Open 812 Guardians of the Fortress - Game Over

[unwnd]

I think the best for me to determine your alignment is to understand what you feel most strongly about, Luke. You've been one of my nulls for a good while because I think you're just a blip right now. Again, not trying to offend. It's just clear to me there are bigger people talking bigger things and then you're trying to get your two cents in. Maybe your averse reaction to me is a sign that you took offense because that

is

what you felt most strongly about

[absinthe]

Briar who do you want as the third in the Keep?

[Lukewarm]

I think the best for me to determine your alignment is to understand what you feel most strongly about, Luke. You've been one of my nulls for a good while because I think you're just a blip right now. Again, not trying to offend. It's just clear to me there are bigger people talking bigger things and then you're trying to get your two cents in. Maybe your averse reaction to me is a sign that you took offense because that

is

what you felt most strongly about

Honestly, I feel like a lot of the back and forth in this thread has been around meta commentary on other players and self-meta analysis, and I am personally not a big fan of those discussions. Both because I have the least experience with other players in this lobby, and because I prefer to focus on the the game we are actually in. So there is a whole lot of content being put out there that I am both unequipped and uninterested in grappling with ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I have come to realize that meta analysis is pretty big on this site tho, like people are regularly playing in alt accounts to avoid it because it is so prevalent. And like I have found it off-putting that in every game I have played in so far, has end up with people posting links to other completed games, like I have the time to read through every player in every lobby's back log

So, if it feels like there are "bigger people talking bigger things" that I am breezing past, it is because they are conversations that I don't particularly enjoy parsing through.

[Lukewarm]

Maybe your averse reaction to me is a sign that you took offense because that is what you felt most strongly about

Also, do you feel like I had a particularly adverse reaction to you?

You said you did not think that I thought about my suggestion, And I responded with a post to trying to state that I did think about my suggestion.

If anything, I was hopping that would make you more likely to engage with my suggestions, then if you were left to believe that my suggestions are made without thought behind them.

[absinthe]

only if my reads are wrong

I think it's pretty silly to have a value judgement on play that is only determined after the game is over. We want to know now what's good and what isn't; so I think that it is bad play to commit yourself to a read like that, even if the read turns out to be right in the end.

I think you are stuck in a weird place where you can't decide whether you want to shade me as bold genius scum gambitter or bad town tunnel reader and it makes you sound funny

since I think you are scummy it makes me feel I'm on the right track with this briar/absinthe plan

I think you're probably approaching reading s_s not great, though he's still leaning scum for me atm. Like, he loves to talk about things in a vacuum and not come to firm conclusions,

though the way he's doing it here I feel is +scum for him.

Re the bolded what makes the way he's doing it +scum? How does it vary from his townplay?

Also, you've repeatedly said that you're not motivated enough to obvtown this game.

What's dampening your motivation?

[Dunnstral]

If Briar and Anastasia are both town, Why doesn't anybody care/want to be in the keep? Shouldn't mafia want to put a member in there so they can swap more effectively?

[Infinity 324]

I don't have a large sample on s_s (at least that I can remember), but I think he does seem a bit more goal-directed as town and I can see the purpose of his questioning a bit more easily.

My motivation to play mafia comes in waves and right now it's at a low point

[Infinity 324]

If Briar and Anastasia are both town, Why doesn't anybody care/want to be in the keep? Shouldn't mafia want to put a member in there so they can swap more effectively?

Hmm yes but there are different ways to go about it. "I want to be in the keep" may not work that well if we're outsourcing the decision to a UTR.

[absinthe]

If Briar and Anastasia are both town, Why doesn't anybody care/want to be in the keep? Shouldn't mafia want to put a member in there so they can swap more effectively?

Have you missed that both Luke and I want to be in the keep?

[absinthe]

I don't have a large sample on s_s (at least that I can remember), but I think he does seem a bit more goal-directed as town and I can see the purpose of his questioning a bit more easily.

My motivation to play mafia comes in waves and right now it's at a low point

Was there something about this game that overrides the motivation slump?

[Infinity 324]

I'm finding I quite like this playerlist.

[Dunnstral]

If Briar and Anastasia are both town, Why doesn't anybody care/want to be in the keep? Shouldn't mafia want to put a member in there so they can swap more effectively?

Have you missed that both Luke and I want to be in the keep?

I was under the impression that neither of you wanted to be in the keep

[Lukewarm]

If Briar and Anastasia are both town, Why doesn't anybody care/want to be in the keep? Shouldn't mafia want to put a member in there so they can swap more effectively?

Have you missed that both Luke and I want to be in the keep?

I was under the impression that neither of you wanted to be in the keep

Hmm. True.

There's just a small part of me that doesn't trust her despite everything because as a player I feel this is the sort of thing she would do as scum so holding her accountable to her willingness to vote someone who's not herself makes me more comfortable with her. Like, I'm pre-emptively neutering her as scum.

But I guess that her willingness to do that only extended to me/absinthe I think?

Like, hm.

Specifically, if Briar is unsure about having her+ana be the vote block in the keep, think I might be the best person to go there??
I may be wrong, but I think I have been townread by over half the lobby, so maybe I would make sense to be that person.

Unless people object to that / have a better candidate?

I still want to go to the keep.

