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Post Post #225 (ISO) » Thu May 13, 2021 3:17 pm

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In post 220, Anastasia wrote:The way you did it with VV, I'm not sure what either of you are trying to accomplish if you're town in that argument.
If VV is town they think they've found a scum indicative thing from me.

If I'm town, I know they haven't and originally asked why they wanted something I see as NAI to read into their motivation.

Now, what is the actual alignment relevant information (based on tone/substance/motivation) that you took from that argument, if anything?
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Post Post #226 (ISO) » Thu May 13, 2021 3:24 pm

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In post 125, Vex Vience wrote:the only real reason i can see that lovers in this setup wouldn't try to discuss how to read players in this game is if they have factional communication, meaning they're scum.
town is on the time limit to discuss this before the game begins
--scum is not
In post 47, Klick wrote:
I began our lovers chat with a riveting conversation with T-Bone about the achievement goal theory of motivation. I wasn't expecting much other than '???' in response, but to my surprise, he responded with meaningful consideration of my points and proposed an alternative to the ideas I set forth in my initial post. I told him this caught me off guard and that if he was actually knowledgeable about the subject, he was probably going to realise that I only like 30% knew what I was talking about. Then he admitted that he had just googled 'achievement motivation theory' and used that to respond to me, and that he wasn't interested in talking about that anymore. Could've fooled me tbh!
Then I said I thought we'd have an easy enough time showing that we're town, and the true challenge here would be solving between the three VTs. And before we got further in our chat the game started.
Vex, I'd be interested in your thoughts on the bolded sections.
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Post Post #227 (ISO) » Thu May 13, 2021 3:27 pm

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VC 1.1

With 9 votes, it takes 5 to eliminate

T-Bone - Kerset, Bingle
Klick - Bambi Jay
Bingle - Vex Vience

Note Voting - T-Bone, Klick, Anastasia, Rational Madman, LlamaFluff

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Post Post #228 (ISO) » Thu May 13, 2021 3:29 pm

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tbf i don't really see the point in discussing something like that, but i'm honestly fine with letting it slide since i know i can read klick fairly well. i'm pretty sure i said last game that too, because of klick's performance in fakeclaim mafia, because they were an uninformed traitor.
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Post Post #229 (ISO) » Thu May 13, 2021 3:30 pm

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i do like tbone a little bit about saying he wasn't interested in talking about that anymore, implying that tbone realized the time-pressure and wanted to move on
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Post Post #230 (ISO) » Thu May 13, 2021 3:39 pm

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In post 229, Vex Vience wrote:implying that tbone realized the time-pressure and wanted to move on
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And what do you make of the fact that TBone didn't talk about anything game relevant in that summation?
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Post Post #231 (ISO) » Thu May 13, 2021 3:52 pm

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That was a painful read. I did come away from it liking Ana/RM (mostly just due to their topic summary) as town a bit.
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Post Post #232 (ISO) » Thu May 13, 2021 4:03 pm

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Honestly he humored Klick the first time so he gets points for that. Also putting this in my ego for later cuz I keep mixing up the 2 games in my head.

Tbone and Klick lover set
Ration and Ana lover set
Bingle and Kerset lover set
Vex me and Llama singles

Oh yeah I guess we can start up this topic. I also wanted us to start with solving the lovers first last game and it still stands even if I ain't one. Or do the lovers this game wanna kill the VT claims first? I ask because we can't really stop the 6 votes, I'm just announcing my preference beforehand.
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Post Post #233 (ISO) » Thu May 13, 2021 4:15 pm

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In post 232, Bambi Jay wrote:Oh yeah I guess we can start up this topic. I also wanted us to start with solving the lovers first last game and it still stands even if I ain't one. Or do the lovers this game wanna kill the VT claims first? I ask because we can't really stop the 6 votes, I'm just announcing my preference beforehand.
Doesnt matter. Only reason I had any preference (and it was barely anything) last game was one of the other two lover pairs was highly town read and I felt my survivability was high. Just target most likely to be scum. We have to hit them in both groups either way.
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Post Post #234 (ISO) » Thu May 13, 2021 4:22 pm

