In post 93, T3 wrote:Town:RM
Lean town: Rathe, Ivy
Null: Clasko
Lean scum: orctin, Andante
Scum: Dem
So basically anyone with Rathe is town - anyone who questions him is scum
Only scum read in absolutes on Day 1 with no info there
If they are masons then at this point they might as well say so cause by what being said scum already know - if not then it's a sidetrack arguement to sow doubt among town
Everyone's a fool in some ways, we all can only try.
In post 289, Ivyeo wrote:Like, #96 could be a genuine misread or other misunderstanding of Rathe’s arguments, but it also could just be a scum intentionally misinterpreting things.
What did I misunderstand about Rathe's arguments when it was Orctin I was replying to? with that question?
The first part replied to Rathe, not the ending.
Everyone's a fool in some ways, we all can only try.
If you practise in tryhard games, you actually can become worse not better because good players don't consistently leak tells or react to your reads the same way, so that's also why I quit 'tryhard mafia' for a long time.
It gets frustrating and unrewarding. However, I've got a taste for it on another forum when a game turned up and want to play it regularly now.
Everyone's a fool in some ways, we all can only try.
I don't think you people realise that sometimes saying things to see reaction to those things gets more done than saying nothing at all. Not every post has to make perfect sense and get you townread, at least that's not how I see it.
Everyone's a fool in some ways, we all can only try.
I'll quote later if need be but basically, Andante's reads follow this pattern:
Those that scumread her are scum.
OMGUS is not always a scum trait, it can be but it's not the rule.
Those that townread those that scumread her lean scum or are unreadable.
I do not recall this being the case, back this up with quotes if you can
Those that lurk are scum.
Same as #2
Those that go gentle on her despite contributing are town.
Same as #3
I have found that this adds up to mean she is either scum or is detrimental to Town if she is Town. It's not just who, it's the why. The actual reasoning behind her reads is always reading as 'let me say something to justify it' not ever wow, Andante has properly analysed this player and makes a decent point.
For instance, when I asked her what kind of meta read led her to scumread T3 she gets furious at me and tells me to reread his games. Then, says nothing more.
When she scumreads Clasko, she lists the quotes, says some generic reason for it being scummy and doesn't even remotely justify it, Clasko could easily be her partner that she tried to soft-bus (bussing where you intend to ubvote them but just in case, your vote makes you look towny later). Orctin coukd also be her partner, both have a very strange set of interactions where Orctin and Andante are two of the most active players and it's a cutthroat atmosphere yet neither has attacked the other at all, in fact Andante did quite Orctin's read on her and soecified how ridiculous it was which Orctin ignored and Andante later tells me ahe has absolutely no read on him (she should scumread him).
I can see why you think that this makes them scum but I heavily disagree. In previous games they acted very much on emotion and got extremely pissed off at people pushing them, calling them scum in return.
"Am I a ghost like you, caught between the seams of two intertwining melodies?"
An undertoned agenda that could be interpreted in JacksonVorgo's decebt posts are to attacke and anyone they feel is viable to take the heat off of Andante. I did notice this but I did and do currently Town read it. I do notice it however, I'd like to see JV and Andante grill one another a little.
Did you read that game I linked you, they're acting
insanely
like that game and I am not wanting to eliminate that on day 1. You're also throwing me in there simply because your reads do not align with my own, and that's weak reasonings. Also you expect me to throw my reads away to grill a town-read of mine? Serious?
"Am I a ghost like you, caught between the seams of two intertwining melodies?"
An undertoned agenda that could be interpreted in JacksonVorgo's decebt posts are to attacke and anyone they feel is viable to take the heat off of Andante. I did notice this but I did and do currently Town read it. I do notice it however, I'd like to see JV and Andante grill one another a little.
Did you read that game I linked you, they're acting
insanely
like that game and I am not wanting to eliminate that on day 1. You're also throwing me in there simply because your reads do not align with my own, and that's weak reasonings. Also you expect me to throw my reads away to grill a town-read of mine? Serious?
