Newbie 2062: The Hubble Telescope - End!

[orctin]

@T3

full reads?

Town: Andante
Lean town: JV, VFP, Demainer
Null: orctin
Lean scum: Rational, Ivy
Scum: Rathe[/quote]

Lets just refresh that one

At this time this post was made T3 wasn't really being voted much - just myself i think so his Scum note on Rathe makes me put him low on the partner list

Right now i'm looking at Demainer, Rational, Jackson, Ivy as the top scum partners - it's to late in the night at moment for me to really go back and reread a lot to looks for more clues for links to T3, will do so tomorrow after work

I had taken noted of peoples townreads/scumreads - (up to the past weekend i was out for 2 days)
T3's included Ivy, Rational, Rathe
His scum reads included Demainer, orctin(myself) Andante, Rational
(i had gone thru making a cross list of everyone's scum/town reads but that was before i was out the past weekend so wasn't updated past then, I can post that cross-list if anyone wants it but you can easily build one as well)

Demainer - Your top of my list right now and love to hear how you plan to react to Day 2 now

Rational's sudden "i'm going to back seat", and his claiming to be "instrumental in the T3 elim " as the first post of day 2 is suspect

[RationalMadman]

Right now i'm looking at Demainer, Rational, Jackson, Ivy as the top scum partners

You do understand that I had an opportunity to vote Rathe through to elimination, an opportunity to join in a bandwagon on VFP who already had 3 against them and chose to join you voting T3...

[RationalMadman]

Or maybe VFP had only 2 at that point, I am not 100% sure, I just saw a bandwagon building on what was Clasko (as VFP replaced) and townread VFP's reactions and posts upon return.

[Ivyeo]

Welp, Good work rest of town, I was evidently wrong on T3

it was all a reaction test i wanted to see how people would react

Got any reads off of that other than Jackson?

[RationalMadman]

We have seven alive and 1 scum, this meams we have literally 2 free shots and a third non-free shot on top
Voting Demainer, Jackson and Ivyeo in any order renders us a Town win, in my opinion. I'm aware people are getting annoyed with me talking as some kind of leader, so I just say this to let conversation about it take place. I'm fairly certain Town has guaranteed win if they stick to that order.

[RationalMadman]

Demainer into Jackson into Ivyeo is optimal in my opinion.

[RationalMadman]

When I say 'Town' and 'they', I often like to stop the 'we' and 'us thinking and picture the game from a neutral perspective, this is a habit I gained after my long hiatus from the website. I don't believe in 'we' or 'them' mattering when discussing strategies. I am very sure scum is in those three and is hoping we somehow foolishly think bussing happened.

[RationalMadman]

As you can see ,i said 'we' there, it's interchangeable for me. I am happy to vote Demainer if others are on board.

[VFP]

I don't think scum ever bus T3 there.
Rathe is the only one who was backed in the corner but I town read Rathe for sticking around and dropping the hammer.

So after a read during the night I am at the following.

Ivy
Rational
Orc
Rathe

Jackson

Dem

VOTE: Demainer

[RationalMadman]

VOTE: Demainer

[Rathe]

Got any reads off of that other than Jackson?

Jackson is the only one that stood out more than anyone else

[Rathe]

im trying to decide if the reaction was genuine or fake

[Rathe]

as far as T3 i dont think there would be bussing on day 1 with only 2 mafia

[Rathe]

n i don’t wanna think about what if i like to think about what makes logical sense n bussing just doesnt

[Rathe]

if we ever play future games together n u lie about a fake role or claim something weird i will most likely vote u

[Rathe]

i think the tracker needs to look at rational if rational is in fact not the tracker

[Rathe]

ive never actually townread him strongly

[Rathe]

i will wait for demainer to come before i vote there

[VFP]

I think the tracker should claim today and say who they checked.
It either wins the game (if tracker hasn't posted) or ensures that a confirmed town can lead the game tomorrow.

I say this because the pool of tracker is small and I doubt me, Rathe, or Radiant will be killed tonight due to this fact.

It's food for thought though and I'd suggest the tracker not claiming until hearing people's views on this.

Or we just lim Dem and assume we win this way.

[JacksonVirgo]

Or we could hypoclaim so that we have more clears with a tracker even if they die.

[JacksonVirgo]

So rathr is going to try and pretend that yesterday was a rxn test

[orctin]

Demainer is the one i would fist vote but would like to hear from him first so waiting on that cause scum can easily be someone else but he was the one most pushing me so naturally i'm pushing his way to start

And i do agree - at this point if the tracker does come out an claim it will clear 2 people and narrow the pool list down - in our position i think town can easily win this with the right vote today. Worst case it forces the remaining scum to fake claim a tracker as well which i dont see them doing.

[JacksonVirgo]

Objectively speaking, Tracker outting today without a guilty is doing Town a dirty.

If we all claim a clear on someone, with VTs claiming someone that they would have checked as Tracker. Tracker actually telling their actual result. Once the Tracker dies, all the people that are cleared will become fully cleared, this also makes Town likely get much more results without sacrificing the Tracker in return.

If a VT claims a clear on a Mafia, it will of course label them as not tracker but it is MILES better than just yeeting the tracker immediately.

[JacksonVirgo]

6v1 as we speak
2 of which would be confirmed if Tracker outs today.
That would essentially force the scum to never clear anybody as ​they have set up two kills.

Objectively it is a 66.6% chance that scum kill someone that is not Tracker nor the clear. Which means that by tomorrow we will likely have 3 people clear of being scum instead of two. This is also doubled down by the Tracker clear likely being someone in the lower-tier of the Town which is unlikely to be killed at night anyway. And if that happens, Tracker could get yet another clear and/or a guilty.

Compare that to forcing their death today. Making us be forced to solve in 4. It's objectively the better idea to hypoclaim here

[JacksonVirgo]

I will start this.

I cleared Orc, their SR on Rathe seemed somewhat forced to me yestergameday.