If you preempt that, I'll likely cast a grumpy Vote Gate immediately, and then I probably stew in my concerns about a Dun/catboi/me Gate trio unless/until reality overtakes that.

I have said that I want to go to the keep if Briar is uncomfortable letting the vote block be Briar+Ana.
Absinthe has said they want to be at the Keep period.

[Dunnstral]

you guys both think that Ana is town or no?

[Dunnstral]

I'm trying to figure out why you wouldn't want to put someone you scumread in the keep

[absinthe]

you guys both think that Ana is town or no?

I do.

I'm also townreading Luke, though not to the same level.

I'm expecting scum to have to swap players from/to the keep and I think the swaps will be informative.

[Lukewarm]

you guys both think that Ana is town or no?

I think that Ana is town, and personally am okay with the Briar+Ana vote block. But if Briar is serious about not wanting that to be the vote block, then I think I am the best candidate to go.

So my preference is that we either, leave the Briar+Ana vote block, and we send the left over player there. Or we send me for a Briar+Me vote block

[Lukewarm]

I'm trying to figure out why you wouldn't want to put someone you scumread in the keep

This was similar to my suggestion, until Briar mentioned being unsure about letting Ana vote for themselves if she is swapped out.

[unwnd]

Basing the sample size of how people are talking about the others

Official Vote Count 1.04

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Preparation

Gate

(0): Nobody

Wall

(1): unwnd

Keep

(2): Briar, Anastasia

Unassigned

(6): Dunnstral, Infinity 324, catboi, absinthe, Lukewarm, Something_Smart

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-05-18 18:31:49).

Mod notes:

Only votes for the Gate, Wall, or Keep will be counted.

S_S/catboi/infinity/Dunn would be the ones as candidates for Gate? At least how I would like to use it. I'm seeing a lot of people townreading Ana which is something scum has already accepted as truth or is well, just truth.

[absinthe]

I'm finding I quite like this playerlist.

So, you're feeling more motivated?

[Anastasia]

I'm trying to figure out why you wouldn't want to put someone you scumread in the keep

I'd like to take a shot on infinity-ss-unwnd as the scum team because I am a naive dreamer.

[Anastasia]

My suggestion is that we put three scumreads on the wall and here's how I think about it:

If we put 3 scumreads on wall and ana-briar-absinthe are all town in the keep - we could end up at:

Gate-Wall-Keep:

3T-3S-3T

Which is a win for town.

If we are wrong about one player in Wall, it'd be:

Gate-Wall-Keep:

2T-2S-3T

In which case a S from Wall goes into Keep and we have two 1v1s in Wall/Gate and we only need to win one of the 1v1s to win the game.

If we're actually here:

Gate-Wall-Keep:

2S-2T-3T

Then we know there was only 1 scum on the wall, and we can recalibrate from there.

[Something_Smart]

I'd like to take a shot on infinity-ss-unwnd as the scum team because I am a naive dreamer.

or, get this: you don't, and then the scum probably rule it out via swaps. and if they don't, then we've seriously narrowed the amount of possible swaps available to them.

[unwnd]

I think the best for me to determine your alignment is to understand what you feel most strongly about, Luke. You've been one of my nulls for a good while because I think you're just a blip right now. Again, not trying to offend. It's just clear to me there are bigger people talking bigger things and then you're trying to get your two cents in. Maybe your averse reaction to me is a sign that you took offense because that

is

what you felt most strongly about

Honestly, I feel like a lot of the back and forth in this thread has been around meta commentary on other players and self-meta analysis, and I am personally not a big fan of those discussions. Both because I have the least experience with other players in this lobby, and because I prefer to focus on the the game we are actually in. So there is a whole lot of content being put out there that I am both unequipped and uninterested in grappling with ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I have come to realize that meta analysis is pretty big on this site tho, like people are regularly playing in alt accounts to avoid it because it is so prevalent. And like I have found it off-putting that in every game I have played in so far, has end up with people posting links to other completed games, like I have the time to read through every player in every lobby's back log

So, if it feels like there are "bigger people talking bigger things" that I am breezing past, it is because they are conversations that I don't particularly enjoy parsing through.

Despite what it seems I agree with you. I don't know where this accounts for how you'd like to read the room however. You've spent your time staying within the boundaries of discussion when it comes to the minigames (Wall, Gate, Keep) which I think is...fine. I think your content is fine despite my seeming roughness with you a bit earlier. I'm at a point where I would put you at 'wouldn't lim' if this were a traditional voting game.

Maybe your averse reaction to me is a sign that you took offense because that is what you felt most strongly about

Also, do you feel like I had a particularly adverse reaction to you?

You said you did not think that I thought about my suggestion, And I responded with a post to trying to state that I did think about my suggestion.

If anything, I was hopping that would make you more likely to engage with my suggestions, then if you were left to believe that my suggestions are made without thought behind them.

I did. I felt your decision was impulsive and the last time we talked I didn't have a true grasp of why you wanted the pairings you did. Or why you wanted to jump in. My understanding is that you're mostly using the minigames as a way of sorting who you like and don't like, and that you'd prefer to be with people that you do? Like in the sense of 'i townread them'.

[Infinity 324]

I'm finding I quite like this playerlist.

So, you're feeling more motivated?

A little bit, and I felt like I've kind of obvtowned already, but I probably won't wow people into townreading me if I haven't already.