bear with me Kupos there’s a lot to read

My first post in the game was literally a vote on Mastina in Defcon 4 where I said MAstina couldn't trick me by putting Pooky at the top of her reads list.

What do you think that means lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also if I'm playing differently than Warehouse 13, it's because I was a confirmed town mason in warehouse 13 and that's a very different town game than when you're not a confirmed town mason, lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I found this other game where ladyDelta has a vendetta on player mastina:

viewtopic.php?t=85745&f=160&st=0&sk=t&s ... er_sort=Go

Hey funny you should mention this game

To everyone watching? I'd just like to iterate this.

Mastina was town this game. So was I. I employed the tactic.

Had we eliminated in order from her townreasds down? The first 4 reads were Scum Scum Town Scum. We also win the game if we continue doing this.

This is a common factor in games. This is what happens. Mastina can't read worth shit.

It's just that she was town that game and scum this game so

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Anyone think it's interesting that both Prism and Mognet are doing shallow semi defenses of Mastina withouth staking their games on her?

Same slot, 2 different people, same result.

Makes you wonder if there's an outside influencing common factor that caused them to both do this

BIG THONK

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't really know if there's a point to posting my thoughts because the level of care I have for people reading this slot is near zero, but I was very politely asked. I've read nothing from before DEFCON 3. I'm sorry that Merlot and Prism replaced out on our account, especially since it seemed like they were eager to play. What I do want to point out is that the complaints from us about hyperposting have a practical reason, and it's that the game is nigh unplayable if I look away for a day and there's 20+ new pages. Forget rereading the game down the line after flips have happened. Whatever, I guess -- people want to have fun their way, and we're both crotchety boomers.

VFP gave me bad vibes with their behavior around Lady Lambdadelta pushing mastina.
Lady Lambdadelta strikes both of us as town, I guess.
PookyTheMagicalBear brought up an interesting point about samantha97 essentially voting for the opposite of what samantha97 said samantha97 wanted (i.e. avoiding NKs), which gives me pause; I don't know that scum would blatantly do that. Seems easier to just let someone else take the heat for being the first to vote against Total War.
gorilla and Nexus are probably town?
I've got mean, NAI things to say about Mognet, so I guess I'll have to read Prism's posts later.

I feel you, Equi. I feel you.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Mean NAI things Entity Kupo? This makes me sad.

I am trying to add levity to what seems to be a toxic game based on the mod ISOs.

If I am being annoying somehow Kupo please tell me. I mean no one offense or harm.

Pedit Now I am doubly sad.

The schtick is frustrating.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Mean NAI things Entity Kupo? This makes me sad.

I am trying to add levity to what seems to be a toxic game based on the mod ISOs.

If I am being annoying somehow Kupo please tell me. I mean no one offense or harm.

Pedit Now I am doubly sad.

The schtick is frustrating.

Why is it frustrating? Are you having a hard time reading me because of adding a few Kupos? It seems well received. I seem to have gotten people to talk about reads. What are yours besides Mastina scum as that’s a dead horse?

Why do I need another read? Mastina is scum, she'll flip, and then I'll have reads from that.

You said you would vote Mastina right? What's the holdup then?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm starting to scumread Mognet, I actually have a really hard time believing that his contributions are coming from town because ever since he replaced in it feels like he has just stayed in the thread ever since and when I actually read his posts I feel like a lot of his contributions are being overplayed and faked. It really looks like he wants to look like town rather than just be town. I also feel like he's using this replace in to try to leave a good impression on people.

1452 also kind of doesn't fly w/ me?

We can use this to validate if you are scum fear pushing Mastina or trying to replicate a “I always push Mastina” habit or an intentional bus or just you hate playing with Mastina enough it clouded your judgment.

Why would LLD fear mastina? I find it hard to believe that LLD as scum would fear anyone.
Why would she try to replicate a "I always push mastina" habit when she could be doing quite possibly anything else? An elim is an elim sure but I'm sure LLD has better options that she look for or create.
Also the "you just hate playing w/ mastina enough it clouded your judgment" seems really silly to me tbh.

oh and remember

this slot apparently scumreads Mastina, according to them. They're not defending Mastina.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

oh also, how the fuck do i have an "i always push mastina" habit.

i have countless games, including the fucking large normal in team mafia where i have told mastina she was wrong, but town, and proceeded to be frustrated and live with her for the rest of the game.

