Open 811 - Lovers and Losers (New Game+) [Game Over]

[RationalMadman]

Tbone, Klick and Bambi. This is one team I suspect.

Kerset, Bingle and Llama is the other.

Of course this depends on many factors and relies on bussing not happening (but that is how to default reads, you don't default-read a bus).

If Vex is scum, I reckon it's with Klick and Tbone and there's not bussing occuring.

If Bambi is scum, it is actually possible a bus is happening vs Kerset, however I render that low probability and would always suspect Klick and Tbone over Kerset. The reason I think it may be a bus is dependent actually on how things play out from here to the end of DP1.

[Vex Vience]

gun to head - who do you want dead more and why?

[Vex Vience]

ig a better phrasing is which pair do you think is more likely to flip scum?

[RationalMadman]

Kerset and Bingle because I really think Bingle slipped saying Mason Thread and in general is being far more AtE than last game.

This ignores everything scummy about Klick and Tbone as well as that Kerset is towntelling in later posts.

[Kerset]

hey vex got a minute?

[Vex Vience]

i have to go back to work in like three but yea, what is it?

[Kerset]

do you have rainbow list atm?

[Bingle]

also jingle, do you really expect that much reasoning from an early townread?

You're scumreading me for not having talked reads in the pt. You're townreading TBone for not having talked reads in the pt but for having shut down an offtopic conversation because clearly he wanted to talk about game relevant topics in the limited time he had, despite Klick's summation showing literally 0 desire on his part to, y'know, talk about reads in the PT.

I am outright telling you that I don't think talking about reads in the PT matters in the slightest, and you KNOW I don't lie about mafia theory.

RM is scumreading me for referring to a PT in a mechanically accurate manner.

Klick is scumreading me because my lover, who apparently has been holding a grudge against me for more than a year, is low efforting.

I could go on, but really, why bother.

My best guess would be TBone/Klick and LF. I have nearly 0 confidence in that solve. I also kind of don't give a fuck anymore.

[Vex Vience]

no, but this is what it would be atm
{me, rm}
{ana}
{klick, tbone, llama, bambi} - null
{kerset}
{bingle}

[Vex Vience]

time to go back to work, will reply when we slow down or after

[Kerset]

Why did you keep updated rainbowlist in your PT on previous iteration but not in this one?

Pedit oh

[RationalMadman]

Why did you keep updated rainbowlist in your PT on previous iteration but not in this one?

Pedit oh

I didn't know we were allowed to refer to it since it went private again.

[Kerset]

Did it? I just checked and it was public

[RationalMadman]

Where

[Kerset]

viewtopic.php?f=90&t=86536

[RationalMadman]

You are right, it is still there. I got completely confused. I had assumed that what the 811s were were my previous and this.

I only noticed it the first time because it had unread.

[RationalMadman]

I jow see there are three not two

[RationalMadman]

Also the mod told me that things aren't being released until there's consent after redactions, so I assumed Vex's was being oulled from view and haven't looked back since, however I did look once and that time I confused myself assuming there were two, I have also read other PTs makimg it more confusing to me.

[Vex Vience]

Why did you keep updated rainbowlist in your PT on previous iteration but not in this one?

Pedit oh

because i’ve been at work and haven’t had time to make one yet

[Bambi Jay]

First real vote. Sorry Ana. Though rereading Tbone and Klick made me realize

we

got the same wavelength with them mostly.

What do you mean by 'we'?

The sentence implies in itself that it's Tbone and Klick. Klick said earlier he thought the scumteam was KersetBingleVex. I agreed with that without quotes.

Do you really gotta nitpick the little things like that?

[Kerset]

Of the singles I wanted to trust Vex more but they're just... Well I think starting this game with bad blood with Ration wasn't the best idea unless it was a nice diversion tactic. I joked on it but I also tried to stay neutral in reading him. Because it seems literally the same way Ration acted before I assume this is his default town state. I want more from Anastasia but until then I'll accept that's town lover?

Then why are you not establishing it based on lama?

Though rereading Tbone and Klick made me realize we got the same wavelength with them mostly.

Tbone and Klick are actually being proactive AND townie.

Quotes please

[Bambi Jay]

Llama hasn't given me enough yet to work on so basing it off of Bingle and Vex is good enough for me now.

[Kerset]

Do you mean on Vex alone?

Ok, so:
Me/Bambi/Llama - VT
Ana/Rm, Tbone/Klick, Kerset/Bingle - lovers

Loner pool is you, vex and llama. Bingle is in other pool.

[Bambi Jay]

So? I'm seeing the connections between the 2 sets. I'm basing it off of their interactions.

[LlamaFluff]

Feel like im replacing into this game... but now ive had some time to read so on a quick one some things that stand out.

Town

Ana+RM (both of them, Ana a bit more though)

As previously mentioned by their summary, I think Ana being "afraid" of me is more indicative of town who is afraid of being able to read me than it is scum being afraid of my ability to catch scum. Those are two entirely independent skillsets. Additionally RM seeming to like aiming at VTs is a point in their favor as their pair is seen as the most town of the lover sets. If they wanted to steer things to lovers, they nearly for sure live through today, and are in a good spot to live through the next day winning them the game flat out.

Kerset (by themselves)

I completely buy the whole "PT talk" thing from them and no matter their alignment, I dont see this being faked. There are players who I would talk far less to (and even some I would refuse to play with) that would impact pregame discussions. It also is 100% in line with how they had little to no real will to talk any sort of game last time. They also feel a bit more serious this time.

Nulls

T-Bone, Bingle

Lean Scum

Klick (by themselves)

I really dislike that just now he is claiming to have realized how hard this setup is for town. Granted I noticed it before the game even started the first time, but when the game was in progress it became more apparent pretty quickly. That was me as scum realizing that. Now no idea if I would have seen it as town, but that makes me uncomfortable. Same thing with him talking about how I am playing differently, and then entirely ignoring my response of its a null tell.

Scum

Bambi

This one is a little confusing. He isnt reading at the start of the game for one, but apart from that they are being passive to a point where it seems intentional that as long as they are going to be left alone that they are fine with whatever happens. Look at their discussion regarding lovers where they seem to show will to move in that direction, but also are willing to cede all control over to what other people want. That feels like scum who is willing to go with the flow if they arent upset with the direction of it. Vex interaction is very disjointed as well. Calls Vex town on meta, and then seems to say that they would be voting Vex without the meta? Its another hedge of bets. If I was strongly townreading any of the VT claims (spoiler alert on who is next on this list, im not), my vote would be almost locked in.

Vex

Granted now im playing from a town perspective so my "they are getting town read, lets just agree and reposition" isnt going to be the same, but it feels like Vex is getting caught up in trying to say that pre-game talk is the be all, end all. While I think its important, I dont think its going to change much for too many players depending on what their alignments are. Like town or scum, I would be super talkative in trying to line things up. Some other players (Kerse seems to be a good bet) probably wouldnt talk much game. Seeming to take a playstyle tell as a scumtell really bothers me. I do not at all believe that pair is lying about what was discussed (or theoretically discussed), if your lover isnt talking back what is the most Jingle can do? Aggressively info dump?

Its annoying that my two strongest scum reads are not in different pools. Feel very confident though that its exactly one of "Vex or Kers/Bingle" though. Will try and get a little more situated over the weekend (full catchup probably Sunday after getting shot #2) but im heavily leaning to a Vex vote right now.