Open 812 Guardians of the Fortress - Game Over

[Dunnstral]

absinthe, would you say you're the kind of person who would make your own decision or would you pick what others are saying?

Or at least, how do you think you would be perceived prior to being swapped into the Gate and turned IC. I think Ana would have went with their own reads

[Briar]

Unwnd is just a magnet for our attention and love. And hate apparently but we hate the haters.

[unwnd]

You're wrong about me and a lot of things between us feel unresolved in general

That feels like your fault tbh

Is it? I gave you two direct responses to try and start conversation prior to you saying 'why should you care what I think' or something like that

[Briar]

When the Keep flips I beg of you all to remember my thoughts and cases btw I want to feel smart after this game is over.

[unwnd]

In fact, I feel like I should live my own words - after spending several hours reading and catching up, I felt a significant part of the discussion had devolved into strategic minutiae and awkward jockeying for position and I feel the productiveness of such discussion is limited. It's very easy to get lost in the weeds of such arguments and they cease to be particularly illuminating. I think actions speak louder and I want less idle shuffling of the feet.


VOTE: Gate

I'm a little annoyed by this post, because it seems like I'm not being heard despite being dangerously close to the one of the top posters

Why would I care what you have to say?

Because I am not infallible, I can be wrong and my read on you is largely established for gut reasons and the fact other players are more prominent in my mind

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Here

[Lukewarm]

Not what I expected.

Not what I wanted.

I saw this as a possibility. Part of the reason I decided against going Keep, and gave it to you. But yeah, lots to process

[Briar]

Also re 1130 I think WIOFM cancels that out in theory because if you ended up deciding between me/catboi you would have to take into account the possibility that you're being set up. Maybe not in practice, but I think I would still certainly prefer to have Briar decide than absinthe.

Why's that?

[Lukewarm]

Ignore the dumb speculation about absinth. Ok, Infinity is confirmed scum?

I think Infinity is almost certainly scum, but not necessarily confirmed I guess? If scum managed a 1-1-1 split, they could have swapped 2 town players. Does not seem likely, but theoretically possible.

[absinthe]

Okay, so my strategy is basically I think we should just like, let the three of us at the Keep throw around our reads a bit and then hammer in there; I am almost positive Infinity is scum, but on the off chance Ana is being a rapscallion playing in her silly ways I don't want to freeze out Infinity entirely; that and she has to try and to like, do /something/ unless she's just not going to post at all and concede the point to town to avoid associatives.

Infinity is confirmed scum because absinthe is confirmed town at the keep

Look, you don't know Ana. She's a real trickster. An imp. Prone to the most chaotic of moves you've ever seen. She'll do something you'll never expect as scum just because she can. Because she wants to. For the thrill of a good gambit. There's nothing that could tame that wild spirit within her that just wants to see the world burn down and I am the only person here armed with a fire hose ready to extinguish it if she's on a path of destruction.

I agree with this assessment of Ana's scum game. but I kinda doubt she's scum. But it doesn't matter. I'm townreading Briar. And this is not the worst of all possible worlds!

[Something_Smart]

So Catboi and S_S both think Unwnd at the wall... why?

I did not like 755 as it felt like playing up outrage instead of actually engaging with your (valid) point
I did not at all like unwnd's townread of me. I thought catboi's point that unwnd was trying to tie themself to me was reasonable. I don't think it's any less reasonable now that I know catboi is scum.
Their opening post today is also really weird and feels hollow considering making absinthe IC makes a lot of sense from a lot of perspectives and 1/2/0 in Wall/Gate/Keep was kinda what everyone thought anyway
I thought Lukewarm had several genuine posts that would be surprising to come from new-ish scum
I would also be surprised to see scum-you talk about how you would scumclaim by instant jumping into the 2-town Keep followed by jumping into the 2-town Wall (which your team would REALLY need to win).

[catboi]

I'm gonna do that ISO thing rather than keep begging senpai (Briar) to notice (townread) me

[Briar]

I'm gonna do that ISO thing rather than keep begging senpai (Briar) to notice (townread) me

You won't charm me, fiend.

[Lukewarm]

but I thought you thought scum was at the keep?

We've went over this. I'm now at the phase where I'm ready to push everyone who keeps bringing this up as I believe it's a scum tell to tunnel in on that aspect

I tried looking back at your iso and couldn't find an explanation

Agreed. Last thing he said was "people are not understanding me" and then dropped it.

[Something_Smart]

I think it makes sense, send people with more WIM to other places to fight.

I'm not exactly Mr. WIM as scum though. My scumgame usually flags eventually as I find it harder and harder to make an effort; maybe I'd be better this game because it's only two days. Not sure. I think I'd also be demoralized by the way the day ended, unless it was planned with Dunnstral.

[Something_Smart]

Why's that?

Because you don't scumread me and aren't ffery

[unwnd]

So Catboi and S_S both think Unwnd at the wall... why?

