Open 812 Guardians of the Fortress - Game Over

[Anastasia]

ok using dislike in the mafia sense, I have never disliked Absinthe.

Not once this game have I ever had her at anything lower than null.

[Briar]

Did something change your read on me unwnd?

[unwnd]

Yes please assume all confrontation is strictly in the mafia sense unless stated otherwise when it comes from me

[Lukewarm]

I've decided

Don't break my heart.

VOTE: Keep

....

Why would you do this. Like you presented a plan, and all of 1 other player agreed with you, and you locked in your vote. Which by the way, I do not like your plan.

[unwnd]

Did something change your read on me unwnd?

It's just how the game has developed. I think the 3 of you are in a position where you can't really say no to what's going on anymore. I still think out of the 3 I would place you as least likely, but I've made poor early judgments before

[Anastasia]

the heart wants what the heart wants.

[Briar]

Hmm.

Why does there have to be 1 scum in that trio? I'm leaning towards it being a bit more unlikely right now, like I know there's 3 scum to find and the possibility of being blindsided is there, but, is there anything tangible or is it just that it's a gamestate reason?

[Lukewarm]

Ugh. Seeing that made me want to immediately vote keep, just to make sure you didn't get to brute force your own plan into place. But I am going to actually wait for the group to decide before I just place myself...

[Briar]

I'm trying to take this game at face value in the sense that I'm not playing with (much) paranoia, and I feel as a whole that both absinthe and Anastasia are towny -- at least, I can believe the reasons presented, though IDK if this distinction makes sense.

[Anastasia]

my plan is to let briar win the keep, if thats what you want too I don't see why you would stop me?

[Something_Smart]

You think so?

To an extent. Scum will have either 6 or 15 options for who to swap; either way, which swap is optimal will depend almost entirely on how people are being read. The less they know about that, the more likely they are to make a suboptimal swap-- and the swap matters a huge deal.

How do you feel about what Ana did just now?

Probably moderately +scum because giving up control is pretty much always +town here, but not very much so. (Incidentally: this means Lukewarm's reaction is towny.)

[Anastasia]

I guess the only thing you would say that makes my plan bad is if you think Absinthe is scum?

cuz I really don't care who between Briar/Absinthe win the keep, they are both very townie for me.

[Briar]

Ugh. Seeing that made me want to immediately vote keep, just to make sure you didn't get to brute force your own plan into place. But I am going to actually wait for the group to decide before I just place myself...

Oh Luke don't do this to me.

So, question though: why do you have to wait for the group's approval in this instance?

Arguably the Keep is the most important group, and if you see 1, maybe 2, people doing something that you don't like, and you see it as bruce forcing something -- what do you think the intentions are for it right now, and why not like... I dunno, hm. I think I'm basically leading up to "why not heroshoot and throw yourself in" if you're town, since you know that at least you're town and you have a shot of disarming me/Ana if one of us is scum?

[Anastasia]

Probably moderately +scum because giving up control is pretty much always +town here, but not very much so. (Incidentally: this means Lukewarm's reaction is towny.)

See this is just wrong.

there's no incentive for scum!Ana to go to keep and promise to vote through Briar/Absinthe because that's a point for the town.

[unwnd]

It's just my gut when it comes to the situation. We could be playing a game where something like S_S/Infinity/Dunn could simply be overwhelmed by townies but I don't see the evidence in that world. I think the most likely answer is that scum is fully committed in you 3. Do you disagree?

[Something_Smart]

there's no incentive for scum!Ana to go to keep and promise to vote through Briar/Absinthe because that's a point for the town.

Only if you actually follow through with it...

[Briar]

You think so?

To an extent. Scum will have either 6 or 15 options for who to swap; either way, which swap is optimal will depend almost entirely on how people are being read. The less they know about that, the more likely they are to make a suboptimal swap-- and the swap matters a huge deal.

How do you feel about what Ana did just now?

Probably moderately +scum because giving up control is pretty much always +town here, but not very much so. (Incidentally: this means Lukewarm's reaction is towny.)

Ugh, I don't want to think about the swap. >_> I've been handwaving it as an Event to deal with later and I don't wanna think about the consequences /now./

Do you think that Ana's giving up control though when she's outright stated she won't vote herself? Like, she cannot exist in a world where she's voting her partner, right? And at this point her voting herself would be a scumclaim, so what control does she realistically have other than taking up a slot in the group?

[Briar]

Like, if Ana doesn't follow through, we all see it. We're sitting there very aware that she's stalling, and there's two town in the group to figure each other out.

[Something_Smart]

Also, Keep is the easiest for town to win, so it's the ideal target for a bold gambit like that.

[Anastasia]

there's no incentive for scum!Ana to go to keep and promise to vote through Briar/Absinthe because that's a point for the town.

Only if you actually follow through with it...

I've already committed to voting for whichever of Briar/Absinthe remain in the group.

I have no reason to change on this.

[Briar]

Incidentally I have considered that Ana was leading up to a big WIFOM play where she's somehow the vote because everyone looks at her and goes "wow, look at Ana, being so selfless voting others, we can really trust /her/ since she has no personal agenda" but I think that's also a really really dumb plan to bank on in the Keep group.

[Lukewarm]

Briar who do you want to put in the Keep with you as a backup?

Lukewarm's my backup, yes.

I have no reason right now to think he isn't town. And if he isn't town, I think that when we get down to the nitty-gritty he'd probably slip and show his hand (especially if we sorted in the Wall group first where he'd be forced to take stances).

I've decided

Don't break my heart.

VOTE: Keep

Like, you acted started the conversation like you cared who other people thought should be in the keep, but even though the person you asked said something different, you decided to lock yourself in regardless.

[Something_Smart]

Ugh, I don't want to think about the swap. >_> I've been handwaving it as an Event to deal with later and I don't wanna think about the consequences /now./

I mean yes, and in a sense you're right that we shouldn't be talking about it much because we don't want to give scum ideas. But... it is an important part of the setup, so you can't just ignore it.

[Anastasia]

Also, Keep is the easiest for town to win, so it's the ideal target for a bold gambit like that.

I mean you'll know as soon as I vote for them that it's not a gambit right?

[Briar]

Oh, you already mentioned gambiting right before me, lmao.

Maybe it is bold to do, but I think there's too much room for error for it to be /realistic/ for her to try and do. Will she go for it? Maybe, but like. In that case the two other people in the group, assuming Ana stays in there, can just vow never to vote her on the threat of scumclaiming to the town.