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In post 230, Bingle wrote:
In post 229, Vex Vience wrote:implying that tbone realized the time-pressure and wanted to move on
:/

And what do you make of the fact that TBone didn't talk about anything game relevant in that summation?
not sure. i have said now multiple times though that i feel confident in my ability to read klick, so based on that, i should be able to solve tbone as well.
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Post Post #235 (ISO) » Thu May 13, 2021 4:23 pm

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i'm fine with solving lovers first anyways, though, a part of me wants to solve vts first, because i know llama is good at deepwolfing
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Post Post #236 (ISO) » Thu May 13, 2021 4:26 pm

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tbf as well, i still do think rm/ana are town, and i still think bingle/kerset are scum.
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Post Post #237 (ISO) » Thu May 13, 2021 4:26 pm

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I would like to solve the VTs first because if Kerset is scum I will be heartbroken.
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Post Post #238 (ISO) » Thu May 13, 2021 4:27 pm

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serious question ana: are you gonna keep trying to defend kerest this entire game or no? like, i get the joke, but i am curious
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Post Post #239 (ISO) » Thu May 13, 2021 4:28 pm

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i feel like i could solve your pair based on rm, but i would also appreciate it if you didn't make yourself harder to read by constantly defending kerset based on last game
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Post Post #240 (ISO) » Thu May 13, 2021 4:30 pm

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Do you really think Kerset is scum?
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Post Post #241 (ISO) » Thu May 13, 2021 4:31 pm

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yes, honestly. i didn't, and still don't like how kerset jumped into the thread when i was 1v1ing jingle and didn't add anything substantial to the argument.
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Post Post #242 (ISO) » Thu May 13, 2021 4:33 pm

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additionally, while i was about to add a few quotes to my note pt to think about, i noticed this again, and would like to bring up something i said at the very beginning:
In post 175, Kerset wrote:Both me and ana didn't mech talk in PT and we cant be scum together now.
In post 117, Vex Vience wrote:last game, ana/kerset didn't discuss anything related to play, just flirting. you and rm discussed the setup and how to approach it. me and bambi discussed the setup and how to approach it.
scum didn't discuss anything related to play. town did.
especially with a re-roll, i think that the same pattern of town discussing play and whatnot and scum not/withholding that information would be true.
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Post Post #243 (ISO) » Thu May 13, 2021 4:34 pm

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i think my opinion on jingle/kerset is a little influenced by the fact this is my tryhard account, along with the idea i've had as scum before to more or less ignore the scum pt and play uninformed as possible
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Post Post #244 (ISO) » Thu May 13, 2021 4:35 pm

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do you think kerset has done anything particularly townie ana?
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Post Post #245 (ISO) » Thu May 13, 2021 5:00 pm

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In post 235, Vex Vience wrote:i'm fine with solving lovers first anyways, though, a part of me wants to solve vts first, because i know llama is good at deepwolfing
Still have no idea where this is coming from... this is the third game I have been since I quit playing about three or four years back. I just tend to be able to be calm and logical which people like.

It actually does tie into why I think the Ana/RM pair is town though. If Ana who was scum with me last game is making a large part of their pregame talk being worried about me seems to come from a point of being town who will be unable to read me. That feels more natural than scum suddenly not seeing me on the team anymore as they have no idea what sort of town player I am.
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Post Post #246 (ISO) » Thu May 13, 2021 7:05 pm

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I am way too ill to process the nonsense I just read for most of this

T-Bone where are the scum
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Post Post #247 (ISO) » Thu May 13, 2021 8:33 pm

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@Kerset, Bingle, Bambi - Please explain your vote split over a single pair.
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Post Post #248 (ISO) » Thu May 13, 2021 8:39 pm

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My early gut is this is one of:

Vex-Klick/TBone
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Post Post #249 (ISO) » Thu May 13, 2021 8:46 pm

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This is a stark contrast to your type of content from last game Llama
My gut reads that as alignment-indicative. Should it?

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