I did not like 755 as it felt like playing up outrage instead of actually engaging with your (valid) point
I did not at all like unwnd's townread of me. I thought catboi's point that unwnd was trying to tie themself to me was reasonable. I don't think it's any less reasonable now that I know catboi is scum.
Their opening post today is also really weird and feels hollow considering making absinthe IC makes a lot of sense from a lot of perspectives and 1/2/0 in Wall/Gate/Keep was kinda what everyone thought anyway
I thought Lukewarm had several genuine posts that would be surprising to come from new-ish scum
I would also be surprised to see scum-you talk about how you would scumclaim by instant jumping into the 2-town Keep followed by jumping into the 2-town Wall (which your team would REALLY need to win).

Dunn reacts more strongly to direct call-outs. I've contested Dunn multiple times with both of us clashing on different ideals. I don't have an absolute tell on when he's doing it as scum, but I typically like to read him based on reactivity instead of letting him idle throughout the game

[Briar]

I think it makes sense, send people with more WIM to other places to fight.

I'm not exactly Mr. WIM as scum though. My scumgame usually flags eventually as I find it harder and harder to make an effort; maybe I'd be better this game because it's only two days. Not sure. I think I'd also be demoralized by the way the day ended, unless it was planned with Dunnstral.

Meh, I think that objectively you had more than Infinity at this point even if she was trying to get back into it? Doesn't matter too much to me currently though, I'm inclined to think you're town over catboi.

p-edit: Okay true.

[Something_Smart]

So your post about the bravado was a reaction test? What reactions were you expecting as scum vs town?

pedit: @unwnd

[absinthe]

absinthe, would you say you're the kind of person who would make your own decision or would you pick what others are saying?

Or at least, how do you think you would be perceived prior to being swapped into the Gate and turned IC. I think Ana would have went with their own reads

How would you have perceived me coming into Day 2?

[unwnd]

So your post about the bravado was a reaction test? What reactions were you expecting as scum vs town?

pedit: @unwnd

I find when Dunn is town the ends justify the means. When he's scum, he spends a lot of time in this mode of fake thinking. There's a more general vagueness and I feel like he's less battered because he doesn't want to risk the attention. This plays in part of him idling at times. Dunn isn't a hyperposter and keeps to himself, and I don't think he's the scum to make big moves. He waits for people to make mistakes and then capitalizes on them.

[Dunnstral]

My point was that logically, because scum hadn't jumped into that group, it was more likely for them to be scum themselves.

Until a bunch of slots which had a high chance of containing scum started questioning me as if I was a crazy person.

Which, I wasn't, by the way. I was right. If Infinity had hopped into the keep when I was talking about it, this game would probably be harder for the town to win.

So, like I said when originally questioned:

If I were scum and Briar/Ana were both town, I'd already be in the Keep

I'd treat this as a scumclaim

Go on

It's not town-motivated at all to lock in a vote without discussing here, especially since it encourages scum to do the same.

And if I do scum claim, what are you going to do about it?

What the hell is this bravado man

It's not bravado, this is a continuation of me saying what I'd do if I were scum here, and why I sort of doubt briar + ana as town

So you agree with my own assumption earlier?

That there's scum in those 3? Logically yes, but it feels like nobody understands what I'm getting at, so actually no.

I have a feeling that Infinity is scum here

[Lukewarm]

if Unwnd/Luke are both town then he needs to jump on the wall to prevent an auto-lose

how so

May already be answered, but responding as I read.

If Briar+Ana+Absinthe were town, all locked into the Keep and Me+Unwnd are town locked into the Wall, then if the last town makes it into the wall, it is an auto lose for scum.

I'm still thinking on everything, but that was Ana's point.

[Something_Smart]

I find when Dunn is town the ends justify the means. When he's scum, he spends a lot of time in this mode of fake thinking. There's a more general vagueness and I feel like he's less battered because he doesn't want to risk the attention. This plays in part of him idling at times. Dunn isn't a hyperposter and keeps to himself, and I don't think he's the scum to make big moves. He waits for people to make mistakes and then capitalizes on them.

Okay so... does that explain 755? Did you know it wasn't really bravado?

[Dunnstral]

absinthe, would you say you're the kind of person who would make your own decision or would you pick what others are saying?

Or at least, how do you think you would be perceived prior to being swapped into the Gate and turned IC. I think Ana would have went with their own reads

How would you have perceived me coming into Day 2?

It's not something I would be thinking about, but I'd say more likely than not to pick what the group wants in the end vs personal reads

[unwnd]

I find when Dunn is town the ends justify the means. When he's scum, he spends a lot of time in this mode of fake thinking. There's a more general vagueness and I feel like he's less battered because he doesn't want to risk the attention. This plays in part of him idling at times. Dunn isn't a hyperposter and keeps to himself, and I don't think he's the scum to make big moves. He waits for people to make mistakes and then capitalizes on them.

Okay so... does that explain 755? Did you know it wasn't really bravado?

It seemed pretty fake honestly yeah