DEFCON Mafia 5.0: GAME OVER - NEW AMERICA FORMED

[Mognet]

Let's just say I am the town mirror version of this kind of thinking.

i'm not sure what this statement means

Then don’t ask questions about it Dr Strange Kupo.
Just examine Cat Mirror Kupo and if they’re American let it be. Maybe give the cat scritches.

[joqiza]

nvm i get it

i think it's blatantly obvious actually ftr so yeah

[Mognet]

I don’t get it Dr Strange Kupo and you don’t get it either. You missed something

In fact we aren’t going to talk about this anymore

What are some of your reads?

[joqiza]

contingent on town!Mognet, Save the Dragons and maybe Church were positioned where I'd expect scum to be positioned around a TvT but i hadn't really finished my reading yet

[Mognet]

contingent on town!Mognet, Save the Dragons and maybe Church were positioned where I'd expect scum to be positioned around a TvT but i hadn't really finished my reading yet

A TvT Kupo?

There was only one wagon?

I think Church is scum possibly but not as strong as yesterday.

[samantha97]

Come to think of it, why would Marry Kupo if scum fake claim eavesdropper while scum buddy being wagoned?

Marry Kupo is likely an American.

I thought marry did the eavesdropper thing early on but they did it at l-1

if I wanna be really paranoid I'd say that that argument is exactly why they'd do it

but you're probably right

[joqiza]

i don't have a case prepared anything. these were just things i noticed that i wanted to explore.

the TvT between you and me, kupo.

my assumption is that scum were not focused on the wagons yesterday, but were instead planning forward.

[Mognet]

Come to think of it, why would Marry Kupo if scum fake claim eavesdropper while scum buddy being wagoned?

Marry Kupo is likely an American.

I thought marry did the eavesdropper thing early on but they did it at l-1

if I wanna be really paranoid I'd say that that argument is exactly why they'd do it

but you're probably right

Then you are voting them because why Kupo?

[Mognet]

i don't have a case prepared anything. these were just things i noticed that i wanted to explore.

the TvT between you and me, kupo.

my assumption is that scum were not focused on the wagons yesterday, but were instead planning forward.

If yesterday was a bus yes.
If Mastina was elimmed due to inactivity no.

I am not sure of reads right now and just trying to prevent silly missives

[samantha97]

mognet who is mafia

and why is it lady lambdadelta

[Mognet]

eavesdropper here guys. mafia said they like big butts? not really sure what to make of this, would really appreciate some help. more at 11.

It did not seem just at l-1 Samantha Kupo.

Please explain yourself. Why are you not unvoting Marry?

Pedit:

Again I do not know. If I must hazard a hypothesis it would be you but I don’t have enough of an explanation to push you yet.

I do not think LLD is scum.

[samantha97]

jeez you really are hung up about votes that don't do anything aren't you UNVOTE:

[joqiza]

the post that pinged me from Save the Dragons on rr 1595. it feels like he is too aware of the fallacy of mognet's argument.

like i feel bad about this read in a sense cuz he was defending me there. but my intuition tells me that town reading my argument w/ mognet would be more likely to be unsure... or even just have their eyes glaze over.

i think mafia would deductively have the information to deduce it as a TvT quicker and so better understand... the intricacies of what was happening, if that makes sense?

i accept that the case i'm making here is largely circumstantial and it's not something i'm willing to commit to yet. it is also conditional on mognet actually being town. it's just where my mind is at rn.

[Mognet]

jeez you really are hung up about votes that don't do anything aren't you UNVOTE:

Every missive and stamp tells a story.

You if town should want yours to be as accurate as possible.

Furthermore stamps leave an impression of a wagon/popular opinion.

Sometimes a stamp is investigative Kupo.

Like this one.

VOTE: Samantha97

[samantha97]

lol

[Mognet]

the post that pinged me from Save the Dragons on rr 1595. it feels like he is too aware of the fallacy of mognet's argument.

like i feel bad about this read in a sense cuz he was defending me there. but my intuition tells me that town reading my argument w/ mognet would be more likely to be unsure... or even just have their eyes glaze over.

i think mafia would deductively have the information to deduce it as a TvT quicker and so better understand... the intricacies of what was happening, if that makes sense?

i accept that the case i'm making here is largely circumstantial and it's not something i'm willing to commit to yet. it is also conditional on mognet actually being town. it's just where my mind is at rn.

Interesting idea.

I think I can be a hard read at times. What is prompting you to make arguments assuming I am town? Don’t get me wrong I am but I want to know where your head is Kupo.

