Open 812 Guardians of the Fortress - Game Over

[Lukewarm]

Please stop talking about the stupid fucking mechanics

I was not trying to talk mechanics... I was trying to talk about his motivation for locking into the wall. To see if I thought the decision was town motivated or scum motivated. Isn't that how you are supposed to play this game?

Before I talked to him, I could only come up with a scum motivation (which was based on mechanics), but once I talked to him, I decided that I can see a potential town motivation.

I have not decided on either of you yet, but I do feel like that was a productive conversation for us to have.

I personally got nothing out of it knowing

1) How dunn is
2) The previous points I just made

Okay... you got nothing from it.

I got myself out of a tunnel.

Before that conversation, I could not understand why town!dunn would have ever made the play that he did, and therefore had a hard time thinking of him in any way other then 100% scum. Now, I can see a logical reason for town!dunn to have made the play. Now I can step back and examine both of you more clearly.

Seems like a productive time to me.

[unwnd]

Ok well

If I haven't made it clear enough

I have to solve the both of you

I'm fine with you two sharing a heartfelt moment over statistical data, but work with my sensibilities

[Dunnstral]

Let's start somewhere else

The whole game pretty much agrees that Infinity is caught scum. That's very much a given. I would like to state if you're not paying attention that both the two people who have a confirmed scum in them think I'm evil. Who's bussing me?

Counterpoint:

If you're scum, you're in a better position than either of s_s or catboi. It's you who has to help t hem, not the other way around. It's possible for you to go undetected in this pair and still lose the game.

Rephrasing that, right now s_s vs catboi is more important, and if town wins that group, they are very likely to win the game. The same is true of this group, as well, but you're under a lot less pressure

[unwnd]

Let's start somewhere else

The whole game pretty much agrees that Infinity is caught scum. That's very much a given. I would like to state if you're not paying attention that both the two people who have a confirmed scum in them think I'm evil. Who's bussing me?

Counterpoint:

If you're scum, you're in a better position than either of s_s or catboi. It's you who has to help t hem, not the other way around. It's possible for you to go undetected in this pair and still lose the game.

Rephrasing that, right now s_s vs catboi is more important, and if town wins that group, they are very likely to win the game. The same is true of this group, as well, but you're under a lot less pressure

I don't understand how I need to help them, my best option here is to play stupid and let them fight their own battles

[Dunnstral]

Ok well

If I haven't made it clear enough

I have to solve the both of you

I'm fine with you two sharing a heartfelt moment over statistical data, but work with my sensibilities

Do you think that all 3 scum were the last people who hadn't voted for a position yet, and that I then hammered wall for no reason as a sort of gambit to make my team look better?\\Because if you don't think that, then you should probably think catboi is scum, actually, and we can probably win off of that

[Lukewarm]

My entire line of questioning was trying to get to the answer of "if you are town, why would you have done this"

Sorry, if that ended up including some mechanical talk /s

[Dunnstral]

Let's start somewhere else

The whole game pretty much agrees that Infinity is caught scum. That's very much a given. I would like to state if you're not paying attention that both the two people who have a confirmed scum in them think I'm evil. Who's bussing me?

Counterpoint:

If you're scum, you're in a better position than either of s_s or catboi. It's you who has to help t hem, not the other way around. It's possible for you to go undetected in this pair and still lose the game.

Rephrasing that, right now s_s vs catboi is more important, and if town wins that group, they are very likely to win the game. The same is true of this group, as well, but you're under a lot less pressure

I don't understand how I need to help them, my best option here is to play stupid and let them fight their own battles

No

If you're scum, and one of catboi/s_s is scum, and infinity is scum

You will lose the game if your partner between catboi/s_s gets eliminated

So just playing stupid isn't a valid strategy

[Lukewarm]

But regardless, finding the scum in the wall is less pressing then finding the scum at the gate imo, so I am more then happy for the conversation to change direction

[unwnd]

Ok well

If I haven't made it clear enough

I have to solve the both of you

I'm fine with you two sharing a heartfelt moment over statistical data, but work with my sensibilities

Do you think that all 3 scum were the last people who hadn't voted for a position yet, and that I then hammered wall for no reason as a sort of gambit to make my team look better?\\Because if you don't think that, then you should probably think catboi is scum, actually, and we can probably win off of that

Can I say with true sincerity that thinking about what scum did last night hurts my head

I was running with my own smallbrain idea that You/Infinity got caught out. However I'm not the person to bury someone (or even try) based on mechanics. I want to treat that as happenstance exclusively

[Lukewarm]

I say that, but it is 3 am. I am going to sleep.

