Open 812 Guardians of the Fortress - Game Over

[absinthe]

This is interesting because it's positing a decision between me vs Anastasia as the IC as opposed to Briar. TMI?

My thinking was that Anastasia was likely to vote for something_smart while I wasn't sure what the intention of swapping you in would be

The TMI was in not considering that town-Briar was a likely swap given she was basically a UTR.

(hollow laugh regarding anastasia's worries about MY ability to be townread as scum)

[Dunnstral]

I mean if it's WIFOM either way then what makes it masterclass distancing but just regular scum play if it's S -> T

I really don't understand that. Like yes it was good scum play by her and yes it was probably excessive, but why was it more excessive/more risky if catboi is scum? If anything it seems like it makes MORE sense S/S because they're trying to make interactions that look genuine... but ultimately yes it is WIFOM.

Assuming you're town, then you're looking at that interaction knowing that catboi is scum.

I can't do that. I have to look at it from both perspectives. It didn't ring false when I read it originally -- it read like real thoughts she was having about his play. Looking at it from the now-perspective, I know it's false from her side, but it still doesn't spew catboi as either alignment to me.

Thanks for your case. I've read it and I'm cogitating.

Catboi wanted the keep flipped first.

[unwnd]

Dunn I don't remember you giving many specific reads at all honestly

Why are you trying to champion being right on Briar, and if that's the case

Why did you just let what happened, happen

You could've gone Keep?

[absinthe]

I mean if it's WIFOM either way then what makes it masterclass distancing but just regular scum play if it's S -> T

I really don't understand that. Like yes it was good scum play by her and yes it was probably excessive, but why was it more excessive/more risky if catboi is scum? If anything it seems like it makes MORE sense S/S because they're trying to make interactions that look genuine... but ultimately yes it is WIFOM.

Assuming you're town, then you're looking at that interaction knowing that catboi is scum.

I can't do that. I have to look at it from both perspectives. It didn't ring false when I read it originally -- it read like real thoughts she was having about his play. Looking at it from the now-perspective, I know it's false from her side, but it still doesn't spew catboi as either alignment to me.

Thanks for your case. I've read it and I'm cogitating.

Catboi wanted the keep flipped first.

He did. and?

[Dunnstral]

How's this for a towntell

If I'm scum then we had six options and this seems like the literal worst one. Not only would we have chosen me over Infinity to try to carry the Gate, but we would have picked the IC to be someone who has demolished scum-me before and whose towngame I respect immensely. I don't know who Briar and Ana are but I highly doubt that I would be more scared of them as scum than I would be of ffery.

Here is what I was working with when I asked about Ana being swapped

S_S was saying they wouldn't have picked Absinthe to be swapped

[Dunnstral]

And briar is somebody who I believed would listen to other people as well, rather than make a personal call

[Dunnstral]

I mean if it's WIFOM either way then what makes it masterclass distancing but just regular scum play if it's S -> T

I really don't understand that. Like yes it was good scum play by her and yes it was probably excessive, but why was it more excessive/more risky if catboi is scum? If anything it seems like it makes MORE sense S/S because they're trying to make interactions that look genuine... but ultimately yes it is WIFOM.

Assuming you're town, then you're looking at that interaction knowing that catboi is scum.

I can't do that. I have to look at it from both perspectives. It didn't ring false when I read it originally -- it read like real thoughts she was having about his play. Looking at it from the now-perspective, I know it's false from her side, but it still doesn't spew catboi as either alignment to me.

Thanks for your case. I've read it and I'm cogitating.

Catboi wanted the keep flipped first.

He did. and?

So you're putting too much faith in briar-catboi interactions not looking scum aligned when he could have been banking on that

[Dunnstral]

Dunn I don't remember you giving many specific reads at all honestly

Why are you trying to champion being right on Briar, and if that's the case

Why did you just let what happened, happen

You could've gone Keep?

What are you talking about?

[unwnd]

Keep wasn't locked in before you voted right? Isn't that why Infinity got dumped there?

[unwnd]

There's nothing in the rules that implies that scum couldn't have two people preemptively in a minigame and [i[then[/i] switch overnight. I promised not to go too far into this but

I think they were afraid of making sudden movements, and I still can't really conclude the reason why you went wall

[Dunnstral]

I've talked extensively about why I picked why to go into the wall

[Dunnstral]

Are you mixing up the keep and the gate?

[unwnd]

I don't think the decision was yours if you're scum though, so that reason is invalid. You came in here to claim some sort of 'oh I knew all along' when it came to Briar, and then when I asked why you didn't just go to the Keep you couldn't say anything.