In post 308, JacksonVirgo wrote:You're also throwing me in there simply because your reads do not align with my own, and that's weak reasonings. Also you expect me to throw my reads away to grill a town-read of mine? Serious?
Grilling doesn't hurt.
100%, his reaction is so hilarious because his entire post did what I said he's been doing to hide his agenda, now he makes it crystal-clear blatant.
He only has to click ISO on Andante and read any read at all that she's revealed vs what she's avoided.
She refuses to out reads on people who don't townread someone scumreading her, she scumreads anyone who scumreads her and is hostile to anyone who townreads them. This is the entire basis on which she has developed any reads this game.
If Andante plays terrible as town consistently, it is up to her to improve not up to me to factor in unless it is proven she plays superior and justified read superior to this as Scum.
Everyone's a fool in some ways, we all can only try.
An undertoned agenda that could be interpreted in JacksonVorgo's decebt posts are to attacke and anyone they feel is viable to take the heat off of Andante. I did notice this but I did and do currently Town read it. I do notice it however, I'd like to see JV and Andante grill one another a little.
Did you read that game I linked you, they're acting
insanely
like that game and I am not wanting to eliminate that on day 1. You're also throwing me in there simply because your reads do not align with my own, and that's weak reasonings. Also you expect me to throw my reads away to grill a town-read of mine? Serious?
I don't really see how that proves she plays better as Scum. I have given her several opportunities and she has only tried to dodge me at first by focusing on T3 after doing the same thing by focusing on Clasko before him. Then she moved onto me now out of nowhere.
Everyone's a fool in some ways, we all can only try.
I'll quote later if need be but basically, Andante's reads follow this pattern:
Those that scumread her are scum.
OMGUS is not always a scum trait, it can be but it's not the rule.
Those that townread those that scumread her lean scum or are unreadable.
I do not recall this being the case, back this up with quotes if you can
Those that lurk are scum.
Same as #2
Those that go gentle on her despite contributing are town.
Same as #3
I have found that this adds up to mean she is either scum or is detrimental to Town if she is Town. It's not just who, it's the why. The actual reasoning behind her reads is always reading as 'let me say something to justify it' not ever wow, Andante has properly analysed this player and makes a decent point.
For instance, when I asked her what kind of meta read led her to scumread T3 she gets furious at me and tells me to reread his games. Then, says nothing more.
When she scumreads Clasko, she lists the quotes, says some generic reason for it being scummy and doesn't even remotely justify it, Clasko could easily be her partner that she tried to soft-bus (bussing where you intend to ubvote them but just in case, your vote makes you look towny later). Orctin coukd also be her partner, both have a very strange set of interactions where Orctin and Andante are two of the most active players and it's a cutthroat atmosphere yet neither has attacked the other at all, in fact Andante did quite Orctin's read on her and soecified how ridiculous it was which Orctin ignored and Andante later tells me ahe has absolutely no read on him (she should scumread him).
I can see why you think that this makes them scum but I heavily disagree. In previous games they acted very much on emotion and got extremely pissed off at people pushing them, calling them scum in return.
the 'gentle' proves itself true, for instance Rathe voted me and Andante instantly was gentle with Rathe, Clasko outed a towny vibe-read on me in one of his first posts, then lurked, Andante instantly justifies a scumread based on that then out of nowhere switches to T3 because he sticks to townreading me and scumreading Andante.
Why are you against grilling your townread? That is pretty ridiculous, no offence. How do you make sure your townread is actually town without said part of the determining?
Andante's ISO posts make everything I am saying crystal clear, do you expect me to quote her entire posting history because 90% are gonna need to be used to prove myself correct if you want every applicable quote.
Everyone's a fool in some ways, we all can only try.
whatever, I'm claiming, I'm the doctor, I'm literally dead tonight, so go find scum. thanks. I'm actually getting annoyed by the nonstop pushing on me from you
