DEFCON Mafia 5.0: GAME OVER - NEW AMERICA FORMED

[Mognet]

i literally cannot possibly imagine what is so strange to you about that completely normal vote count.

Did you read my summary? Do you feel it is accurate?

If not what do you think is incorrect?

[Mognet]

Seems to me like Mognet is just carrying on their bollocks and expecting to persuade people into it. it's quite a mastina-style play.

I explained my thoughts.
I poke people.
They poke me back.

The part of explaining their thoughts is missing.

How am I supposed to change my mind or see where you’re coming from if you don’t explain it?

It’s like me saying how to fly in midair and connect to Mognet Central is obvious and then ridiculously laughing/scoffing when you don’t get it. It’s neither helpful, productive nor healthy for a gamestate.

[Cephrir]

i read it. i have no idea what any one sentence in it has to do with any other. why does titus have to comment on any of it? i just... i don't understand how any of those sentences make anyone anything.

[Mognet]

He's trying to force his world view onto the thread. Let's just ignore him. If he comes back with genuine curiosity, we can talk but right now he doesn't have that. His incessant posting demanding others prove things to him just isn't helpful.

I am not asking for proof. I am asking for the reasoning behind actions.

This is typical when people hunt.

I fail to understand where the “forcing” is when all I do is ask why.

[Cephrir]

i feel like you're treating it like this is a micro. there's a wagon of 3 right now with 22 alive... who fucking cares?

[Mognet]

Votecount 2.1

T3 (3) - gorilla, Cephrir, Bell
marry (2) - VFP, Robert M Hunter
Bell (1) - Mognet
Et Al (1) - Nexus
VFP (1) - T3

Not Voting [14] - DeasVail, Koto, DeathNote, joqiza, Et Al, Save The Dragons, Vaxkiller, Lady Lambdadelta, The Church of Skitter, The Entity, Titus, marry, Toogeloo, samantha97

(expired on 2021-05-22 17:52:00) remain until day end

With 22 players alive, it takes 12 to reach a majority.

This VC is weird.

T3 says Samantha is town. Bell scum by vibe but meta town. This looks to me like a 3P read. If T3 is a Russian, then I doubt it is with Bell. T3 then says something about DV DN? I guess DV = Deas Vail but DN? What is that?

DeasVail then makes a big post poking Vax but no vote.

Then Titus doesn’t comment on any of this and just says she’s performing wagon voodoo and votes Nexus?

This moogle is very confused and thinks wagon scan says one scum in Cephrir/Bell.

Marry wagon is bad but maybe all town.

Nexus is voting Et Al and then Titus naked vote Nexus?

VOTE: Et Al

I think Titus cast a chainsaw spell unless she can explain her vote. What say you Trenchcoat Kupo?

Okay let’s try this a different way.
Every player is either American or not American.

Let’s start with T3’s posting. T3 has a conflicting read on Bell. This is typical of a 3P read or a scum hunting a 3P read. This means if T3 is not American T3 is not probably partners with Bell. Then T3 makes a mention of DeasVail for another reason. It’s confusing and unlikely to be anything but American because it’s such a scattershot/chaotic approach.

DeasVail after this provides a big case but no vote on Vax. It’s worth it to see where this goes.

After this wealth of content, Titus interacts with none of it and votes for Nexus. She says her reasoning is obvious yet does not explain it. When pushed she says she’s fishing for reactions. This blank vote pinged me as a chainsaw because of lack of reasoning and interaction with prior content.

Titus seemed more wordy in Warehouse 13

[Mognet]

i feel like you're treating it like this is a micro. there's a wagon of 3 right now with 22 alive... who fucking cares?

Every post matters. It leads to a collective tapestry. People get pings from when things feel off. People respond to first impressions and admittedly mine wasn’t good. The first impression today is a wagon on what seems on low hanging fruit without connecting it to anything previously. Combined with T3’s posts making T3 likely American means that the wagon is bad and probably has a scum on it.

Scum controlling the initial impression is bad and why a lot of larges are lost.

[Mognet]

Titus then literally leaving the thread when asking for her opinion or any sort of reasoning is nagl Kupo.

[Titus]

Mognet, I'll be here when a) I want to be here and b) there's something worth contributing to.

A is highly unlikely given it's Mother's Day and that holiday sucks at my very soul making me feel inadequate. Coming here with you claiming reality is inadequate just makes me want to peace out.

Second, I do think there's a lot of words and nothing happenining. Every post has value, but we may not know it at the time. Sometimes meaning is revealed in time. I'm ok with waiting. You need to be too. Egging me on is just going to piss me off

[Cephrir]

T3 has a conflicting read on Bell. This is typical of a 3P read or a scum hunting a 3P read.

Or it's... just a conflicted townie/scum pretending to be a conflicted townie... having 3P reads in a game of this size is pure hubris

This means if T3 is not American T3 is not probably partners with Bell. Then T3 makes a mention of DeasVail for another reason. It’s confusing and unlikely to be anything but American because it’s such a scattershot/chaotic approach.

I don't agree with either part of this at all. Why can't scum have an unsure read on their partner. What is town about not playing in the straightforward manner you expect.

DeasVail after this provides a big case but no vote on Vax. It’s worth it to see where this goes.

okay

After this wealth of content, Titus interacts with none of it and votes for Nexus.

I don't care lol

She says her reasoning is obvious yet does not explain it. When pushed she says she’s fishing for reactions. This blank vote pinged me as a chainsaw because of lack of reasoning and interaction with prior content.

that's a weird reason to see something as a chainsaw

[Mognet]

@Titus >> Then say that. Don’t say your vote is “obvious” when no one else is doing it, you can’t explain it and don’t have time to.