It's like i'm witnessing someone try to tell me who i am or how i play when they don't know me. like, use meta against me.... but not even bother to learn my meta.

god

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i have a certain video that people could reference if they want to look up mastina scum games

but

meta is trash

i love that video so much

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I hate that this has become this.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I am smug catting for DAYS

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm gonna do a reread of the interactions from yesterday. I had thought about them but honestly I just didn't wanna get sidtracked so I need to review.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

vote: Robert M Hunter

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Honestly I tried to hunt something I thought might be scummier but I can't deal with this shit in this game anymore.

I'm getting a seance from beyond the grave that pooky wants us to kill moogle fucker

vote:Mognet

[Lady Lambdadelta]

T3 is Russian scum again? Starting to suspect he gets called out for being scum in most of his games.

Starting to wonder if the same people get wagoned every game on site here.

Seems a pattern.

I am going to bed but this should be a serious thought people.

If you always wagon/attack/dump on the same people it’s a bad standard.

Bro only you would watch me lead an elimination on scum and argue this.

Seriously just die.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It’s only here that puts up with this shit.

You just pick off not friends.

Naked votes would be policied.

So two things

First off I am the current record holder for highest point total ever scored in the MafiaUniverse Championship. So no it's not just here and infact there are many kinds of playstyless that exist.

Secondly, if you do not like it on the website why are you making it our fucking problem. If you aren't having fun you do not have to play.

But I'm not gonna put up with your Dunning-Kruger ass anymore. You say a lot of words that mean nothing, ypur arguments are trash, you can't convince anyone of anything and yet you lord this superiority over all of us.

Die. Leave. I don't care. I just want you gone.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Honestly I tried to hunt something I thought might be scummier but I can't deal with this shit in this game anymore.

I'm getting a seance from beyond the grave that pooky wants us to kill moogle fucker

vote:Mognet

Lexi there is no way this shit is scum, I'm sorry. If you just wanna YOLOyeet someone to get to nukes then fine but I do not believe Mognet is scum here.

Full disclosure I'm fairly sure Equinox would support a yeet on Mognet so you can appeal to him I guess.

I'm tempted to join the Mognet yeet for the sake of gamestate but I don't think it'll flip scum and I'll be honest the idea of only yeeting scum is v appealing to me after the righteous mastina thing yesterday

Well it isnt like it has 0 scum equity but no this is a pure policy vote.

I gave you my scum read for today. It's robert hunter. If we are going for scum I wouls go there but I just don't want Mognet alive anymore, let alone alive to have access to nukes.

Fuck that.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like I have lost my patience in dealing with this slot. I spent all of yesterday being told by them how I think and act despite evidence to the contrary from other games.

I put up with their nonsense for the mastina flip and expected them to fucking learn a little humility with the scum flip but no

I can't buy one fucking iota of respect from that fucking slot so I'm done with it

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote:Robert Hunter

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Holy shit. I missed that post, I skimmed the last few pages last night before I posted, wtf LadyLambdaDelta, we don't need that shit.

I don't need to deal with someone who wants to tell me I am only playing to keep my friends alive and that they are better than us and our site culture is bad.

I was saying I was going to either policy vote them out or they can leave if they don't like our site. But I'm not putting up with what they said.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

About replacement.
There is a difference between telling someone, that he is cocky (or whatever was your problem with him), and that some of his reads are bad/ invalid

versus

saying he is a piece of shit who should die, or quoting his posts and commenting how fucking retarded they are.

You

are retarded pieces of shit. That is not how you should behave to people who are trying to help you.

Kay first off don't use that word. And no one but you had used that word so what the fuck.

Secondly no one was saying they should die in that way. I was saying I was policying them out of the game. Killing them IN THE GAME.

like what is wrong with you. I said nothing of what you have said here.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hey Marry and Ceph.

I want Robert Hunter dead today. Can we put pressure there instead

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Secondly no one was saying they should die in that way. I was saying I was policying them out of the game. Killing them IN THE GAME.

