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Post Post #550 (ISO) » Sat May 08, 2021 8:37 am

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In post 409, Hectic wrote:Idk, I don't really see it being George and bugspray and George hard busses launchbait bugspray. I think they probably just lose in that scenario. Makes sense there's a scum controller on the actives
Well bugs basically scumclaimed in their most recent posts. Posting that you have 0 desires to help the paragons solve is a blatant scumclaim.
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Post Post #551 (ISO) » Sat May 08, 2021 8:37 am

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and to be fair, i guess for you to buy my theory you have to view the game in a similar fashion that i do which is hard anyways peace! no hard feelings btw you guys were fun to play with
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Post Post #552 (ISO) » Sat May 08, 2021 8:38 am

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In post 531, Lila Pitts wrote:when i selected vanya who selected klaus who selected me to finally select five. that ordering matters a lot in my opinion. creating that info is absolutely essential.
Probably important to note i never selected Klaus, i asked Klaus if they wanted to pick elim or I pick elim

and they chose a third option, give the elim pick to you
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Post Post #553 (ISO) » Sat May 08, 2021 8:39 am

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In post 542, Lila Pitts wrote:koba just hates me rn because i rushed the lim and it hurts their win condition but i don't know why they can't understand that blitzing the lim had to happen
lol we were absolutely correct to do that
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Post Post #554 (ISO) » Sat May 08, 2021 8:41 am

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In post 546, Allison Hargreeves wrote:
In post 542, Lila Pitts wrote:koba just hates me rn because i rushed the lim and it hurts their win condition but i don't know why they can't understand that blitzing the lim had to happen
nuthammering is ++++ev for scum because it means paragons dont get the first guesswin and people have less info for second guesswin.
It's also +ev for scum to reveal your identity to cause a quickhammer
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Post Post #555 (ISO) » Sat May 08, 2021 8:41 am

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In post 531, Lila Pitts wrote:i can explain my thought process on the baton idea

basically i knew that blitzing the lim would make it hard for the paragons to win and the likelihood of hitting scum in a setup like this on the first lim will less than EV because well, two scum. but its supposed to be counterbalanced by the fact that we can generate lots of info through analysis, and if we blitzed the lim with no strategy there wouldn't be anything to analyze. the baton pass gives us discernible info to analyze now, you have the piece of information of who made what decision, that's something to analyze instead of people just arbitrarily picking someone to lim. i don't know if that's too confusing to follow because i think on a superficial level, me picking five seems arbitrary. but there is a lot of meaning when i selected vanya who selected klaus who selected me to finally select five. that ordering matters a lot in my opinion. creating that info is absolutely essential. i don't think id go with a strategy like that as scum because im literally designing a mechanism to allow for the blitz strategy to prevent paragons from winning while preserving the benefits of info lims.
So what happened was Lila -> Vanya -> Klaus -> Lila

I get that this can generate info, and it's not the reason I think you're scum. You're scum from PoE more than anything else right now. Also, that line of decisions suggests a Klaus/Lila team if anything, unless you can draw some other info from it?
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Post Post #556 (ISO) » Sat May 08, 2021 8:42 am

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u could've brought it up if you felt that way, but u only did it way later asdfasdfadsf

i agree there was some ambiguity that kinda got erased by your actions idk how to feel, i think it points to you + klaus because there was no issue when i picked wrong aghh it doesn't really matter okay im going to go for real now this is either an actual misunderstanding or an invented misunderstanding and there's really no point in litigation
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Post Post #557 (ISO) » Sat May 08, 2021 8:43 am

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In post 126, Lila Pitts wrote:wait r u saying its five/allison
like if you iso and look at how many ppl she fucking says is it foo/bar we can fucking IM GONNA STATISTICS THIS BITRCH
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Post Post #558 (ISO) » Sat May 08, 2021 8:43 am

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Yea i dropped the ball on not saying something about it because i didnt trust my own five/alli reads enough
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Post Post #559 (ISO) » Sat May 08, 2021 8:44 am

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In post 139, Lila Pitts wrote:alternatively, ill pick someone to pick someone to pick who to lim
In post 140, Lila Pitts wrote:the very act of picking people should give us some info to work with if it fails but also we should have decent odds to hit it
but not pickx ytourself???
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Post Post #560 (ISO) » Sat May 08, 2021 8:44 am

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Alli do you think Five is scum
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Post Post #561 (ISO) » Sat May 08, 2021 8:45 am

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I get the feeling bugspray is intentionally typoing here, kinda scummy
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Post Post #562 (ISO) » Sat May 08, 2021 8:45 am

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In post 523, Lila Pitts wrote:i make big post to be ignored sadge
I will read your last game, you were Allison in that, right?

