Open 812 Guardians of the Fortress - Game Over

[Lukewarm]

Other points of interest is what Lukewarm does about Dunn because it seemed like he was keen on something Dunn did? But he never got around to it

I have come to the conclusion that he is likely to be scum tbh.

I think that there are 2 possibilities for a reason why someone would try to make the case that we can't trust that Briar+Ana are town.

• They are town, and they spotted a reason that the rest of the town missed
  
• They are scum, and their only chance at winning the Keep is to put doubt on that pair

So I pushed him to explain, and he backed down with "people just are not understanding my point" and even though I came back with "my entire goal right now is understanding your point, please explain" he never did. If a town player really thought we were potentially setting the keep up for an auto-lose situation, then I have to believe they would have pressed more to get the thread to understand the point he was making.

But he didn't, which makes me feel like he could not actually back up his shade on the duo, which would place him in the scum backed reasoning for making the claim to begin with.

Spoiler:

There is a 3rd possibility, of town having made the initial claim using faulty reasoning, but Dunn did not leave with "maybe I was wrong" he left with "I am right, but people don't understand"

[absinthe]

One of them was already explained, which is that it's good to have no more than two townread players at the Keep, seeing as we only need one to end up there post-swap.
The other is that the Wall is the hardest minigame and you're the kind of person who would give us a good shot at winning it

I don't think you have any idea just how little ELO practice I get, statistically speaking, especially as town. I'm good enough at obvtowning that I wind up nk'ed early A LOT.

I have found that the key is obvtowning, but with terrible reads. I have yet to be Night Killed in any game I have played in, despite being widely town read Day 1 in a couple of them

Spoiler:

I have yet to be in the ghost chat of any game I have been in. That might be neat one day

Yeah, bad reads are often a ticket to further into the game. It kinda depends on the composition of the scum team. kinda. Also depends on whether PRs have been forced to out.

[Something_Smart]

So I pushed him to explain, and he backed down with "people just are not understanding my point" and even though I came back with "my entire goal right now is understanding your point, please explain" he never did. If a town player really thought we were potentially setting the keep up for an auto-lose situation, then I have to believe they would have pressed more to get the thread to understand the point he was making.

I thought he explained his point pretty well?

[Lukewarm]

I think I am settled on Absinthe being the better choice to go to the Keep for a couple of reasons.

• Briar appears to be more confident in Absinthe over me.
  
• If there is a world where combination of Briar+Ana+Absinthe does contain a scum, then it is probably good to leave open the possibility that they can't swap one out (if both other scum end up in the same group they can't swap any of these 3). If Briar+Ana+Absinte stays in place to the Day 2, that would be a massive eye opener before the day started.
  
• If we put 3 town at the keep, then one of them will probably end up the IC at the gate, so even if I go there, then I might still end up at the gate

But I also do not want to end up in the Gate.

VOTE: Wall

[absinthe]

<3 Luke

With Luke's decision, there's no one else I'm willing to entertain as a Keep choice.

VOTE: Keep

[Lukewarm]

(also, I have a guess about Briar and Ana's mains, which I am looking forward to figuring out if they are right)

[catboi]

_(ˇωˇ」∠)_

I had a long day today. How is everyone doing?

[Something_Smart]

With Luke's decision, there's no one else I'm willing to entertain as a Keep choice.

Wh-

Well okay then.

[Briar]

Okay, I'm cool with this! Nice!

[Something_Smart]

Somehow I managed to avoid a double post by getting a preview on my own post lol

[Briar]

(also, I have a guess about Briar and Ana's mains, which I am looking forward to figuring out if they are right)

How ... did you find out if you are NEW HERE.

[Something_Smart]

So are we trying to avoid doubling scum up at the Gate? Because that gives them a lot of choices for who the IC is?

If so, then I think I'd like Infinity at the Wall.

[Briar]

(I'd have more to say but honestly I still feel crummy and I think at this point I just wanna throw everyone else into a group and figure out what happens, I guess.)

Yes, I think it makes to do it like that? Regarding the gate.

[catboi]

In fact, I feel like I should live my own words - after spending several hours reading and catching up, I felt a significant part of the discussion had devolved into strategic minutiae and awkward jockeying for position and I feel the productiveness of such discussion is limited. It's very easy to get lost in the weeds of such arguments and they cease to be particularly illuminating. I think actions speak louder and I want less idle shuffling of the feet.


VOTE: Gate

I'm a little annoyed by this post, because it seems like I'm not being heard despite being dangerously close to the one of the top posters

Why would I care what you have to say?

[absinthe]

(also, I have a guess about Briar and Ana's mains, which I am looking forward to figuring out if they are right)

I do too.

Tempted to PM my guesses to the mod as a postgame "game".

[Lukewarm]

(also, I have a guess about Briar and Ana's mains, which I am looking forward to figuring out if they are right)

How ... did you find out if you are NEW HERE.

I have played with one of my guesses. I have not played with the other. But I recently read through an old game because that game's set up is being used again in another game I am in, and yall's interactions used some of the same terms as my guess's interactions in that old game. Specifically

It took me some time but I finally realized

our soul connection cannot be broken

in these different bodies.

[Lukewarm]

(also, I have a guess about Briar and Ana's mains, which I am looking forward to figuring out if they are right)

I do too.

Tempted to PM my guesses to the mod as a postgame "game".

That could be fun. PM him, and ask him to put our guesses in the Mod chat

[absinthe]

With Luke's decision, there's no one else I'm willing to entertain as a Keep choice.

Wh-

Well okay then.

You're surprised?

[Anastasia]

I am simultaneously thrilled and extremely scared because it's finally happening!!

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Wall

[Briar]

Damn okay let's fucking PARTY.

[absinthe]

VOTE: Wall

Interesting.

[catboi]

When I speak about outcomes it's definitely more on the side of the argumentative process? I put a lot of thought into what I want to say and even so far as Briar described it earlier as 'Diplomatic.' I don't think you're the only one who isn't understanding me so my own admitting of defeat is just

Resetting and see what comes of it. When it comes to the other aspect of 'responding to things naturally' that's just me saying I exaggerate sometimes. I wasn't being entirely genuine when it came to Ana for example because I thought maybe I could illcit a response out of her that would give me a better read. My initial dislike was absolutely true, but I should've just backed away and let the thread progress

I wanted to clarify this because I think the basis of catboi's read on me (from what I can determine) is this action and previous ones, so we're just not understanding each other, I'd like to fix that. The same goes with you

That was the start of it but I think the way you've responded to me and your input into the thread has given me no reason to think you're town; I think you were twisting yourself into logical pretzels trying to justify yourself to anastasia and while you were seemingly hinting at not townreading me your response to my making move last night didn't look like that.

[catboi]

VOTE: Wall

hm

[Briar]

I don't know what I'm supposed to make of Dunnstral picking the Wall if anything.