Open 811 - Lovers and Losers (New Game+) [Game Over]

[yessiree]

VC 1.4

With 9 votes, it takes 5 to eliminate

T-Bone (2)

- Kerset, Bingle

Vex Vience (2)

- LlamaFluff, Bambi Jay

Bingle (1)

- Vex Vience

Kerset (1)

- Klick

Bambi Jay (1)

- RationalMadman

Note Voting - T-Bone, Anastasia

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-05-23 22:00:00)

[Kerset]

The thing that i dislike in Bambi is her opportunistic nature and the fact that she couldn't back up her reads when asked. There was not actual thought behind her statement, which suggest that she pick it out of calculation rather then develop.

[Kerset]

btw the fact that someone flipped town doesn't make them smarter and they are as uninformed as before the flip, so the idea of vengeful is silly

[yessiree]

VC

[Klick]

btw the fact that someone flipped town doesn't make them smarter and they are as uninformed as before the flip, so the idea of vengeful is silly

The reason you'd do this isn't because you think they're smarter, it's because 1 Town player deciding the vote is better than 4-5 Town and 3 Scum deciding the vote via majority.

[Klick]

Also I am currently Very Ill. I will weigh in where/when I feel capable but don't expect a ton. If anyone wants to ask really specific directed questions I can probably vibe with that.

[yessiree]

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[Kerset]

our mod broke

[Kerset]

I will try to restart him
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[RationalMadman]

It is sad that Ana is barely contributing now, I would want to see which pair she suspects more and why (not just this Kerset roleplay).

I'm not voting Vex this day phase, it's not a bandwagon I will be participating in so if nobody else will vote Bambi, I will consider that the pair Ana suspects is worth voting as it's a vote from someone that's 100% Town to me.

Right now there's many contingency-reads to be having depending whether or not scum is voting or Town is voting. I don't townread Klick and Tbone at all but I also scumread Bingle very mucj, this game and the quality of questions Bingle is asking are weak/low compared to last game. The appealing to emotions screams scum to me, especially from such an experienced player.

Kerset is actually the Towniest lover in my eyes which is a mind-torturing contradiction for me since Bingle is the scummiest. This is why I am interested to see who the vanillas all three vote (including Llama) and then interpolate their flip into reading and estimating the pairs.

Bambi has clashed least with Klick and Tbone.
Llama has said he townreads Ana and I, then proceeded to allude to something saying no matter what alignment I am, to drop a subject (strange way to phrase it).
Vex has clashed most with Bingle and Kerset, least with Klick and Tbone and medium with myself (Ana I don't see a significant clash with from Vex and they've townread Ana and myself despite the clashes).


Naturally, I am already naturally suspicious of Bambi for this especially as the basis of her reads and clashes seem shallow.

Within the lovers, a lot depends on which vanillas are Town or Scum as then certain interactions can properly be read into vs being theatre or Scum baiting a reaction from Town and vice versa.

[RationalMadman]

Llama could equally be with either of the other pairs tbh, I slightly think Llama with Kerset and Bingleakes more sense because of other interactions and the gap they leave. Kerset and Bingle have effectively clashed with bith vanillas except Llama.

[Kerset]

RM i have strange feeling that you like be because i didnt make fun of your thoughts like others did. Are you vulnerable to pocketing?

[RationalMadman]

RM i have strange feeling that you like be because i didnt make fun of your thoughts like others did. Are you vulnerable to pocketing?

Everyone is vulnerable to pocketing because those that try their best not to be are vulnerable to townread being treated harsh and/or indifferent.

As for why I townread you, it's because if your reply to Bambi asking about quotes regarding klick and tbone, which never got answered and that you've consistently acted pro-inquisitive. Whether or not I'm also manipulated by your lack of resistance to me, it remains.

Last game I had someone after me over nothing that I scumread hard for it, you weren't fighting me hard and I lmew your pair were going to ve a significant swingvote so I was pocketed by you out of necessity for me to pocket you if I wanted Vex and Bambi eliminated. Sometimes pocketing works both ways. This game, I have very little need to rely on you to avoid being eliminated since many townread my lover pair, therefore there's less motive to need to care and reward you being nice to me.

It's stupid to try and never be pocketed, if you can't reward people for not going after you, you'll instead need to cower to those who are or get eliminated and the latter is far less strategic regardless of alignment.

I actually find it odd that you did not defend Bingle when I said he called it a mason thread because it seemed like you didn't want to do it so that it avoids you looking like you're overly buddying your own partner (which wouldn't be something to worry about as Town lover) but it also may be because you didn't care about it since you were confident others and Bingle would shut me down, which is pragmatic regardless of your alignment. You have done much more than any other lover pair than my own toward progress in the game, which has primarily been led by Vex, yourself and me. So, I townread that.

[Vex Vience]

if bambi's playstyle is what i think it is, i don't really care, since i know i'll be able to read them.

I don't like how confident you are in yourself. You should be more caution.

several things:
1) i'm always confident in myself when i play mafia. that's just my personality.
2) why wouldn't i be confident in my ability to read a player who is very similar to me, in terms of playstyle?
3) what the actual fuck is this post?

[Vex Vience]

as an addendum to that as well:
@kerset, please explain to me why i wouldn't want to look confident in myself, in a game all about persuading others you are not trying to deceive them.

[RationalMadman]

as an addendum to that as well:
@kerset, please explain to me why i wouldn't want to look confident in myself, in a game all about persuading others you are not trying to deceive them.

Arrogance is a playstyle trait but by no means an automatically optimal one. I would kniw.

[Kerset]

if bambi's playstyle is what i think it is, i don't really care, since i know i'll be able to read them.

I don't like how confident you are in yourself. You should be more caution.

several things:
1) i'm always confident in myself when i play mafia. that's just my personality.
2) why wouldn't i be confident in my ability to read a player who is very similar to me, in terms of playstyle?
3) what the actual fuck is this post?

2)bc last time you were wrong. Usually people lower their certainty after mistake and try to consult other people. You keep arguing and force your ideas on them.
3)honesty/self awareness check

[Vex Vience]

ok, but this game you have done *nothing* to make me reconsider my position on you and bingle, and i know you’re not a player who’s just gonna look scummy regardless

[Vex Vience]

also last game i was correct bambi was town, hence the “i can read a player who is very similar to me”

[RationalMadman]

also last game i was correct bambi was town, hence the “i can read a player who is very similar to me”

Is this a joke? LOL Bambi was your Lover.

[Vex Vience]

i prefer the term “play stupid game win stupid prize” because kerset clearly missed the fact i was lovers with bambi, which is why i’m certain i can read them

[Vex Vience]

now that i’ve gotten home, i actually see that kerset was replying specifically to my ability to read someone who’s playstyle is similar to mine. i still don’t know how you misread *that* badly

[RationalMadman]

now that i’ve gotten home, i actually see that kerset was replying specifically to my ability to read someone who’s playstyle is similar to mine. i still don’t know how you misread *that* badly

I didn't misread that badly, I asked if you were joking to which you replied in a condescending manner so I wonder which of us read the other's tone badly.

[Bambi Jay]

To be fair Rational, your track record isn't helping your case in the misread department.

[RationalMadman]

Nice slip, you admitted you know I am Town this game but therefore my read is correct.