Dogs Vs. Cats Mafia | Endgame

[Thestatusquo]

VoteCount 1.17

Andante [6]

Nero Cain, norwegianboyEE, dwlee99, save the dragons, sircakez, farkran

Kazyan [3]

raya36, brave heart lion, murdercat

Beeboy [2]

pooky, unwnd

Farkran [2]

chara, anya

xofelf [1]

toadette

kdowns [1]

Andante

NorwegianboyEE [1]

shiro

flow trap [1]

kazyan

anya [1]

firebringer

Ivyeo [1]

flow trap

toadette [1]

flea

Not Voting [4]

Beeboy, kdowns, xofelf, ivyeo

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-05-17 20:33:31)

[Andante]

It probably wasn't me I isod myself

People ISO themselves?

[Andante]

Mod note: I'm pretty nifty with regular vote counts, but not usually at 4 am while I am asleep.

LMAOOOOO vote counts in your sleep XD

[unwnd]

Another aspect of it really is the fact I'm pretty sure Beeboy is not posting because he's scum. This is something I'm not really a fan of in general. It's exactly as Pooky said where it's reaching a trust tell and it has to be stopped. I will vote Beeboy every time under this pretense and if people don't see my own interpretations then they could at least have faith that this tell is truth. The people who are skirting around the issue at this point in a confbiased perspective are just potential mates who either A) pissed at him for flaking again B) trying to not lose a partner due to dumb shit. I don't really think all partners would assume the same thing and just tell me 'oh well maybe he's just busy' but I think Norwee and Farkran's response to it was the worst. Seriously Farkran how could you possibly townread Beeboy here for like two fucking posts lol. That immediately just tripped my alarms and Norwee is again playing to the whole latching on aspect.

[unwnd]

So yeah to the people who hate reading

Andante wagon bad because it is cultivated by potential Beeboy partners; Andante is limbait at worst
Beeboy partners mad that Beeboy not post
Beeboy continue to not post, we should vote him

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

[Andante]

i feel like i like Ivy (this is in response to Fark), but there is a sense of "newer player" vibe, which i don't mean in a bad way but i do read differently than a player with more games, possibly incorrectly.

non-committal i get, i don't really get the feeling she's piggybacking off of others. but i do wish she'd give more reads because i did like her start, and now she could be characterized as floatier. possibly scum here who's having some trouble in a big game.

pedit: ideally the honest answer but i appreciate that honesty too.

Why does it really matter if someone is new or not? we're not trying to read to find out who has the most experience. I look at actual content given and go from there (yes I know yall have minimal from me) but like, I'll look at reasons for votes (not in RVS) and all that, and new or not, doesn't make a difference...

[NorwegianboyEE]

Now, am I saying that you and Norwee have to be together for reasons that I've yet to detail? Not necessarily, but I think what I get of Norwee in the games I've played with him is two things:

Do you remember which games that is?

[unwnd]

Now, am I saying that you and Norwee have to be together for reasons that I've yet to detail? Not necessarily, but I think what I get of Norwee in the games I've played with him is two things:

Do you remember which games that is?

Large normal where you died (Town)
Booneytunez where you were scum and I had the right read on you

I specced some of your recents too when you were town. I just don't get the impression you love being scum and you have a hard time emulating your own energy. I get that you said you were busy because of work but I digress. I also don't like your content so it's not exclusively energy meta tells.

[Andante]

Idea: People can find so many reasons to scumread Andante mostly because she has so many posts. Thus, more chances to say something someone dislikes, regardless of alignment.

it's so hard to scumread Kaz when they make posts like this.

i also feel like i know how they think more than most of the thread and on a day 1 like this that makes me not want to vote them.

I'm just afraid it's a white knight

I 100% kinda get that feeling, like, that way Kaz gets "town points" for when I flip town. Cause it's a very generic statement, probably used before, applicable here, and it's meant to have me going "Kaz defending me? ok, TR them"

[Kazyan]

So yeah to the people who hate reading

Andante wagon bad because it is cultivated by potential Beeboy partners; Andante is limbait at worst
Beeboy partners mad that Beeboy not post
Beeboy continue to not post, we should vote him

Eh, screw it, seems legit. VOTE: Beeboy

[Flea The Magician]

Spoiler: In the break of new dawn

could also just lynch flow trap so we don't have to read through 15576585667575 one-sentence replies

I'm game for this, ngl.

I will be a good girl (a good REAL girl) and read up to the current page even though it is a massive chunk of my pad time but I am not producing any content once I finish

Are you like pinnocio Toadette? If you say that you're real enough times does it happen?

