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[Vasex]

And he was confident that im wrong about kitty and enchant. So it makes 3 townies and 1 scum Andre. I think he understood his fail in that moment.

[Vasex]

Mark, do you agree that Andre and xp are scums, if nero flips town?

[Vasex]

Especially if std flips scum too.
So it looks like they were trying to save std killing innocent nero

[Marky Mark]

And he was confident that im wrong about kitty and enchant. So it makes 3 townies and 1 scum Andre. I think he understood his fail in that moment.

You've got it backwards - it makes you/nero look scummy and Andre look towny. Enchant also looks towny as a byproduct of their wagon being a rival to the wagon that went through against scum T3.

[Marky Mark]

IF Nero flips town then yes clearly people that were pushing Nero will look scummier by association, but tbqh Andres and XP's reasons for pushing Nero make sense.

[samantha97]

i dont know if samantha thinks he mafia or not maybe i missed it

I don't even remember any dunnstral posts this game

but the conclusion I came to in the nancy vs titus game was that, while town and mafia games seem kind of similar on the surface, his town games have passion behind his posts

[Vasex]

I think A50 is town

quick reminder
a50 and artemiana were in that game with t3 3-4 night cop (anya was also there but she is dead town; anya sr ana much)
a50 has come too late, so maybe he skipped that info, ok maybe (really?)
but artemiana was in that game and in this game
both artemiana and anastasia thought that t3 is town
now anastasia is voting std

xp doesnt want to vote std
andre doesnt want to vote std

even nero said he thinks std is town, and he thinks that the only scummy thing std done: he said that andre is town

we need to think about it
why people who knew that t3 has claimed n3-n4 cop kept silence about that?
anya had the explanation, that she died early and didnt see the roles...
artemiana cannot answer this now
a50?

[Nero Cain]

There's a big difference between bussing a partner whose wagon looks like it is gonna go through anyways and s

tarting the wagon in the first place.

t3 was already a wagon b4 andre even posted.

T3 [3] - Etine, DeathNote, WindowsXP

and t3 had already reached an 8 man wagon

T3 [8] - Etine, Andresvmb, Rathe, WindowsXP, Kerset, Marky Mark, Enchant, samantha97

while the most andre had said about t3 was

I’ve been pretty pinged by T3, would blow it up.

well, t3 would have never been lynched without andre's tireless yelling that t3 was scum.

but I don't think that's true and its kinda condensing to argue that we need andre to show us the way b/c we all can't play or some shit.

Your premise doesn't fit the facts here.

[Dunnstral]

i dont know if samantha thinks he mafia or not maybe i missed it

I don't even remember any dunnstral posts this game

but the conclusion I came to in the nancy vs titus game was that, while town and mafia games seem kind of similar on the surface, his town games have passion behind his posts

You should read my posts

[Dunnstral]

Your argument is the logical opposite of Rathe's argument, who is saying that I'm scum for posting more on day 2

[Vasex]

std, is it not suspicious to you what windows said about you in this day when he tried to explain why he sees you as scum? it was so fake explanation in my opinion, and you, std, should understand is it a fake even better from your position, knowing dkkoba etc.

[samantha97]

I'm not actually making an argument just giving counsel

[NDMath]

Convinced by the arguments on this slot more than on nero or Windows.
VOTE: Dragons

which arguments

kerset's 3625
vasex's 3526
This has also been in my mind:

Dunn vs STD giving me tvt vibes.

11 votes is a lot of votes.

I should help. Idle votes are the mafia's handiwork right?

VOTE: Vote: T3

Btw, someone claimed this was an |idle" vote. Checking the VC on

the same page

though shows this:

T3 [1] - Etine

So, how can a SECOND VOTE on a wagon on PAGE FIVE be called "idle"??

Note: The way I understood ND's post is: NOT VOTING HELPS SCUM, so I'm going to do something with my vote rather than NOT VOTE.

I hadn't explained the why.
For me it's the awkward phrase about mafia's work while voting a mafia in combination with those other two early posts.

[Vasex]

yeah, IN FACT Andre missed BOTH huge wagons on t3 on the day one
not 1 wagon, but 2 wagons. his screaming about t3 was only between wagons. and this doesnt help to gain t3 votes at all. t3 started again to collect votes after fail attempt to elim me (his hard town), then after enchant-kerset's case against t3
so i still have a question about Mark
is it bad play or is it scum play?
help me to understand

[Nero Cain]

like Mark, I think you are giving Andre way more credit for the t3 wagon than he deserves. I don't think he was this super duper influential member of the t3 wagon. Getting town cred for yelling that someone already suspected as scum is what he's banking on. but clearly, scum doesn't do that.

[Nero Cain]

yeah, IN FACT Andre missed BOTH huge wagons on t3 on the day one

naw, he was on that OG 8 man wagon. I mean he wasn't on any of the VC's in the 1.30's but I was counting that as 1 continuous wagon.

[Marky Mark]

yeah, IN FACT Andre missed BOTH huge wagons on t3 on the day one
not 1 wagon, but 2 wagons. his screaming about t3 was only between wagons. and this doesnt help to gain t3 votes at all. t3 started again to collect votes after fail attempt to elim me (his hard town), then after enchant-kerset's case against t3
so i still have a question about Mark
is it bad play or is it scum play?
help me to understand

Right so you reckon that Andre is scum who lurked hard and then just came out of lurking to push his scum PR buddy at the end of the day when several other viable wagons were available?

[Marky Mark]

well, t3 would have never been lynched without andre's tireless yelling that t3 was scum. but I don't think that's true and its kinda condensing to argue that we need andre to show us the way b/c we all can't play or some shit.

This is ATE

[Vasex]

Right so you reckon that Andre is scum who lurked hard and then just came out of lurking to push his scum PR buddy at the end of the day when several other viable wagons were available?

any problems with that?
pushing without vote lol

[Nero Cain]

oh, noes I've shattered marks worldview and now he's going to vote me.

[bloodhail]

i dont like the dunnstral wagon

[Marky Mark]

It was late D1, people were trying to find a consensus and were moving votes around accordingly.

[Marky Mark]

Fwiw if Vasex continues to just lowkey discredit/flame me I'm just gonna lock my vote on him for D2 and not engage with him.

[Nero Cain]

my argument is fucking sound, stop ignoring it

[Vasex]

i was a bit wrong above
andre didn't miss the first wagon on t3, his vote was there
but he wasnt in the game during t3's claims and when he got most of all votes
so andre just missed all serious moments of the game
pushing t3 only when there is no big danger to t3