DEFCON Mafia 5.0: GAME OVER - NEW AMERICA FORMED

[Bell]

I do think mognet is town. UNVOTE:

You were voting VFP tho.

[T3]

Right now I think Nexus or DN. VOTE: Nexus

[Vaxkiller]

vote: Robert M Hunter

Yay more naked votes!

Tell me am I supposed to summon an eidolon to figure out how you got to that conclusion?

This is also technically a chainsaw too as no recent mention of Robert if Robert has a vote down anywhere.

Can we please use like reasoning and communication?

Yay! More shade!

[DeasVail]

rereading day 3 atm

VOTE: mognet

how come prism and mognet both seem uninterested in mastina

VOTE: Vaxkiller

Never in my life did I see myself chainsawing for mastina, though this vote is less about having a townread on her and more about not liking Vax's opening and explanation of their houghts on Pooky

i like VFP for town - mastina also tried to cast shade onto that slot and i don't see scum doing that to an absent partner
i like vax for town - i like their posts
cephrir and lld too - obvious reasons

I am shocked at how fast this wagon is going and no counters are emerging.

interesting...

Hello fellow commanders.
I am the new leader of Washington facility. Hopefully, the last one.
Any urgent matters?

have you read the game koto, any thoughts?

joqiza seems town - i like their posts
i like church for town - i like 1475
i like dv for town though i'm sad i'm not on his town list though i've probably given no reason to be added to it

something pings me about gorilla

VOTE: T3

I said I'd vote on the largest wagon but you don't need my help to push it through so I'm going to make a symbolic vote.

why T3?

i like marry for town - i think i'd be sad if marry were scum

probably need to reread again tbh still trying to get my head around this game

Hi!

I would like to hear a bit more about the mognet vote here. I feel like there is a lot more to the slot than prism chainsawing mastina and so I'm interested in what you think of all the other stuff or are just ignoring it etc.?

I also am interested in why you think I'm town. Any townread on me here is honestly a bit of a surprise considering that I am wracked with guilt every time I think about opening the thread!

[Vaxkiller]

Honestly I tried to hunt something I thought might be scummier but I can't deal with this shit in this game anymore.

I'm getting a seance from beyond the grave that pooky wants us to kill moogle fucker

vote:Mognet

This is the way. Let pooky's spirit flow thru us all.


Robert wasn't a bad vote, but I'm much more sure of mognet. REMEMBER mognet was prism.

[DeasVail]

VFP, assume Marry is scum. Why does scum Marry fake claim eavesdropper multiple times?

Well since mastina was eavesdropper , it's probable scum discussed and wanted to use it with no CC risk.
I didn't take the claims I saw as hard claim though. mastina flipping eavesdropper negates that as any argument here.

Use it?

Townslip for not knowing what the eavesdropper is??

I feel like this is pretty clearly referring to "use it" as a claim?

[DeasVail]

Don't get me wrong, I still thinm it makes no sense. But...

[SirCakez]

Votecount 2.3

Nexus (4) - samantha97, Titus, joqiza, T3
Mognet (4) - Save The Dragons, The Church of Skitter, Vaxkiller, Lady Lambdadelta
VFP (3) - Bell, gorilla, The Entity
marry (2) - VFP, Robert M Hunter
Et Al (1) - Nexus
T3 (1) - Cephrir
Titus (1) - Mognet

Not Voting [6] - DeasVail, Koto, DeathNote, Et Al, marry, Toogeloo

(expired on 2021-05-22 17:52:00) remain until day end

With 22 players alive, it takes 12 to reach a majority.

[DeasVail]

VOTE: Nexus

[Vaxkiller]

Vax, you seem quite different from what I remember in 2181. I remember you being more aggressive in the opener, not really publicly hedging, and the anti-team read felt a bit out of left field as though it felt pressured to do something.

My memory wrong or has there been a shift in your style?

At ths point bell feel like high postcount but lacking in content. The reads almost feel forced.
Prism sticks out to me as very townys for the moment. Like Prism threw shade on Vax but offered a reasonable explanation for what it could be. samantha is strong town for the total war thing.

I should interject and say normally you shouldn't do this imo, you want to see what they say then compare. I specifically wanted to see if Vax would try to cook up a third option, or try really hard to explain the shift. I'm not really sure how to feel about the answer of different every game/not really remembering 2181, but fishing doesn't mean you catch something every time.

VOTE: Vaxkiller

Never in my life did I see myself chainsawing for mastina, though this vote is less about having a townread on her and more about not liking Vax's opening and explanation of their houghts on Pooky

This crap. It's hook line and sinker in line with mastina. My play is not any different, mastina read half a dozen shit posts at the start of the game and scum read me for them, then prism comes in and starts talking about her own experience, and how I'm playing different from the game I played with her. (News flash, I'm not)

The 2nd post also includes a post from T3, where I was worried about him pocketing me, but thier play since then has show to be towny.

[Nexus]

unvote

U guys are mean.

[Nexus]

The vfp wagon is the towniest of the three.

vote vfp

[Vaxkiller]

Nexus, you might get run up, you should join the wagon that has a greater success of yeeting scum. Vote mognet

[DeasVail]

I really don't like the idea of a mognet wagon. I don't have any specific posts to point to right now but the way in which mognet just laid it all out there feels very low-pretense to me

[Vaxkiller]

Prism is scummmy as all get out. mognet is basically only asking questions to appear to be active, and if you really look and read all thier stuff, it's alot of shade.

They are the Tucker Carlson of Defcon 5.

VOTE: mognet

[Vaxkiller]

I take it Mastina is wordy. Is there anything besides this?