@Cephrir >> How is this a weird reason? Nexus votes Et Al. Titus votes Nexus no reasoning provided with the vote and it’s on the person voting Nexus. That’s like the definition of chainsaw.

[Cephrir]

i would think titus would need to try harder if her goal was to discredit nexus' attack; also, i don't think nexus' attack looks very scary for et al right now

[Mognet]

i would think titus would need to try harder if her goal was to discredit nexus' attack; also, i don't think nexus' attack looks very scary for et al right now

Why would she need to try harder? As you pointed out effort is apparently bad in a game with 22 people?

[Cephrir]

a naked vote with no reasoning really attached isn't going to make anyone go, "maybe i shouldn't trust nexus!"

[Nexus]

We could just lim Mognet?

[Titus]

@Titus >> Then say that. Don’t say your vote is “obvious” when no one else is doing it, you can’t explain it and don’t have time to.

@Cephrir >> How is this a weird reason? Nexus votes Et Al. Titus votes Nexus no reasoning provided with the vote and it’s on the person voting Nexus. That’s like the definition of chainsaw.

My vote was obvious. Your ineptitude does not mean an obvious vote isn't obvious. I explained it repeatedly. I had the time and took it.

You are so hellbent on fitting my posts to your narrative that it's unenjoyable to play with and gets in the way of my hunting.

[Mognet]

a naked vote with no reasoning really attached isn't going to make anyone go, "maybe i shouldn't trust nexus!"

So then she wouldn’t get reactions off it either? I fail to see how any of what she is doing makes sense. The only way I see it make sense is a chainsaw. Poorly executed I agree but I don’t see any Townie motivation here

Pedit: You can but I won’t flip scum and it’s silly to elim one of the few people actually providing any sort of reasoning for actions. Everyone’s acting like it’s RVS still

[Titus]

We could just lim Mognet?

Being a grade A asshole is not grounds for elimination.

Can you do something other than agitate?

[Titus]

Everyone’s acting like it’s RVS still

It is.

[Mognet]

@Titus >> Then say that. Don’t say your vote is “obvious” when no one else is doing it, you can’t explain it and don’t have time to.

@Cephrir >> How is this a weird reason? Nexus votes Et Al. Titus votes Nexus no reasoning provided with the vote and it’s on the person voting Nexus. That’s like the definition of chainsaw.

My vote was obvious. Your ineptitude does not mean an obvious vote isn't obvious. I explained it repeatedly. I had the time and took it.

You are so hellbent on fitting my posts to your narrative that it's unenjoyable to play with and gets in the way of my hunting.

What I read here is “I don’t like being called out for my crap, so it’s unenjoyable to me to not be able to not be able to continue to do scummy shit”.

Your vote reasoning is not obvious, has not been explained despite asking several times. Instead of doing so you push me.

Pedit: it’s day 2. If you’re still in RVS reread the thread

[Titus]

If everyone feels like it's RVS, everyone rereading the thread won't change that. It's still RVS. I also don't like being told what to do when I was more than charitable by assisting you with the meta you discarded.

You also stated I am pushing you, which is blatantly false.
You missed Nexus capitalizing on your outright hostile play to try and get you elimininated.

Every post does count, but you need to stfu and listen.

[Nexus]

We could just lim Mognet?

Being a grade A asshole is not grounds for elimination.

Can you do something other than agitate?

No.

[Mognet]

We have 80+ pages of content.

RVS is done. We need to progress.

Reading the thread will help we have a scum flip.

You are pushing me though. You’re pushing me to give you free reign to do whatever you want carte Blanche despite scummy behavior because it’s Mother’s Day. Not gonna happen.

I did not discard the meta, I used it but I reached an incorrect conclusion which I can improve from.

I did not miss it, Nexus was frustrated. Pure and simple. It’s NAI.

I am listening. I am waiting for you to answer my fucking questions instead of attacking my play.

If it becomes clear you won’t actually attempt to have reasoning for what you’re doing I have faith when more players come on they can and will elim and wagon you.

I would much rather get the scum you don’t want wagoned but I will take you if I have to compromise.

[samantha97]

VOTE: nexus

Spoiler:

I just learned Town of Salem is a thing (mafia game that is an actual video game) and have been nolifing it

[Save The Dragons]

rereading day 3 atm

VOTE: mognet

how come prism and mognet both seem uninterested in mastina

VOTE: Vaxkiller

Never in my life did I see myself chainsawing for mastina, though this vote is less about having a townread on her and more about not liking Vax's opening and explanation of their houghts on Pooky

i like VFP for town - mastina also tried to cast shade onto that slot and i don't see scum doing that to an absent partner
i like vax for town - i like their posts
cephrir and lld too - obvious reasons

I am shocked at how fast this wagon is going and no counters are emerging.

interesting...

Hello fellow commanders.
I am the new leader of Washington facility. Hopefully, the last one.
Any urgent matters?

have you read the game koto, any thoughts?

joqiza seems town - i like their posts
i like church for town - i like 1475
i like dv for town though i'm sad i'm not on his town list though i've probably given no reason to be added to it

something pings me about gorilla

VOTE: T3

I said I'd vote on the largest wagon but you don't need my help to push it through so I'm going to make a symbolic vote.

why T3?

i like marry for town - i think i'd be sad if marry were scum

probably need to reread again tbh still trying to get my head around this game