This is a big game with lots of new people but please try to put in an effort to get pronouns right for those who have a preference. Sometimes people don't correct you themselves because they don't have the spoons even if it did matter to them.

This so hard.

Every incorrect pronoun on a person is a tiny little chip, and with enough chips you can destroy something. Effort is always appriciated <3

Spoiler: My hope is forlorn

OKAY

VOTE: Firebringer

Finally got some time to read through this game but fireheart must go with all the doggos!

As the self proclaimed leader, hes first

What even is this?

Spoiler: Shadows they will fade

Grrr

It was only a matter of time before the Lion broke character!

If it helps, I dunno who you are and it's clear you don't know me that well

ok so significantly more likely to be wolf if he doesn't play basically

why do we have a page of meta discussion? yeesh.

Spoiler: But I'm always in the shade

I'm halfway through the game

Undecieded on Kazyanheart

Decidedly town on Dweeheart

Also decidedly town on Farheart

Wait who's farheart if i am farkheart?

I assumed it was you but typo'd, if not then its me, surprisingly.

Hi, I'm here and reading

good luck el catto

She posts a lot and doesn't explain herself. Okay?

Explaining yourself and trying to get town to achieve its goals is just pro-town play. ofc this feeds into your "Nero sees the game a certain way and those that don't conform he thinks are bad actors." And sure. Her calling kdowns scum but not really explaining why or trying to convince people she's right just looks bad to me. I think her xofelf reasoning is poor and possibly made up. And her not reacting to the mini-case I put on her seems bad as well and when I asked why she didn't respond to it she didn't respond.

Now I have come to realize that people like "fun". shit/fluff posting and being social although the fun for me is actually just playing the game, I may even be somewhat of a hypocrite b/c I do make jokes and troll posts every once in a while but I'm not excessive with it.

I'm just old and grumpy so I'm prone to scumread ISO's that are mostly fluff posting b/c I don't think its benefits the town as much and is helpful for the scum team.

I think the way the game is played today is that it's mostly suicide to defend your buddies though it prob does happen. I mean sure if Dante flips scum it could just mean you are uninformed town but it's not

impossible

that you'd defend her either, especially if she has a good role. I feel like your "beware of the bussers!" is kinda muddying the waters a bit. Also if this is indeed MB you could be scum that's defending scum from the other team.

If Andante is scum she's doing her role properly as a distraction

I agree that she's a distraction from hunting other scum and its a decent reason to eliminate her.

I agree with this, there is a line between fluff and anti-town fluff.

Spoiler: Without you...

independently of the spam I think flow trap is scummy. their posts are mostly meaningless and seem to just be trying to keep up appearances.

Good post, Towncakez.

I would like to formally announce that your general is forming a new alliance. This isn't your racist rat or dog federation that only allows a certain species in. Here at Animals for the Defense of Animal town or ADAT we welcome all creatures.

will you join me cakez and dwelee?

I'm down.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Now, am I saying that you and Norwee have to be together for reasons that I've yet to detail? Not necessarily, but I think what I get of Norwee in the games I've played with him is two things:

Do you remember which games that is?

Large normal where you died (Town)
Booneytunez where you were scum and I had the right read on you

I specced some of your recents too when you were town. I just don't get the impression you love being scum and you have a hard time emulating your own energy. I get that you said you were busy because of work but I digress. I also don't like your content so it's not exclusively energy meta tells.

You're literally using my work related breaks as an excuse to scumread me.

[unwnd]

You mean I don't like your content that you post when you have freetime? Are you saying it wouldn't be scummy if you weren't busy or something lol

[Flea The Magician]

ok I got World of Darkness to play so my catchup stops here, on page 45.
VOTE: NorwegianBoyEE[/b]

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: NorwegianBoyEE

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you need to see me flip town to understand it's not scum indicative for me that's fine. But don't go complaining later on.
As for my content, what's bad?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Vote:norwegianboyEE

Worst vote on a bad wagon.

Rodent friends rise against the cats. No longer shall we lie down to be eaten. Today we fight back.

why do you think the wagon is bad?