Oh, I misunderstood that. There were

multiple

people who instead of doing constructive criticism did just... harsh criticism.
I said what I wanted to say to the topic. If you want to forget it, I am fine with it. If you want to dig deeper in it, I am fine with it, but I will dig too.

I really want to know what compelled you to use ableist language when no one else used that language. Like where do you think any player in this game said things like that.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I want Robert Hunter dead today.

Is this despite understanding his crumb, or because you understood it, or despite not understanding it?

-S

It is a small town game. Anyone can have any role. I don't care about crumbs or roles. I think they are not town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It is a small town game. Anyone can have any role. I don't care about crumbs or roles. I think they are not town.

Just because anyone can have any role does not mean that people can't play their role in an alignment-indicative way.

Did you understand the crumb?

-S

I am not looking for crumbs so suffice to say no.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If they want to claim they can but I am not stopping my pressure brcsuse they have a "role".

Like Terrorist picks first you know that right

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Okay well either way I am just saying a crumb is not sufficient for me to be okay not killing someone with Robert's post history

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Secondly no one was saying they should die in that way. I was saying I was policying them out of the game. Killing them IN THE GAME.

Oh, I misunderstood that. There were

multiple

people who instead of doing constructive criticism did just... harsh criticism.
I said what I wanted to say to the topic. If you want to forget it, I am fine with it. If you want to dig deeper in it, I am fine with it, but I will dig too.

I really want to know what compelled you to use ableist language when no one else used that language. Like where do you think any player in this game said things like that.

I am not native in English, in my language retarded is a sever offence of one's intellect, and I assumed that it has the same meaning in English. No one said it, but I found that it describes the tone how people talked to Mognet well.

Yeah you can't say that at all in English.

Also, you have ti understand the difference between saying someone is havibg bad ideas and being wrong and being overconfident about their wrong ideas

And suggesting someone has a disability.

Huge huge difference. Like. It is one thing to argue someone is being wrong or not okay in a game. It's quite another to interpret that or imply someone... Honestly there is a lot to unpack in that reading.

Like first of all associating it with a disability

Second kf all associating disability to lack of intelligence....

Like it is just... A lot.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like just don't do that. Okay?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I wasn't looking for crumbs either. It was very obvious.

-S

If it is that obvious, show me then.

At this point you have put it in the open so it is only bad for town to not discuss it at this point.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I wasn't looking for crumbs either. It was very obvious.

-S

If it is that obvious, show me then.

At this point you have put it in the open so it is only bad for town to not discuss it at this point.

her main utility to scum was served by confirming to them that there was no town eavesdropper.

Let's just say I am the town mirror version of this kind of thinking.

Whatever this means, I assume, is the crumb

... SO HE JUST CLAIMED HE HAS A ROLE THAT IS GOOD FOR SCUM

WHICH WILL BECOME OBVIOUS WHEN HE DOESNT HAVE A NUKE

HOW IS THIS CLAIM WORTH SPAREING WHAT THE FUCK

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Him claiming it doesn't make him more townier it makes him NAI for that.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

RMH is town. I don't see him making those posts as scum at this point.

why are people voting this slot again?

Like we never vote this slot unless RMH flips scum and even then it's less likely.

All T3 voters should be on RMH right now.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

*pokes LLD*

What?

I've posted!

I want Robert dead!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Robert I don’t even think you were in much danger of an elim?

What’s going on?

Lady seems to be in high regard, and since she's focused on me, I'm just going to roll over as planned

I'm sorry, who thought this was town again?

ahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahah

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Bell. Titus. This is probably my last fuckign day alive.

You both get nukes tomorrow. I don't get to have nukes anymore. Give me what I fucking want.

I want the person who is literally ASKING TO DIE.

ARE YOU GOIJNG TO LET SOMEONE WHO ASKS TO DIE LIVE

[Lady Lambdadelta]

DUDE I WAS RIGHT YESTERDAY.

I AM THE VICE PRESIDENT. CURRENT ACTING PRESIDENT.

GIVE ME MY FUCKING DUES. PUT RESPECT ON MY NAME.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Bell. Titus. This is probably my last fuckign day alive.

You both get nukes tomorrow. I don't get to have nukes anymore. Give me what I fucking want.

I want the person who is literally ASKING TO DIE.