[Cephrir]

her main utility to scum was served by confirming to them that there was no town eavesdropper.

Let's just say I am the town mirror version of this kind of thinking.

you just claimed. great job.

[Mognet]

her main utility to scum was served by confirming to them that there was no town eavesdropper.

Let's just say I am the town mirror version of this kind of thinking.

you just claimed. great job.

No he didn’t smiley face Kupo (A)

You gained amnesia

Wanna share reads?

[samantha97]

99% chance mafia wanted to cut their losses and ram through doomed mastina, get some town points, and end the day fast

and who pushed it harder than lady lambdadelta

plus my tinfoil that entire time was that the reason ldd was being so harsh was because they already planned it with mastina beforehand

Why do I need another read? Mastina is scum, she'll flip, and then I'll have reads from that.

You said you would vote Mastina right? What's the holdup then?

being antsy about the day not being rushed was a red flag for me too

[Mognet]

99% chance mafia wanted to cut their losses and ram through doomed mastina, get some town points, and end the day fast

and who pushed it harder than lady lambdadelta

plus my tinfoil that entire time was that the reason ldd was being so harsh was because they already planned it with mastina beforehand

Why do I need another read? Mastina is scum, she'll flip, and then I'll have reads from that.

You said you would vote Mastina right? What's the holdup then?

being antsy about the day not being rushed was a red flag for me too

I do not wish to get into a fight about LLD.

I think she is town. Some things I said were independent of alignment.

Push her and I vote you.

LLD + Mastina was a paranoia theory I would only consider if you flip American.

[Mognet]

99% chance mafia wanted to cut their losses and ram through doomed mastina, get some town points, and end the day fast

and who pushed it harder than lady lambdadelta

plus my tinfoil that entire time was that the reason ldd was being so harsh was because they already planned it with mastina beforehand

Why do I need another read? Mastina is scum, she'll flip, and then I'll have reads from that.

You said you would vote Mastina right? What's the holdup then?

being antsy about the day not being rushed was a red flag for me too

I do not wish to get into a fight about LLD.

I think she is town. Some things I said were independent of alignment.

Push her and I vote you.

LLD + Mastina was a paranoia theory I would only consider if you flip American.

I push you Ebwop

Some missives have wrong words

[joqiza]

Interesting idea.

I think I can be a hard read at times. What is prompting you to make arguments assuming I am town? Don’t get me wrong I am but I want to know where your head is Kupo.

i want to phrase this in a friendly way as possible but i think if you are town we view the game in very different ways and will probably struggle to communicate.

i'm willing to consider you town because I find you EoD content town-indicative. you went to very extreme lengths imo to defend mastina. the Level 0: that you were scum trying to defend your partner from the rope, is obviously wrong on its head. You are either Level 1: townie who was wrong, or Level 2: mafia who hoped we would townread you off Level 1 logic.

I don't dismiss the Level 2 possibility, I just think it's... hard to pull off? Idk how else to phrase it. Emotional content seems very genuine to me.

My initial reasoning for SR'ing you was that I read you as an experienced/veteran player and IMO you 1) treated an NAI phrase as a scumtell, and more importantly 2) doubled down it when confronted. And in experienced players this kind of logical positioning can be a tell... it is just something I've seen where scum stake out a position and don't update even when someone is towntelling. And IMO I was towntelling though of course that's hard to gauge.

to be clear you are still on watch from me. but i do think if you're scum here you're quite good. at being scum. if you're town... well... you have time to redeem yourself in my eyes.

[samantha97]

talking about ldd being mafia is a lot more productive than trying to shut down wagons in their infancy while talking about not having any reads somehow, and not being sure if mastina was bussed

if you can't express yourself why someone is mafia then at least let things play out without putting your fingers in the pie

[Mognet]

Fair. I like your posting a lot better than yesterday too.

Much more reassured and this is where I am.

Dr Strange can be American Kupo.

What do you make of Sam?

[Mognet]

talking about ldd being mafia is a lot more productive than trying to shut down wagons in their infancy while talking about not having any reads somehow, and not being sure if mastina was bussed

if you can't express yourself why someone is mafia then at least let things play out without putting your fingers in the pie

I have a read now.
You’re seriously scum.

LLD lead the wagon on Mastina.
It’s very rare for someone to control the game state and have no other competing wagons when attempting a bus.
Between your bad push and not dropping a vote on someone in your own words probably right,
Means you’re probably scum.

I’ll take a Sam wagon please.

Any takers?