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

LOL. Opportunism 101.
VOTE: Save the Dragons

[Andante]

Oh is it my turn to write up a huge ass wall

First off, I appreciate your response Nero. I don't disagree with your mentality but the situation to me is a bit different. You could say my reason to be so adamantly against Andante is that I think at worst she's limbait. That in it's essence is effecting how I am reading Andante as well, and why I wanted to talk about potential bussers. I don't do and say things without there being some underlying purpose. I mentioned the idea because a decent fraction of people who are currently voting her I dislike. Two of them being exclusively Norwee and Farkran. Is there some world that exists where (Norwee/Farkran) both see Andante is causing a scene and feel obligated to vote their partner who is simply making them look worse while reaping the spoils of sweet towncred? Sure possibly. I'm not against the situation just because two people I scumread are on it. I'm against the situation because I think they're more deserving of attention. It doesn't take a keen eye to look at Andante's content and go 'wow yeah she sure posts a lot and doesn't explain herself!' That's a level zero commitment and I was getting tired of hearing about it. Andante could again be scum and it'd just be playing into the hands of her teammates none the less.

So I also wanted to talk about Fark/Norwee while I was here because I'm not going to try and mislead you. I just want to say that Farkran's approach to me is sensible. I do like it in a vacuum but the effort also feels intentional on his part. I think this is about once or twice now that he's just said 'oh well we so disagree but like you're still town' and I think I got it the first time? Fark why are you so worried if I disagree with you that seems to be a common topic. That isn't the main reason I'm concerned about you but it just seems like you're trying to silence a potential lead while alleviating my own concern as if to show you're not a bad guy. Credit due, I do like that you said 'maybe it's just a D1 Large and he's having trouble' or something to that degree. I could be having trouble but I'm not going to let that stop me because there's still 24 people to get through I suppose. Now, am I saying that you and Norwee have to be together for reasons that I've yet to detail? Not necessarily, but I think what I get of Norwee in the games I've played with him is two things: He loves to be town. When he isn't town, he isn't. This isn't the first game I was able to catch him because I think he fits the mold for a very common meta trait that happens these days, and it's the hyperposty aggro fun kind. There are no traits of that distinguished here and I think at worst he's trying to latch onto you and familiar people to try and skirt by. Generally speaking I also dislike the choices he's made thus far and believe they're worth scrutiny. It's two things and I believe you two (heh) are acting weirdly aligned in a way that shouldn't be if you're both just uninformed town.

I wanted to give my thoughts on these paragraphs.
> YES! Like, I feel like a scumread on me (at the point I got all the votes) was a Zero effort read. I have the highest post count, it is not hard to read me, and as the game goes on, I'll be spewing more content at yall, like, I'm never a slot who barely posts. If people were actually trying to scumhunt, wouldn't they be trying to look at pretty much any other slot? Like, I'm being SRed off RVS content, and the fact I didn't get too serious.... like, no one scumreading me is cause like "the read on X is so bad" I haven't outed big reads, just given who I'm leaning town on, sure I called people scum, I never gave giant reasons. Personally, I don't feel like there's even a legit reason out there to fos me, as those that do fos me aren't really trying to interact with me. A few yall said I'm ignoring questions, that's not the goal, I likely didn't see it, plus I've already answered them.

> I don't really have a comment on Fark, but Norwee called someone out for voting me without a reason, then voted me, sooo I'm already feeling that something is going on there... I'd have to look more into them to give true thoughts though

[Andante]

Andante wagon bad because it is cultivated by potential Beeboy partners; Andante is limbait at worst

If we're convinced Beeboy scum, wouldn't it make the most sense to get Beeboy, then evaluate?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Unwnd i don't think your logic is bad or scummy, it's just missing the relevant context and thus you come to the wrong conclusion, i don't want to argue with you about it further because i think you're just town and i got bigger things to fry.

[MURDERCAT]

I'd like to give beeboy some more time tbh

[Save The Dragons]

how is it opportunistic when you had one vote on you

[Andante]

You're literally using my work related breaks as an excuse to scumread me.

I'm not speaking for them, but to me it's like, what matters is the type of content you give when you are here, so if your content is good, who cares what 1 or 2 people think? you litterally need 13 for a lim

[unwnd]

Well your initial posting is the exact thing I was trying to describe in my fuckhuge wall. You spent a lot of time observing the landscape and going golly gee familiar people I am so glad to be here with you all! This is fine and I'm not basing my scumread on you for being excited to play with people. I was excited to play with chara/Isis myself. However, your content is exclusively made around people you're familiar with. And a lot of doesn't really serve any purpose but to kiss ass. Why are you not considerate that possibly your friends could be scum here or that you could use that familiarity to get more out of them. You instead just focus on the fact you're friends and nothing else. Then comes your reasons which is are all very matter-of-fact but don't feel deserved. I don't anticipate you as someone who gets super detailed, but not to the point where you're at right now.