[unwnd]

Are you mixing up the keep and the gate?

No? I don't think so. Keep is third and had an open spot didn't it?

[Dunnstral]

Which means that townies shouldn't yeet themselves into the keep right now as it can make a sort of easy win turn much harder

I didn't fully trust ana and expected briar to be swapped out, and wouldn't know who to vote for (other than myself, which I'd suspect others would be unlikely to vote for if I jumped into the keep)

[Something_Smart]

Keep wasn't locked in before you voted right? Isn't that why Infinity got dumped there?

O.o

[Dunnstral]

Not going to accept that as a townslip.

[Something_Smart]

But I DID accept your townslip...

[Something_Smart]

Though I do think unwnd is more likely to slip that way as scum than Dunn?

unwnd how hands-on are you usually in decisions as scum

[absinthe]

I mean if it's WIFOM either way then what makes it masterclass distancing but just regular scum play if it's S -> T

I really don't understand that. Like yes it was good scum play by her and yes it was probably excessive, but why was it more excessive/more risky if catboi is scum? If anything it seems like it makes MORE sense S/S because they're trying to make interactions that look genuine... but ultimately yes it is WIFOM.

Assuming you're town, then you're looking at that interaction knowing that catboi is scum.

I can't do that. I have to look at it from both perspectives. It didn't ring false when I read it originally -- it read like real thoughts she was having about his play. Looking at it from the now-perspective, I know it's false from her side, but it still doesn't spew catboi as either alignment to me.

Thanks for your case. I've read it and I'm cogitating.

Catboi wanted the keep flipped first.

He did. and?

So you're putting too much faith in briar-catboi interactions not looking scum aligned when he could have been banking on that

How does that follow from Catboi wanting the keep flipped first.

[Dunnstral]

I mean if it's WIFOM either way then what makes it masterclass distancing but just regular scum play if it's S -> T

I really don't understand that. Like yes it was good scum play by her and yes it was probably excessive, but why was it more excessive/more risky if catboi is scum? If anything it seems like it makes MORE sense S/S because they're trying to make interactions that look genuine... but ultimately yes it is WIFOM.

Assuming you're town, then you're looking at that interaction knowing that catboi is scum.

I can't do that. I have to look at it from both perspectives. It didn't ring false when I read it originally -- it read like real thoughts she was having about his play. Looking at it from the now-perspective, I know it's false from her side, but it still doesn't spew catboi as either alignment to me.

Thanks for your case. I've read it and I'm cogitating.

Catboi wanted the keep flipped first.

He did. and?

So you're putting too much faith in briar-catboi interactions not looking scum aligned when he could have been banking on that

How does that follow from Catboi wanting the keep flipped first.

It reveals briar as scum so you then look at her iso first

[absinthe]

I mean if it's WIFOM either way then what makes it masterclass distancing but just regular scum play if it's S -> T

I really don't understand that. Like yes it was good scum play by her and yes it was probably excessive, but why was it more excessive/more risky if catboi is scum? If anything it seems like it makes MORE sense S/S because they're trying to make interactions that look genuine... but ultimately yes it is WIFOM.

Assuming you're town, then you're looking at that interaction knowing that catboi is scum.

I can't do that. I have to look at it from both perspectives. It didn't ring false when I read it originally -- it read like real thoughts she was having about his play. Looking at it from the now-perspective, I know it's false from her side, but it still doesn't spew catboi as either alignment to me.

Thanks for your case. I've read it and I'm cogitating.

Catboi wanted the keep flipped first.

He did. and?

So you're putting too much faith in briar-catboi interactions not looking scum aligned when he could have been banking on that

How does that follow from Catboi wanting the keep flipped first.

It reveals briar as scum so you then look at her iso first

I am looking at interactions with her, for the most part. If I knew her playstyle better, I'd be more willing to dive into her iso and try to make something of her own posts. But, I don't. So I'm more interested in how other players interacted with known scum. And I'm feeling very "there but for the devices of scum, go I", in that if I weren't IC'd I am pretty sure that people could rake through my interactions with Briar and find some ah has.

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I'm probably keeping my cards a little too close to my vest right now, but I'm very much in data acquisition mode.

[unwnd]

Though I do think unwnd is more likely to slip that way as scum than Dunn?

unwnd how hands-on are you usually in decisions as scum

I'm not sure what you're asking me?

[Something_Smart]

How much would you have tried to help your scumteam decide what actions to take? (in this case, it would be who to swap and who to confirm as town)

[unwnd]

No, I try to be more inquisitive when it comes to how we would treat the other players outside of mechanics.