Allison is very obviously scum because they won’t even try. I still think it’s you though but your previous game will clarify for me.
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Post Post #563 (ISO) » Sat May 08, 2021 8:45 am

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In post 161, Klaus Hargreeves wrote:Er, I choose Lila?
In post 162, Lila Pitts wrote:r u choosing to lim me or for me to pick who to vote
this could be scum!klaus trying to defer to partner
tbh im not entirely sure of klaus but pitss scum is definite
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Post Post #564 (ISO) » Sat May 08, 2021 8:46 am

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nancy if you fucking put me as scum then its like a 322 buty you dont get anything out of it
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Post Post #565 (ISO) » Sat May 08, 2021 8:46 am

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In post 167, Lila Pitts wrote:klaus thinks its allison/five

vanya you think its klaus/allison ?
shotgunning reads tryinug to get someone, anyone eliminated
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Post Post #566 (ISO) » Sat May 08, 2021 8:47 am

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idk what to say hectic im town ive taken too many risks to be scum and done too many things that help the town win condition, and sure it indirectly helps the scum win condition too but there are better ways to lowkey help the scum win condition. i dont feel like i can win tho because you want to pick me + klaus/allison no matter what so the only thing im trying to do is townspew myself but if you disagree that my actions are protown and think my towntells dont apply this game like i really don't know lol its like a kafka novel

whatever okay bye for real

yes nancy i was allison last game

i literally self limmed last game and town lost and i felt like we partially lost because i self limmed, i actually had the right thread going (and solve) and could push on maruchan but i bought her stupid explanation of why she wasn't responding because it was too funny not too believe. i ended being ic and i felt like i was the best at townspewing and pooky seemed to agree which is why i didn't want to self lim this game because i thought i could just townspew again but apparently not i really don't know
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Post Post #567 (ISO) » Sat May 08, 2021 8:47 am

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Allison Hargreeves wrote:[quote="In [url=https:<em class="Highlight" match="//" loopnumber="810191077" style="padding: 1px; box-shadow: rgb(229, 229, 229) 1px 1px; border-radius: 3px; -webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 205); font-style: inherit;">//</em>forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=12744875#p12744875]post 167[/url], Lila Pitts"]klaus thinks its allison/five

vanya you think its klaus/allison ?
shotgunning reads tryinug to get someone, anyone eliminated[/quote]Well those were my and Klaus's actual reads at the time

But yes i feel those reads pointed to killing Alli instead of Five
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Post Post #568 (ISO) » Sat May 08, 2021 8:50 am

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In post 242, Lila Pitts wrote:im okapoka its fairly obv

with nobody wanting to pick who to kill in the trio (and basically playing hot potato with the pick), i feel like scum would've seized the opportunity to go for a kill or would've been complacent knowing that they couldn't have been picked so basically it led me to the idea that it was five/allison or vanya/klaus and well vanya/klaus were online to yeet five and i did feel like time was a bit pressing since i felt fairly obvious, vanya felt fairly obvious, and allison im pretty sure outted themselves before they even posted
i dont see this logic at all
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Post Post #569 (ISO) » Sat May 08, 2021 8:51 am

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okay im town because if i was scum i would be trying to appear townie since the hammer because i know i still have to do something to win. the fact i tjhought i lost means that im toiwn
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Post Post #570 (ISO) » Sat May 08, 2021 8:51 am

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Post Post #571 (ISO) » Sat May 08, 2021 8:51 am

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Idk that might actually be right
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Post Post #572 (ISO) » Sat May 08, 2021 8:51 am

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Idk that might actually be right
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Post Post #573 (ISO) » Sat May 08, 2021 8:52 am

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In post 564, Allison Hargreeves wrote:nancy if you fucking put me as scum then its like a 322 buty you dont get anything out of it
????

I have no clue what you’re trying to say with this?

I just don’t understand why scum!Klaus drags his feet on town!Five elim.

If I’m scum!Klaus here, I struggle to hide my overwhelming enthusiasm and glee that both me and my partner are safe.

So, if Klaus is actually scum, the only one he could be scum with is Lila.
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Post Post #574 (ISO) » Sat May 08, 2021 8:52 am

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In post 254, Lila Pitts wrote:thats a bad argument vanya, using probability is not a reason to towncase yourself i mean when was the last time scum was like yeah let's coinflip
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