ARE YOU GOIJNG TO LET SOMEONE WHO ASKS TO DIE LIVE

I feel sorry for you that people aren't rushing to help you eliminate a

self-voting low-hanging-fruit player

who literally said he'd be more useful dead than alive.

That must be a monumental blow to your gargantuan ego

Ah yes, the height of good play.

Someone calls me scum so I throw a tantrum and vote myself, then grief them and try to bait them into a fight by insulting them.

Buddy, please grow up.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like regardless of your alignment, all you're doing is getting upset that someone thought you were scum and decided to push you, and so you decided to vote yourself and and cry about how unfair it is and insult other people.

Like congrats, people thought you were scum, it will happen. Now please get some maturity to play the game.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm going to bed. People should vote this person, I don't really have a scum read on Nexus and VFP is... kind of in my blindspot so I'll look at him when I'm not as frustrated with everything.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

try to bait them into a fight by insulting them.

Yes, you're above that.

I'm certainly fucking trying to be. But look, here's a second insult to my character and not my play.

I am asking you directly to stop, and play the game. And am personally hoping you don't so when the mods come and review you trying to bait me like this, they can see the 3 clear strikes that were setup here and I won't have to deal with you anymore.

I am asking you to stop. Point blank.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

pretty quickly people who were familiar with mastina's meta scumread her and pushed on her, to varying degrees of confidence and agreement. the consensus of the scumread was essentially mastina's playstyle was easily readable for players here to her being scum, and her readlist and general posting was unnecessarily long + fake.

This also feels inaccurate, honestly. LLD, the primary pusher of the mastina wagon, argued that mastina should be killed because her playstyle was anti-town (and also because she thought she was scum, but that was secondary).

-S

I mean, at least portray them as equal. I scumread Mastina first before I went on that crusade, lol.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I mean, at least portray them as equal. I scumread Mastina first before I went on that crusade, lol.

Maybe, but at least to me it didn't feel like they were equal.

-S

I have proven in multiple games prior that I am willing to let a town mastina live against my better judgement.

This game, I simply stopped caring if she was possibly down due to a misread. I justified that my read was strong enough to want to kill her, and my desire to see her out of the game was strong enough that I didn't care if I was wrong.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Well my reads still suck, but I guess all's well that ends well. Not the most thrilling of conclusions, but I enjoyed...most of you, obvious exceptions aside.


It was an honor returning to serve with you all one last time, but now I must bid you farewell and return to monke.

Lt. gorilla, Over and Out.

You did great. Well played.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I think the WIFOM from the Ali/Mena slot works if they use the suicide command to die and reveal themselves as scum and thus play the wifom more for an intercept

but the truth is this game was mathematically solved going into today, even despite Ali's failed reaction to IV, so it's hard to be too upset

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't have any comments about the mechanics or quality of the game.

I was extremely disappointed in the moderation this game. Time and time again Cakez failed to intervene to protect his players, substituting it for warnings that were blatantly ignored as it was clear they had no teeth behind them. There were too many moments to list, but suffice to say that the moderation team felt 2 bans were warranted as a result of this game while Cakez did not feel they were even worth a forcereplacement. I will openly comment on Reck's since I was one of the reporting parties and gave Cakez a lot of feedback privately, which I felt went nowhere.

I do not feel comfortable signing up for a game moderated by Cakez ever again. He let down and failed to protect multiple players this game, both before and after replaceout, and failed to intervene in even the most egregious scenarios that took place after my replaceout.

Even in a world in which Reck didn't deserve to be forcereplaced for flaming Merlot, the fact that he celebrated and was gleeful and unrepentant publicly in thread about causing 1/2 replaceouts - who could no longer post or respond to his victory lap- was revolting and absolutely deserved a forcereplacement/ban.

I don't believe Mods can currently force replace players without List Mod approval?

And once it's reported I think that's a "Speed of moderation decision" thing, right?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i think that nuking your own partner like that is p close to a throw tbh

I got too caught up with a WIFOM play that I forgot clears existed.

yeah I'm not sure killing fighter was an option there

like you know me, I'm the queen of loving weird spacing kills to throw town off balance but

cop->doc scenario is.... very very bad and you gotta handle it quick.

Especialy with 4 dead evil people of 6.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Interception takes 24 hours which I think Alisae didn't realize.