Can someone please explain to me the wagon on Mastina besides she uses long missives?

Do you think Mastina is a Russian? If so who do you think is a Russian with her?

Should I look at anything in particular? Is this a game where chaos was good for town? Was order? Was Mastina scum? Why this game?

Interesting. At a high level, what was Mastina’s reaction to being wagoned? What drove the elim of the other wagon? Care to give a jist? Then we can assume Mastina is scum here and maybe get a second or look for similar reactions to find a good nuke/elim candidate.

This is Mastina’s last post Kupo. Does she readwall often? Does she obey the rule of three? Does she bus? Is she antibus?

Do you think the wagon on Mastina is natural?

Does Mastina as scum obey the rule of three? Meaning one of her buddies is at the bottom. This is a true/false based on meta. Does she bus when dying to create distance.

Clearly shows mognet knows this game well.

What if Lady Lambdadelta is committing vehicular manslaughter over her buddy Mastina?

Start the LadyLambdaDelta shade.... Mognets basically admitting mastinas scum... but continues....

Still reading other missives.

(Assuming Mastina is scum)
Two reasons assuming you’re right you’re very likely town unless it was a planned bus to cut discussion but that’s more paranoia maybe. If you are town then scum kill you we lose that opinion and it’s not to be heard from again.
If you’re scum it gives us more to work off of which is a win win for town.

(Assuming Mastina is town)
We can use this to validate if you are scum fear pushing Mastina or trying to replicate a “I always push Mastina” habit or an intentional bus or just you hate playing with Mastina enough it clouded your judgment.

The more you give the more it helps us.

And the simple answer to your question is I am still reading while playing. I will hammer when I am good and ready (assuming she’s still viable)

More shade to LadyLambdaDelta

Correct LLD. I did not defend Mastina. You say this very sarcastically but again, you dodge the question I asked to do so. Mastina will be hammered, I have noted this several times. I am just attempting to get reads before nightfall and one of those is on Mastina so I won’t assume her alignment either way.

Not defending mastina? How many questions were asked?

Every game I have been provided you have either pushed or suggested Mastina sucks. That does imply a bias LLD. I have enough to read here already but I can already tell you have a...explosive playstyle ...sorry early morning Moogles struggle for words. Can you show me a game where you didn’t attack Mastina?

I think if you can my judgment is a bit hasty. If not then my point is correct then I believe. It is possible it was too hasty for overall meta but yet I don’t see what you’re pointing out this game that is scummy which tends me to believe it’s an overall bias thing. Hell you may even be right (again I need Mastina to post to help sort her) but you’re not really selling me your read is any good when I ask for an explanation or other reads in a polite manner and instead of addressing that you’re coming in and posting this.

More questions, why does it even matter at this point?

[The Entity]

You reckon mastina's scum buddies would stick their neck out for her? mastina was a likely early elimination (or at minimum someone under a lot of heat) given the player list.

[samantha97]

it's entirely possible they had at least one person play the good cop

ldd posts re:mognet were gross

also

The vfp wagon is the towniest of the three.

vote vfp

I actually agree with you in the sense that bell and gorilla are obviously town, except I think t3 is a really easy target in general and, while mafia would maybe get greedy about having a chance at not going after mastina (through deasvail), I strongly believe they had a gameplan going in to bus mastina

so +town points to t3 from my point of view

[samantha97]

ok vfp and t3 are not the same person apparently

[samantha97]

VOTE: vfp

[Vaxkiller]

@theEntity

Prims comments were early on, pushing the same crap logic that I was acting different. When I pushed mastina on it, all she gave back was "i wasnt radiating town energy."

I replied to prism with this:

Vax, you seem quite different from what I remember in 2181. I remember you being more aggressive in the opener, not really publicly hedging, and the anti-team read felt a bit out of left field as though it felt pressured to do something.

My memory wrong or has there been a shift in your style?

Every game is different to me. I forget what 2181 was, is that basketball?

While every game is different to me, im sure I play the same alot too. It's hard to look at oneself, but let me give it a shot. I think alot of my playstyle scum or town depends on the player list and how people interact with me. That's prolly not a great way to play (waiting for people to interact with me) but it is what it is. I also interact with people I'm familiar with, even if they dont know who I am.

Also in games like this with lots of veterans, I can sometimes play more quietly until I'm provoked in some way, or if I spot something I'm sure is scum. Or perhaps in this case where someone is inviting me out of my shell.

But they didnt engage me again, just voted me when the game started. Like lots of posts after we got this:

VOTE: Vaxkiller

Never in my life did I see myself chainsawing for mastina, though this vote is less about having a townread on her and more about not liking Vax's opening and explanation of their houghts on Pooky

[Vaxkiller]

So that was early on. I would not say prism was sticking thie neck out, because a mastina wagon did not have any momentum at that point.

When mognet got in, mastina wagon was not a for sure thing, they didnt "defend" mastina so much as just "ask questions" and continued to "ask questions" trying to "sort them out" Like they asked a billions questions, I even missed some. They were trying to sort anything out, they mention some more "advanced" terms, and are clearly familiar with the game and able to make their own conclusions without all this filler.

[Vaxkiller]

They were trying to sort anything out

EDIT BY WAY OF POST


THEY WERE

NOT

TRYING TO SORT ANYTHING OUT

[The Entity]

VOTE: Nexus

Why?

[Koto]

If samantha wasn't locktown already she's locktown now.

RMH, unless you have a direct guilty by Espionage or Fighter don't out. Although you've basically softed that you're a PR that's useless in town hands.

Lockdown.