@absinthe, please solve the keep correctly so that I don't actually end up the deciding vote this game

[unwnd]

Let's start somewhere else

The whole game pretty much agrees that Infinity is caught scum. That's very much a given. I would like to state if you're not paying attention that both the two people who have a confirmed scum in them think I'm evil. Who's bussing me?

Counterpoint:

If you're scum, you're in a better position than either of s_s or catboi. It's you who has to help t hem, not the other way around. It's possible for you to go undetected in this pair and still lose the game.

Rephrasing that, right now s_s vs catboi is more important, and if town wins that group, they are very likely to win the game. The same is true of this group, as well, but you're under a lot less pressure

I don't understand how I need to help them, my best option here is to play stupid and let them fight their own battles

No

If you're scum, and one of catboi/s_s is scum, and infinity is scum

You will lose the game if your partner between catboi/s_s gets eliminated

So just playing stupid isn't a valid strategy

That isn't what is happening though, in regards to me being scum. That's why I'm much more wanting to get more out of them and why I've been urging the fact that

both

of them scumread me means something probably isn't right. I think both of them merely see a popular opinion they can work with and it will be like pulling teeth to see which of them just really believes Ana.

[Something_Smart]

Oh also I was avoiding saying it before Dunn answered my question at the start of the day but then I forgot. I think the Dunn townslip has a decent chance of being legit.

[unwnd]

I guess I actually see what you're saying though

S_S/Catboi will be the determining factor because we should be up by 1 after we eliminate Infinity

But that's an inevitability. Like I said I do enjoy being right but I also enjoy the credit too. I'm not gonna sit on my hands and not try to figure out who's being disingenuous towards me

[Anastasia]

<3 Unwnd

I feel bad for you in so many ways and I wish I thought you were town

[unwnd]

I really am town and I'm not sure what else I could possibly do to prove that lol

[Anastasia]

Well you don't need to "prove" it per se.

If you're town, you just need to correctly solve in the Gate and we shall win together.

[Anastasia]

I do feel awful though if I've been wrong about you all along sorry <3

[unwnd]

Don't feel awful

It's a game, I would never get seriously mad at you. I am allowed to be mad in-game though!

Let me know if it's ever taken too far/makes you feel bad

[Anastasia]

I guess I feel bad about how conf-biased I am on your slot, I want to give you a fair shot but I think the other two have towntold a lot more than you and thats why I'm still holding out hope that you sweep me off my feet with an amazing solve that I know you are capable of <3

[Infinity 324]

Infinity is confirmed scum because absinthe is confirmed town at the keep

Scum can swap town with town if there's 1 scum in each group.

I don't know if I have much agency here, I think briar is probably the scum because ana promised to vote for the other in this group but yeah.

[unwnd]

Personally what annoys me is that the idea of them towntelling is simply because they're more into the sauce

A lot of their conversation was revolved around mechanics and I'm out of my element in some regard. It's not that I can't handle mechanics, I just don't like using it to that extent. I certainly can't fucking fake it as scum or even try. That isn't true of Dunn however which is why I wanted to contest both him/Lukewarm

[unwnd]

Infinity I am shocked you showed up with the whole game pretty much agreeing you're scum

[Anastasia]

I agree that it's unfair to you that they are clearing themselves off mech nonsense.

[Infinity 324]

I mean once people realize I'm town, it might be useful to have my thoughts in the thread.

If I was more confident on the town in my group I would quickvote here but idk. I hope ana and briar don't rush this.

[unwnd]

See now you're just trying to win my heart, saying that in my time of need