I thought it was 12 hours as well.
I legit got demotivated and stopped paying attention to the thread.

I only realized that nuking Bingle for the wifom play was a throw a bit after I did it and I broke under IV's pressure when I shouldn't have because I was recalling what actually happened and if I just let it play it it was fine.

Yeah you 100% could have just done a deny deny deny thign and been fine.

Like "oh I just assumed it was obvious" or something.

fits your personality, sounds right

you def. didn't have to fall to that. but we all live and learn from mistakes ye?

I don't think it would have been enough to win this game regardless but it definitely sealed it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I understand your perspective for why you chose not to forcereplace them and appreciated the response; at some point we simply disagree which is why I did not continue it via PM. The purpose of my post is that I wanted to make it clear that failing to protect your players has consequences that do not disappear when the game is over: that people will both replace out, and consecutively not sign up for, your games in the future.

This does not extend to you as a player or person, and is only speaking for myself (and no one else) on you as a moderator.

I'm really curious what you would have done in Cakez's shoes here.

Like what would you have done about the things in this game and what do you feel wasn't done?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Skimming the dead PT, I also want to take a moment to quote this.

I am saying Mastina is scum... And also her playstyle needs a yeet out of this game to learn a lesson.

Infact this is a lesson that Prism taught me in an argument we were having so I don't know why Prism is so upset.

I don't know what you're referring to here specifically. My guess is that it is my discussion of how the site meta has not adapted to figure out how to punish hyperposters,

which was not encouraging policying them but for the site to strategically come up with ways to counteract or circumvent its effectiveness.

For any other reason, I am not above using threat of a policy as an incentive to change behavior midgame, and I have my own problems with not treating players with an adequate level of respect that to be frank is happening with a disturbingly increased frequency. While circumstantially different, those were still wrong and I would have appreciated intervention.

That said, regardless of source, if the lesson you learned from me is to policy players whose playstyle you dislike, even before they become a problem, I sincerely wish that you unlearn it as quickly as possible.

I want to make that clear but really don't want to continue this further as the conversation has shifted to be more about the substantive issues with the slot. Feel free to take the last word but unless you explicitly require a response from me I will leave it there.

My perspective is unchanged. If that was your takeaway from our conversation it is unfortunate.

I would still like to know what your solution to the problem is.

Like, I accept that you think my solution was not optimal. So I'm really wondering what yours would be instead.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Interception takes 24 hours which I think Alisae didn't realize.

I thought it was 12 hours as well.
I legit got demotivated and stopped paying attention to the thread.

I only realized that nuking Bingle for the wifom play was a throw a bit after I did it and I broke under IV's pressure when I shouldn't have because I was recalling what actually happened and if I just let it play it it was fine.

Yeah you 100% could have just done a deny deny deny thign and been fine.

Like "oh I just assumed it was obvious" or something.

fits your personality, sounds right

you def. didn't have to fall to that. but we all live and learn from mistakes ye?

I don't think it would have been enough to win this game regardless but it definitely sealed it.

Ya, that actually sounds better haha.
I saw those IV posts I panicked you really do need a cool head to play this alignment and I feel like that's pretty hard for me to maintain tbh

It's sometimes better not to post until you know what you want to happen.

Like IV brought that up right? So until you actually made a post, you didn't need to respond, you could have been away.

So you could have taken your time to just... think about it, think what would be bought as a statement, and move forward

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Honestly, im still a little butt hurt over LLD getting all the credit for "finding" mastina. I feel my case was actually a case and LadyLambdaDeltas was just "lets kill mastina because shes mastina. I didnt talk much about this during the game, because I didnt want to draw to much attention to myself with the PR.

ahahahahha

[Lady Lambdadelta]

To be clear I called Mastina scum in Defcon 4.

I'd been calling her scum for a while. It wasn't just "because she's Mastina."

But I got credit because I drove the wagon the hardest. You did the right thing to lay low and vote correctly.

Like, I shut up on Day 2 because I scumread VFP but was pushing elsewhere and just didn't want to distract at a certain point.

Sometimes knowing when to be quiet and let people who are in control drive the bus is okay.

You played well Vax. Even if you didn't get the towncred, you get credit after the game for good reads

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Large Social Game

like survivor