Open 811 - Lovers and Losers (New Game+) [Game Over]

[Kerset]

Just accept the fact that not everyone thinks like you. Both me and ana didn't mech talk in PT and we cant be scum together now. It all depends on player and their playstyle, not alignment. Two players, who were not interested in this meet in PT in this game. Whine about it more and i will indeed ignore you.

[Bingle]

i have said what my reasoning is multiple times, yet you still refuse to acknowledge it.

I have repeatedly said that your reasoning is wrong, because it is.

[Bingle]

Do you want me to get banned for holding a grudge? You need to take my word that i dont enjoy talking with him and dont confuse it with dislike towards player

FWIW, while I'm sad you continue to hold the grudge nothing you've done about it is banworthy. To the best of my knowledge, you've never let it influence your actions in a game to the point where it would be outside interference. I'm sorry that you dislike talking to me, and if you'd prefer I can avoid games with you, but I hold no ill will towards you and can admit that the endgame was probably more toxic than it should have been. I remember vaguely being intensely frustrated over you continually twisting my words, but that's kind of what the game of mafia is about.

[RationalMadman]

but also because you are actively refusing to listen to what i have to say, and trying to strawman my argument.

I sit in a position where I know your argument to be inherently wrong, and I'm not strawmanning it. I'm outright telling you there's nothing relevant to be discussed in the

mason thread

for this game.

I have emboldened what is likely a slip, however, I can factor in that Bingle is emotionally displaying severe stress and this could be a brainfart made as Town lover hypothetically. I am going to wait for a lot more interaction before voting, which was also my plan last game until the fiesta happened (due in part to me), I always wanted anlong Day Phase 1 because it lets more slips and reads occur, even more so if nobody outs initially but that's irrelevant this game since everyone has willingly outed.

[Bingle]

Back to the game, I don't think this push from VV is necessarily a scum push, and I endorse Kerset's T-Bone vote for the moment.

VOTE: T-Bone

[Bingle]

I have emboldened what is likely a slip, however, I can factor in that Bingle is emotionally displaying severe stress and this could be a brainfart made as Town lover hypothetically. I am going to wait for a lot more interaction before voting, which was also my plan last game until the fiesta happened (due in part to me), I always wanted anlong Day Phase 1 because it lets more slips and reads occur, even more so if nobody outs initially but that's irrelevant this game since everyone has willingly outed.

The lovers are mechanically masons, that's not a slip.

[RationalMadman]

Because of that brainfart/slip I am absolutely certain that Vex vs Bingle+Ker isn't a bus relationship, it's authentic.

[RationalMadman]

I have emboldened what is likely a slip, however, I can factor in that Bingle is emotionally displaying severe stress and this could be a brainfart made as Town lover hypothetically. I am going to wait for a lot more interaction before voting, which was also my plan last game until the fiesta happened (due in part to me), I always wanted anlong Day Phase 1 because it lets more slips and reads occur, even more so if nobody outs initially but that's irrelevant this game since everyone has willingly outed.

The lovers are mechanically masons, that's not a slip.

Mechanically neighbors but I can understand the logic, so you genuinely meant mason thread?

[Vex Vience]

no mechanically masons

[Bingle]

In this setup, I'll probably use the terms mason lovers and hydrae interchangeably, yes.

They're mechanically masons because they know their neighbor's alignment.

[Vex Vience]

masons are mod-confirmed to be both town, (though in some games, it's just explicitly not mafia)
neighbors are not mod-confirmed to be both town

[RationalMadman]

But the mod hasn't confirmed anything, they can't recruit and as Bingle just mentioned, he considers Lovers to be hydra, not masons when using another term. Vex defending it is strange here.

[RationalMadman]

Lovers can be scum via the setup Mod provides.

[Vex Vience]

But the mod hasn't confirmed anything, they can't recruit and as Bingle just mentioned, he considers Lovers to be hydra, not masons when using another term. Vex defending it is strange here.

not defending, clarifying, since the role of mason and neighbor are two different things

[Bingle]

But the mod hasn't confirmed anything, they can't recruit and as Bingle just mentioned, he considers Lovers to be hydra, not masons when using another term. Vex defending it is strange here.

What?

[Vex Vience]

Neighbors are players that can speak to each other. Unlike Masons, there is no guarantee made of any Neighbor's alignment. It is up to the moderator's discretion whether they can only speak at night, or at any time.

Masons are a group of players who can speak to each other privately and know that everyone in their group is not a member of the Mafia... In Normal games, Masons are absolutely 100% Town."

[RationalMadman]

Masons are mod confirmed to be Town. Lovers, in this game, are Mod neutral.

[RationalMadman]

What a weird argument to be having, why call it mason thread instead of lover thread and deny it was an error?

[Vex Vience]

no? because we have two sets of town lovers, and one set of scum lovers, with no mixed groups?

[Vex Vience]

if we were to have a town+scum lover with both parties being informed of the other's alignment, that'd be different.
the town+scum lover pair would be a neighborhood, not a masonry, like the town+town pair would be.

[Vex Vience]

also this isn't a bastard game, so we don't have a cult.

[Vex Vience]

Because of that brainfart/slip I am absolutely certain that Vex vs Bingle+Ker isn't a bus relationship, it's authentic.

do you think i would bus a partner in this setup?

[Bingle]

Is this the fucking twilight zone?

Me calling it the mason thread was not me thinking there was an actual masonry in the setup, it was referencing specifically that the thread contains two players mutually known to be town who could talk.

Vex was clarifying that yes, it is a thread that contains two players mutually known to be town who could talk.

Absolutely none of that was AI.

[Bingle]

do you think i would bus a partner in this setup?

Yes. There's a decent chance it would have won Llama the game last game, despite the necessity of the reroll.

[Vex Vience]

re-read what i said bingle.